Giant Bomb should incorporate a Reputation system. Basically, it would work like this: If you see a really informative post, you should be able to give "Kudos" (or whatever you want to call it) to the poster. However, there's no such thing as giving a post a negative score. This system eliminates those who "negative" anyone they disagree with, and rewards those who are helpful and post intelligently.
Giant Bomb should incorporate a Reputation system
Well the only thing is we should come up with a different name then "Kudos", because that's the name Sony uses on their forums.
I don't like it when forums turn into popularity contests. Groups of people will vote for their friends and real informative or intelligent posts will be lost. Sony's official forums is a good example. Let reputation be something we learn by reading each others posts, not represented by some worthless number.
"I don't like it when forums turn into popularity contests. Groups of people will vote for their friends and real informative or intelligent posts will be lost. Sony's official forums is a good example. Let reputation be something we learn by reading each others posts, not represented by some worthless number."Uh, I see your point. I know that there a bunch of users that have quality posts, and one funny one is BiffMcBlumpkin. We all know that by now. I think JollyRajah's idea is still pretty sound, and the only thing we need to worry about is people obsessing over numbers, but I trust our user base and I think we can handle it.
Yeah, this here is the number fifteen person on the blacklist. You got a lot of rep to earn before you can run with him.
Well, thenDiamond said:
"I don't like it when forums turn into popularity contests. Groups of people will vote for their friends and real informative or intelligent posts will be lost. Sony's official forums is a good example. Let reputation be something we learn by reading each others posts, not represented by some worthless number."Well, then we'll scratch the profile idea, and we'll just have positives on good posts. If we eliminate the negatives, then trolls can't use it as a weapon.
Yay, something I support! However, I do think that there should be negative scores. How so? Moderations. 'Nuf said.
Well, then we'll scratch the profile idea, and we'll just have positives on good posts. If we eliminate the negatives, then trolls can't use it as a weapon.I think the reward should be a community that cares about things besides numbers, and hopefully we can even get past some of this 'rep' stuff and actually read what people type. If some trollish poster here posts something thoughtful or intelligent, he should be rewarded with interest and kind words. Personal typed out thanks are much more meaningful than a number.Either way, we need something that rewards users
"Yay, something I support! However, I do think that there should be negative scores. How so? Moderations. 'Nuf said."That's what flagging is for.
"Video_Game_King said:Then just combine that with whatever your idea is :P."Yay, something I support! However, I do think that there should be negative scores. How so? Moderations. 'Nuf said."That's what flagging is for."
"TheJollyRajah said:But how many people are actually going to take the time to type out their appreciation? Seems like a lot of people get on for a few minutes and then are gone. They dont have time to say "good job" to every post they think is well done.Well, then we'll scratch the profile idea, and we'll just have positives on good posts. If we eliminate the negatives, then trolls can't use it as a weapon.I think the reward should be a community that cares about things besides numbers, and hopefully we can even get past some of this 'rep' stuff and actually read what people type. If some trollish poster here posts something thoughtful or intelligent, he should be rewarded with interest and kind words. Personal typed out thanks are much more meaningful than a number."Either way, we need something that rewards users
A history lesson for you all, and some spoilers for others?
When the Community Ratings Tool aka the +/- tool was added to the site it was done under the assumption it would be an effective form of community moderation allowing users the ability to flag a topic after it recieved X number of negative votes into a queue for us Forum Mods to look over. For the first few days it worked out great, until you all abused the shit out of it and we eventually had it 'switched off' some time ago. It has been sitting their idle for a long long time while the Engineers and Mods thought up a better form of user moderation which we have now in the Karma System. This new and the old system were always originally designed to aid in moderation more than some form of online fistbumping to express your appreciation of a post or topic.
Even with it switched off as a form of flagging posts or topics for moderation the tool was still abused. How many legitimate posters received a flood of negative votes because they have a small reputation around the site? How often did legitimate topics of discussion turn into nothing more than a popularity contest? And how often did people show disappointment and resent when they see their topic or blog get a -20 rating within minutes of posting it.
Most of you I'm sure were law-abiding users and tried to use the tool for good. But a vast majority didn't really do this and a lot of the time it caused topics to turn into a popularity contest which is not something any of us want to see continue. I know a lot of you enjoyed seeing your posts or topics get the +1 treatment from other users, but the vast majority of them did not get this.
If you really want to express your appreciation of someone's topic or post then fire a comment to their wall or a PM to their inbox. That is a lot better than some anonymous +1 to their post or topic.
If you can accumulate that over time then won't it just divide members into the old elitists and the newcomers? I can already imagine people going "dude what r u talking about, get some kudos then come back again, noob" lol. And you can't really use it for anything unless you start RESEARCHING people, like what date they joined, etc, to make the average of how much kudos they receive daily, then see if they've maybe not been very active at periods to see if that kudos they have really means anything or it's just there cos he's been a member for ages, or if low kudos means anything or it's just low cos he's not been very active, etc, etc. Really, I don't see what good is yet another e-penis amplifier...
Edit: Ok and agree with what Hamz said.
OK, Hamz, I see where you are getting at. I don't necessarily agree with you 100% on the +1 thing, mainly because there are sometimes a lot of good posts that I see on forums and i don't really want to congratulate them all, but you have a point.
Unfortunately, the team of users that -1 Smug were part of this problem, amirite? Too bad. I wasn't part of that group.
"OK, Hamz, I see where you are getting at. I don't necessarily agree with you 100% on the +1 thing, mainly because there are sometimes a lot of good posts that I see on forums and i don't really want to congratulate them all, but you have a point.Unfortunately, the team of users that -1 Smug were part of this problem, amirite? Too bad. I wasn't part of that group."I - Smug when he deserved it, but most of the time he didnt.
"So Hamz, im curious as to what sort of posts warrant a flag. could you give me some examples? I just want to know what to look for."First of all read the Forum FAQ and the Terms & Conditions. Learn the rules, the general do's and do nots etc.
Flag what you feel needs to be brought to a Moderator's attention. Obvious examples being racism, porn, general flaming and posting illegal content or say advertising cheap WoW gold etc. For the most part use your common sense.
"AgentJ said:Okay, its just its going to be tough getting aquainted to this new policy when i was so used to the minus system that wasn't nearly as harsh as what this seems to be. So we'll be using flagging very rarely correct?"So Hamz, im curious as to what sort of posts warrant a flag. could you give me some examples? I just want to know what to look for."First of all read the Forum FAQ and the Terms & Conditions. Learn the rules, the general do's and do nots etc.Flag what you feel needs to be brought to a Moderator's attention. Obvious examples being racism, porn, general flaming and posting illegal content or say advertising cheap WoW gold etc. For the most part use your common sense."
"A history lesson for you all, and some spoilers for others?When the Community Ratings Tool aka the +/- tool was added to the site it was done under the assumption it would be an effective form of community moderation allowing users the ability to flag a topic after it recieved X number of negative votes into a queue for us Forum Mods to look over. For the first few days it worked out great, until you all abused the shit out of it and we eventually had it 'switched off' some time ago. It has been sitting their idle for a long long time while the Engineers and Mods thought up a better form of user moderation which we have now in the Karma System. This new and the old system were always originally designed to aid in moderation more than some form of online fistbumping to express your appreciation of a post or topic.Even with it switched off as a form of flagging posts or topics for moderation the tool was still abused. How many legitimate posters received a flood of negative votes because they have a small reputation around the site? How often did legitimate topics of discussion turn into nothing more than a popularity contest? And how often did people show disappointment and resent when they see their topic or blog get a -20 rating within minutes of posting it.Most of you I'm sure were law-abiding users and tried to use the tool for good. But a vast majority didn't really do this and a lot of the time it caused topics to turn into a popularity contest which is not something any of us want to see continue. I know a lot of you enjoyed seeing your posts or topics get the +1 treatment from other users, but the vast majority of them did not get this.If you really want to express your appreciation of someone's topic or post then fire a comment to their wall or a PM to their inbox. That is a lot better than some anonymous +1 to their post or topic."But sometimes I simply don't have the time to send a PM. Most of the time, I use GB for 10 minutes and then do other things. A +1 is much more rewarding since it shows other users that your post was appreciated. And It's easy and quick to use.
"Okay, its just its going to be tough getting aquainted to this new policy when i was so used to the minus system that wasn't nearly as harsh as what this seems to be. So we'll be using flagging very rarely correct?"The new system is neither harsh or dramatically different, but rather streamlined and very slick. Atleast on my end it looks rather slick. The difference between this and the old system is simply mechanical, the same basic purpose is there. Flag content you feel requires a Forum Moderator's attention. Use it objectively rather than rarely, don't be afraid to flag content, we aren't going to bite if what you flag doesn't require any moderation. I urge everyone to use the Flag option, it not only makes Moderating easier but helps the community out more than ever.
TheJollyRajah said:
"But sometimes I simply don't have the time to send a PM. Most of the time, I use GB for 10 minutes and then do other things. A +1 is much more rewarding since it shows other users that your post was appreciated. And It's easy and quick to use.I've never been a big fan of the rating tool as both a Moderator and user. But I can understand some folks desire to keep the old way of seeing the +1's added to their post or topic, however like I said above appreciation is better shown via a comment in some form than an anonymous rating. I know not everyone has time to do that, but if you really appreciate something that much it would be worth the time it takes.Do we need something on our profile page that displays our reputation? No, I just added that in there. We don't need a reputation. It's quite obvious that most of us are missing out on a reward system that a few knuckleheads destroyed, but if we eliminate the negatives, and we keep the positives, it will make it much harder to cheat, and it will make us much happier."
That being said you may see an updated form of the +/- tool added in the future. But for the moment I've not heard anything about this happening. And honestly I can't see the point of having something that simply +1's and doesn't -1 as it seems a little redundant to only allow positive feedback.
"I've seen it before as kudos and as "thanks". I don't really think it's necessary because anyone who gives the topic creator a thumbs up will probably post and compliment them again anyway."It's definitely not necessary, but it gives the impression that Giant Bomb rewards users, rather then just punishing them. I see many great posts, but I don't have the time to comment on them all.
"It's definitely not necessary, but it gives the impression that Giant Bomb rewards users, rather then just punishing them. I see many great posts, but I don't have the time to comment on them all.I'm not sure what you mean by that part, care to elaborate?Anyways, how would a +1 system hurt anyone? You can't attack anyone with it. And it's not like it's a hard thing to add on."
For all intents and purposes GiantBomb rewards it's community more than most websites out there. Especially a lot of the larger ones in the same line of business.
I'm glad to see the +/- go, since it was being used more as I agree / I disagree. Flagging a post as inappropriate is less tempting than I disagree.
The quality post is a neat idea. Kind of like the reviews section has a list of users with the most recommended reviews, it could go right below the top posters list in the forums. I think it would actually be better to replace the top posters list. Quality over quantity, you know.
"I'm glad to see the +/- go, since it was being used more as I agree / I disagree. Flagging a post as inappropriate is less tempting than I disagree.You think so? I think most of the time people were reasonable about when they gave - to posts. It was normally for inflammatory posts and Smug, or both.
The quality post is a neat idea. Kind of like the reviews section has a list of users with the most recommended reviews, it could go right below the top posters list in the forums. I think it would actually be better to replace the top posters list. Quality over quantity, you know."
"TheJollyRajah said:I wasn't saying Giant Bomb doesn't reward users, I only said a +1 system would give the impression that it did. The Karma system is great, but having that alone just gives off a more negative feeling... We can flag users, but we can't give them a 1up. It isn't really a practical thing to have... but it creates a better atmosphere, and it's just fun to have. And... most of us want it."It's definitely not necessary, but it gives the impression that Giant Bomb rewards users, rather then just punishing them. I see many great posts, but I don't have the time to comment on them all.I'm not sure what you mean by that part, care to elaborate?For all intents and purposes GiantBomb rewards it's community more than most websites out there. Especially a lot of the larger ones in the same line of business."Anyways, how would a +1 system hurt anyone? You can't attack anyone with it. And it's not like it's a hard thing to add on."
"Origina1Penguin said:That is exactly why we do not need that old system being returned."I'm glad to see the +/- go, since it was being used more as I agree / I disagree. Flagging a post as inappropriate is less tempting than I disagree.You think so? I think most of the time people were reasonable about when they gave - to posts. It was normally for inflammatory posts and Smug, or both. "
The quality post is a neat idea. Kind of like the reviews section has a list of users with the most recommended reviews, it could go right below the top posters list in the forums. I think it would actually be better to replace the top posters list. Quality over quantity, you know."
Now I'm off to bed, I look forward to reading the comments in this topic in the morning!
"AgentJ said:Wait, we dont want to minus people that make inflamatory statements? And while Smug didnt always deserve it, he certainly made it easy for people to hate him with so many inflamatory posts."Origina1Penguin said:That is exactly why we do not need that old system being returned.Now I'm off to bed, I look forward to reading the comments in this topic in the morning!""I'm glad to see the +/- go, since it was being used more as I agree / I disagree. Flagging a post as inappropriate is less tempting than I disagree.You think so? I think most of the time people were reasonable about when they gave - to posts. It was normally for inflammatory posts and Smug, or both. "
The quality post is a neat idea. Kind of like the reviews section has a list of users with the most recommended reviews, it could go right below the top posters list in the forums. I think it would actually be better to replace the top posters list. Quality over quantity, you know."
"I'm off to bed, I look forward to reading the comments in this topic in the morning!"Psst... I'm pretty sure I saw Hamz at the Victoria's secret in the mall the other day. He didn't have a girl with him, though. I asked him what he was doing, and he gave me some line about buying a gift... but he was eying up this mannequin dressed in... well, nothing.
Ha, just kidding Hamz, nite.
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