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#1 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDjW8WUiTQ

After watching this trailer, I am convinced of it, especially since the Zelda series has been going on a decline since Twilight Princess.

Also, before anyone says "its not a zelda clone anymore, compare it to Diablo" or anything along those lines, just realize that we are comparing too similar style games. Both are adventure games, and both have puzzles. Darksiders 2 seems to have more with loot, customization, prince of persia esque gameplay and deeper combat, but lets ignore that for now and simply look at the games as a whole.

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#2 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3227 posts) -

...No. Zelda games and Darksiders are for different people. The idea that Darksiders was somehow going to replace Zelda only came from the people who thought Zelda needed to become darker, more gritty and violent, and 'grow up'. People with their heads lodged firmly in their asses, in other words.

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#3 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@Make_Me_Mad said:

...No. Zelda games and Darksiders are for different people. The idea that Darksiders was somehow going to replace Zelda only came from the people who thought Zelda needed to become darker, more gritty and violent, and 'grow up'. People with their heads lodged firmly in their asses, in other words.

what do you mean by 'are for different people'?

I have played and been drawn to both Zelda and Darksiders, so I am not getting your point.

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#4 Posted by JasonR86 (10178 posts) -

Nope. It won't be.

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#5 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4748 posts) -

Unlikely. For me anyways. I much prefer Skyward Sword to Darksiders and Skyward Sword has it share of issues.

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#6 Posted by Video_Game_King (36564 posts) -

@GlutenBob said:

what do you mean by 'are for different people'?

I have played and been drawn to both Zelda and Darksiders, so I am not getting your point.

The two games are aiming for different audiences. That you are in both does not change this.

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#7 Posted by Make_Me_Mad (3227 posts) -

@GlutenBob said:

@Make_Me_Mad said:

...No. Zelda games and Darksiders are for different people. The idea that Darksiders was somehow going to replace Zelda only came from the people who thought Zelda needed to become darker, more gritty and violent, and 'grow up'. People with their heads lodged firmly in their asses, in other words.

what do you mean by 'are for different people'?

I have played and been drawn to both Zelda and Darksiders, so I am not getting your point.

The two games are aimed at different audiences. Darksiders filled the niche that existed for the angry kids who wanted a 'Dark' Zelda game, and also happened to be a pretty good game on its own merits. One of them isn't going to swallow the other and reign supreme, because people don't go to either of them for what the other offers. They're only becoming more different with this latest iteration of Darksiders, and the only person I can imagine who still thinks there's some competition between the two series is someone who has no idea what they're talking about.

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#8 Posted by GunslingerPanda (5164 posts) -

I'm a Zelda fan but I'm okay with this; Zelda has gone in the complete wrong direction with all the motion control crap. Though I hear Darksiders 2 has also gone in a different direction, but I've been avoiding coverage for fear of spoilers.

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#9 Edited by S0ndor (2717 posts) -

It will be awesome, but no.

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#10 Posted by TehFlan (1954 posts) -

I liked Skyward sword more than Darksiders. Obviously I haven't played Darksiders II yet, but it seems like the two series are going for pretty different things, and I think there's more than enough room in the market for them both to exist, especially considering Nintendo only releases a couple of Zelda games per platform.

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#11 Posted by Brodehouse (10827 posts) -

This premise also suggests that the Simpsons or Adult Swim act in direct competition to Disney or Saturday morning cartoons on account that they're both animated. They're for different age groups. Darksiders isn't taking any sales away from Zelda (or at least, not a statistically meaningful amount). People who bought Darksiders either were or were not going to purchase Zelda anyways, it's an extreme minority who went "well I was gonna buy Zelda but after playing Darksiders I don't want to". It's merely supplying a Zelda-like experience to a demographic that maybe is or isn't interested in pure Zelda anymore.

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#12 Posted by Rhaknar (6299 posts) -

I love these "X Game is a Y Killer" arguments, so informative and useful

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#13 Posted by C2C (899 posts) -
...especially since the Zelda series has been going on a decline since Twilight Princess.

Are we talking in terms of sales or review scores here? I thought the Zelda series was still doing fine on both metrics since Twilight Princess.

...we are comparing too similar style games. Both are adventure games, and both have puzzles. Darksiders 2 seems to have more with loot, customization, prince of persia esque gameplay and deeper combat, but lets ignore that for now and simply look at the games as a whole.

I disagree with your assumption that both have the same style even if we ignore what you said (even though we really shouldn't). The very nature of the art style and storytelling from both games make them go to different audiences. Darksiders is catered to a mature crowd whereas Zelda games lean more towards a younger audiences. Mechanically speaking there are similarities, but it seems to me that the way the Zelda series have always been little bit on the simpler/easy side of things compared to what I have seen in Darksiders (correct me if I am wrong here, I havent played any Darksiders games). I think it more apples to oranges than your making it seem.

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#14 Posted by betterboulder (200 posts) -

Despite the fact that I already preordered DS2, it has not replaced Zelda in my life

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#15 Posted by _Zombie_ (1483 posts) -

@Rhaknar said:

I love these "X Game is a Y Killer" arguments, so informative and useful

Since when were informative and useful synonyms for pointless and annoying?

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#16 Posted by Floope (209 posts) -

YO ZELDA IS DUN FOR.

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#17 Posted by Hunter5024 (6702 posts) -

Zelda is going down guys. That thq game is totally going to topple one of Nintendo's 3 most successful franchises.

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#18 Posted by Hailinel (25787 posts) -

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh man, that's a good one. Darksiders a Zelda killer. Yeah, right.

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#19 Posted by TaliciaDragonsong (8734 posts) -

Its doing a lot of things I wanted Zelda to do but I'm glad they didn't and I can appreciate two amazing games like this.
 
One thrives on the darkness, the other on fantasy, they're way too different to be compared.

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#20 Posted by BeachThunder (14579 posts) -

Can't wait for Borderlands 2; it looks like a great Doom clone!

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#21 Posted by Grimmy616 (437 posts) -

Don't like Zelda. Like Darksiders. Weeeee

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#22 Posted by LiquidSwords (2728 posts) -

Full retard thread.

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#23 Posted by The_Laughing_Man (13807 posts) -
@GlutenBob said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEDjW8WUiTQ

After watching this trailer, I am convinced of it, especially since the Zelda series has been going on a decline since Twilight Princess.

Also, before anyone says "its not a zelda clone anymore, compare it to Diablo" or anything along those lines, just realize that we are comparing too similar style games. Both are adventure games, and both have puzzles. Darksiders 2 seems to have more with loot, customization, prince of persia esque gameplay and deeper combat, but lets ignore that for now and simply look at the games as a whole.

You cant "Kill" something that is part of the foundation of gaming. These two games are aimed at different audiences. So no. It wont kill anything...except for the demons and maybe some angels. 
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#24 Posted by GERALTITUDE (5719 posts) -

Zelda killed itself.

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#25 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@GERALTITUDE said:

Zelda killed itself.

Well that could possibly be accurate. I calculate a 95% probablity that this statement is true.

Fi and her percentage evaluations killed Skyward Sword for me. Well the controls and other stuff didn't help either.

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#26 Posted by deactivated-589cf9e3c287e (1984 posts) -

Don't be silly, Zelda games are forever money.

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#27 Posted by CaLe (4755 posts) -

At least I can finish a Darksiders game. I've started numerous Zelda games and never finished any of them. Too boring, so yeah Darksiders > Zelda.

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#28 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1869 posts) -

Even if it turned out to be a better game than Skyward Sword (and other games in the series), in what sense would Zelda be "killed" by it? Highlanderism ("there can be only one!") is stupid.

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#29 Posted by TechnoSyndrome (1342 posts) -

I don't really get all the Skyward Sword hate. It wasn't perfect, but I still really enjoyed it. Now Twilight Princess on the other hand, THERE'S a real piece of shit game.

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#30 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@Taku128 said:

I don't really get all the Skyward Sword hate. It wasn't perfect, but I still really enjoyed it. Now Twilight Princess on the other hand, THERE'S a real piece of shit game.

wha????

I loved TP and dislike SS. Skyward Swords controls, Fi and overall kiddish theme really killed it for me. I mean Wind Waker was pretty kiddish too, but Skyward Sword took it to a whole another level.

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#31 Posted by ZeForgotten (10368 posts) -

Nope

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#32 Posted by CrossTheAtlantic (1154 posts) -

I would be way more interested in Darksiders if they kept everything but the plot/set dressing. It's "dark" and takes itself way too seriously. The mechanics, game play, and everything else behind it are great, but I'd like them more in another game, I think.

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#33 Posted by Marz (6017 posts) -

I'd say Darksiders 2 is evolving into something else. I wouldn't even say it's a Zelda type of game anymore.

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#34 Posted by TechnoSyndrome (1342 posts) -

@GlutenBob said:

@Taku128 said:

I don't really get all the Skyward Sword hate. It wasn't perfect, but I still really enjoyed it. Now Twilight Princess on the other hand, THERE'S a real piece of shit game.

wha????

I loved TP and dislike SS. Skyward Swords controls, Fi and overall kiddish theme really killed it for me. I mean Wind Waker was pretty kiddish too, but Skyward Sword took it to a whole another level.

Twilight Princess was a 20 hour long chore. The four hour tutorial town sucked, the dungeons sucked, the combat sucked, playing as the wolf sucked, hunting for light tears sucked, the entire game just... sucked. Also Wind Waker's artstyle was fantastic.

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#35 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@Taku128 said:

@GlutenBob said:

@Taku128 said:

I don't really get all the Skyward Sword hate. It wasn't perfect, but I still really enjoyed it. Now Twilight Princess on the other hand, THERE'S a real piece of shit game.

wha????

I loved TP and dislike SS. Skyward Swords controls, Fi and overall kiddish theme really killed it for me. I mean Wind Waker was pretty kiddish too, but Skyward Sword took it to a whole another level.

Twilight Princess was a 20 hour long chore. The four hour tutorial town sucked, the dungeons sucked, the combat sucked, playing as the wolf sucked, hunting for light tears sucked, the entire game just... sucked. Also Wind Waker's artstyle was fantastic.

I agree about Wind Wakers artstyle. I would have liked SS artstyle but it was a blurry mess. I cannot support something with such bad graphics.

WW on the other hand, was eye candy.

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#36 Posted by Phatmac (5930 posts) -

I hope not. Modern Zelda games kinda suck so I hope Darksiders 2 elevates from previous Zelda games.

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#37 Posted by LordAndrew (14601 posts) -

Didn't Ōkami already kill Zelda?

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#38 Posted by DrDarkStryfe (2080 posts) -

People are in for a rude awakening if they think that Darksiders II is going to set the sales charts on fire.

These game killer arguments make no sense, there are so many games that take from other games nowadays.

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#39 Edited by Seppli (11232 posts) -

A long time ago, I started a very prophetic thread about Darksiders 2 - and it tailspinned quickly out of control... glad to see the tenor somewhat changed on the franchise, but overall, expect a similar shitstorm...
 
http://www.giantbomb.com/darksiders/61-20991/darksiders-2-the-perfect-launch-game-for-the-next-generation/35-382240/#111
 
So - I'm going to dig in on this shit-tastic blast from the past. Let's see what we've got here.
 
Edit: Good lord. My typos and the attitude. What fucked up energy. Nontheless - Darksiders 2 represent! A fucked up fight worth fighting t'was.

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#40 Posted by BraveToaster (12636 posts) -

Yes, because the industry isn't big enough for both franchises. /sarcasm

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#41 Posted by jacksukeru (6563 posts) -

I tried to get into Darksiders twice by playing the demo, no luck though. The sequel still interest me, if for no other reason than that it seems to have a lot of shit in it.

As for Zelda, I...liked Skyward Sword to a point, I've just lost all interest in the universe. The ending to Skyward Sword basically confirmed that it has been set up as an endless cycle, there will be no finality, no final battle, the games will just go on the same forever. An evil is resurrected, a hero defeats said evil, no one will ever be aware of the bigger picture. There's just nothing there for me to get invested in.

So yeah, I feel like SS was probably my last Zelda unless they really change it up, that's fine, I've simply grown out of it.

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#42 Edited by Ravenlight (8057 posts) -

@c0l0nelp0c0rn1 said:

Don't be silly, Zelda games are forever money.

Apt observation. Nintendo could release the original Legend of Zelda over and over, ad infinitum on every new device, forever and still make bank. Hardcore Zelda fans* don't want a new direction (or even innovation, it seems like sometimes), they just want more Zelda.

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*No, I'm not referring to you, don't be so self-centered.**

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**That doesn't play the same way I wanted it to after quoting c0lp0p. Let's pretend that this never happened...

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#43 Posted by Hunkulese (4013 posts) -
@GlutenBob What if there are some people who *gasp* play them both?
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#44 Posted by Dagbiker (7041 posts) -

Zelda has been on the decline since, one game ago?

One game is not a trend.

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#45 Edited by Cloudenvy (5893 posts) -

Unless they've gotten way better at designing dungeons, it won't even be close to competing with it.

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#46 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@Hunkulese said:

@GlutenBob What if there are some people who *gasp* play them both?

There could be. I am one of them. I just think that Darksiders 2 will be superior to any of the zelda games this generation.

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#47 Posted by GlutenBob (183 posts) -

@Dagbiker said:

Zelda has been on the decline since, one game ago?

One game is not a trend.

since Twilight Princess there have been

2 DS and 1 Wii Zelda (if I remember correctly)

so thats 3 games.

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#48 Posted by flasaltine (2387 posts) -

Do you solve puzzle in Darksiders?

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#49 Posted by Jay444111 (2639 posts) -

The only thing I hated in Skyward Sword is that Link has to describe everything after you have already gotten it when you reload a save.

Oh and the fact that there wasn't enough people to talk to! I miss that dammit!

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#50 Posted by Video_Game_King (36564 posts) -

@Jay444111:

What about Fi? She was as annoying as Navi, but nowhere near as integral to the plot.