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#1  Edited By Kinarion

Noticed Giant Bomb received a mention in a recen t Destructoid editorial: 
 
  
  The article uses GB to make a point about differences in review scores between publications with IGN as low score and GB as a high score.  The choice of websites might just be arbitrary, but I figured I'd ask; does anyone know how GBs scores trend compared to other magazines and sites?
 
I usually only look at D-toid and GB for reviews because I'm not sure how useful numerical scores are and they both tend to give more thoughtful reviews.  That being said, I am a interested to know if one publication runs higher than most.

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#2  Edited By ieatlions

well its just standards for me an average could be a 65 while for some stranger average could be 75

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#3  Edited By Video_Game_King

There's already a thread for it. Sort of. Here.

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#4  Edited By Milkman

I posted this in a different thread already.

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#5  Edited By Kinarion

My bad, apparently can't delete threads, only posts.  Whoops.  Weird that it didn't come up on search.

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#6  Edited By Suicrat

Giant Bomb probably does trend higher than other sites, because they're willing to give 5 stars to games that they feel are awesome, even if other critics are all-too-ready to point out the flaws. It's not Giant Bomb's fault their standards are different from the rest of the internet, it's Metacritic's fault for thinking that an aggregated percentage should include reviews in a 5-point scale.
 
I mean, imagine if I ran a game website, and my preferred method for rating games found its way to the metacritic system. All of a sudden, all of my reviews would either be at the top or the bottom of the list for every game I reviewed, because 1/1 is 100% and 0/1 is 0%.

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#7  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Suicrat: 
 
That's a screwed up system. Personally, I like the 10 point scale; practically, I like a 4 point scale, since it covers the four essential areas: Buy, rent, borrow, skip.
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#8  Edited By ryanwho
@Suicrat said:
" Giant Bomb probably does trend higher than other sites, because they're willing to give 5 stars to games that they feel are awesome, even if other critics are all-too-ready to point out the flaws. It's not Giant Bomb's fault their standards are different from the rest of the internet, it's Metacritic's fault for thinking that an aggregated percentage should include reviews in a 5-point scale.  I mean, imagine if I ran a game website, and my preferred method for rating games found its way to the metacritic system. All of a sudden, all of my reviews would either be at the top or the bottom of the list for every game I reviewed, because 1/1 is 100% and 0/1 is 0%. "
Not nessecarily. The person running the site has some arbitrary secret math bullshit behind the score conversion. There's a good chance your 0/1 score will convert to 57% or something. 
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#9  Edited By MysteriousBob

  I believe Giant Bomb acknowledges that these are afterall just opinions and the star rating isn't a representation of the game's quality, but rather an indication of how likely you are to enjoy it. It makes much more sense as its more qualitative while still being a set number thats easy to identify with. I find the notion of a straight score absurd.    

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#10  Edited By Suicrat
@Video_Game_King: Well, you'd be free not to frequent my video game website, Mr. King ;)
 
For me, the question that matters most is "Is this game worth playing?" And there are only two possible answers to that question, so a binary system works for my tastes.
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#11  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Suicrat: 
 
I ask the question "how much is this game worth playing", and a slidey scale works for me. Besides, it aligns well with a percent system, so it gives me a smug illusion of objectivity.
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#12  Edited By Kinarion
@MysteriousBob said:
"   I believe Giant Bomb acknowledges that these are afterall just opinions and the star rating isn't a representation of the game's quality, but rather an indication of how likely you are to enjoy it. It makes much more sense as its more qualitative while still being a set number thats easy to identify with. I find the notion of a straight score absurd.     "
Absolutely true, but not really the question I'm trying to ask.  My question is honestly just academic: does GB tend to score more highly than other sites.  Full stop.
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#13  Edited By nrain

The 5* system has worked fine for films forever, why not for games? 100 scales only exist for fanboy fuel.

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#14  Edited By Kinarion
@nrain said:
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The 5* system has worked fine for films forever, why not for games? 100 scales only exist for fanboy fuel.

"
Really trying to kill this hijack before it happens.  Not trying to start a discussion on the merits of review systems.
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#15  Edited By Metric_Outlaw
@nrain said:
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The 5* system has worked fine for films forever, why not for games? 100 scales only exist for fanboy fuel.

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A games a bigger commitment though. I'd prefer a more concise score. It costs me $7 to see a movie. It costs me $60 to play a game.
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#16  Edited By sjschmidt93
@ryanwho said:
" @Suicrat said:
" Giant Bomb probably does trend higher than other sites, because they're willing to give 5 stars to games that they feel are awesome, even if other critics are all-too-ready to point out the flaws. It's not Giant Bomb's fault their standards are different from the rest of the internet, it's Metacritic's fault for thinking that an aggregated percentage should include reviews in a 5-point scale.  I mean, imagine if I ran a game website, and my preferred method for rating games found its way to the metacritic system. All of a sudden, all of my reviews would either be at the top or the bottom of the list for every game I reviewed, because 1/1 is 100% and 0/1 is 0%. "
Not nessecarily. The person running the site has some arbitrary secret math bullshit behind the score conversion. There's a good chance your 0/1 score will convert to 57% or something.  "
He uses like adjectives or some bullshit.  
 
Like an A+ on 1UP is technically a perfect score, but I've A's being converted to 100 on Metacritic. 
 
Idiots.
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#17  Edited By Suicrat
@Video_Game_King: The answer to all the questions as to why the game is worth playing (or not) can be derived from reading the review text and/or watching the video review. Excessive granularity makes the review body worth less and less.
 
If I write a review that goes against the general consensus about a video game, I don't want you to look at my review score and let that be my only input in your purchase decision, if that's the method you will use, then my 1/0 system will dissuade the quantitative school of thought from referring to my criticism. Less granularity means more reason to actually read the review.
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#18  Edited By Red12b
@Kinarion said:
"Noticed Giant Bomb received a mention in a recen t Destructoid editorial:        The article uses GB to make a point about differences in review scores between publications with IGN as low score and GB as a high score.  The choice of websites might just be arbitrary, but I figured I'd ask; does anyone know how GBs scores trend compared to other magazines and sites?  I usually only look at D-toid and GB for reviews because I'm not sure how useful numerical scores are and they both tend to give more thoughtful reviews.  That being said, I am a interested to know if one publication runs higher than most. "
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#19  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Suicrat: 
 
Hmm, good point. Then again, I tend to use scores as a sort of "quick review system": let's say I don't have the time (or attention span (that's always a given)) to read a review. I look at the score, maybe the good/bad tab if there is one, weigh all the different factors at hand, and then get the game based on that. I agree, people should read the reviews, definitely, but I still think the review score should be there. Maybe work it into the review somewhere, and not always at the end, so they have to work for it. And spell it out, so they can't just glance over it.
 
(And what website is this you speak of in a previous post?)
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#20  Edited By Suicrat
@Video_Game_King: Well, I don't actually have a video game website. It was just a rhetorical device. Though, I must admit, I'm a hypocrite. I've given scores of less than 5 and more than 1 to the reviews I've uploaded to Giant Bomb :(
 
Can you ever forgive my lack of consistency?
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#21  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Suicrat: 
 
No; consistency is something I value greatly in my video games. Now then....* turns on battle music*...we must battle!
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#22  Edited By Suicrat
@Video_Game_King: Holy shit that is a badass tune.
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#23  Edited By Kinarion
@Video_Game_King said:

" @Suicrat:   Hmm, good point. Then again, I tend to use scores as a sort of "quick review system": let's say I don't have the time (or attention span (that's always a given)) to read a review. I look at the score, maybe the good/bad tab if there is one, weigh all the different factors at hand, and then get the game based on that. I agree, people should read the reviews, definitely, but I still think the review score should be there. Maybe work it into the review somewhere, and not always at the end, so they have to work for it. And spell it out, so they can't just glance over it.  (And what website is this you speak of in a previous post?) "

Please refer to OP.  I suspect you'll find many threads debating the pros and cons of review systems, but that isn't what this one is about.  
 
The question at hand: do some sites (eg. Giant Bomb) give reviews that are consistently more favorable than those of most other sites?
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#24  Edited By sweep  Moderator

Destructoid seems to enjoy coating everything in sarcasm. It doesn't work so well in print, and there are much more articulate ways of demonstrating humour in an article. Perhaps a casualty of the common misconception that people that enjoy playing games are journalistic equals to people who actually know how to write.

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#25  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Suicrat: 
 
From an equally awesome game. Find out why in my next blog! *sees gent walking by* Only $10 for a 'Round the World! You were saying?
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#26  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Kinarion: 
 
That I can't answer. It'd require sifting through every review, compiling scores, and running a bunch of calculations and graphs. Infeasible.
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#27  Edited By Kinarion
@Video_Game_King: Wrong.  I'm not asking about meta scores between publications, I'm asking about observable trends among reviews.
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#28  Edited By Suicrat
@Kinarion: Sorry for pulling the thread off topic, Kinarion. Back to the matter at hand, I think that because current review-aggregators convert non-percentage systems into percentages, someone needs to create an alternative aggregator (By the way, I think "Aggro-Gator" would be a kick-ass band name.)
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#29  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Kinarion: 
 
I'm aware, but isn't the aforementioned process a definitive way to notice such trends?
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#30  Edited By DRE7777

For some reason on the 10 or 100 scale a 5 or a 50 is not an average game which is kinda stupid. I really like GB philosiphy on the scoring games where 3 is average and each step either way is that much better or worse. If Game Informer, for example, gives a game a 6.25 or a 7.50, what does that really even mean. With the way GB does it, its much easier to quickly see their opinion on a game, and then if you want reasons why or more in depth explination you read the review. But in Game Informer its harder to get a good feel of the writers opinion with just a quick glance.
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#31  Edited By Video_Game_King
@DRE7777: 
 
I find that the 6-7 range for average makes perfect sense. Don't believe me? Check it out.
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#32  Edited By Kinarion
@Video_Game_King: Probably not (it would only work if you assume that all scores are compatible with another).
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#33  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Kinarion: 
 
For one site, or for a given set of sites with similar scoring system, yes, they'd be compatible; otherwise, you could probably go with percentages or something. If you go into other countries (Famitsu, old British PC magazines, etc.), then you're truly fucked.
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#34  Edited By Kinarion
@Video_Game_King: Well, unless you read.  The question is really meant for folks who frequent multiple review outlets and have some sense of each.
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#35  Edited By Video_Game_King
@Druminator: 
 
It's supposed to be satirical/sarcastic, if that helps.
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#36  Edited By Red

I don't think we need a topic every time Giant Bomb is mentioned in an outside outlet.

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#37  Edited By Kinarion
@Red: The mention of GB isn't the topic of conversation.
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#38  Edited By Red
@Kinarion: Then why not just stick to the first topic?
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#39  Edited By MattyFTM  Moderator
@Video_Game_King said:
" There's already a thread for it. Sort of. Here. "
Let's keep the discussion in that thread.