Hottest Mess Waiting Room 2019

  • 94 results
  • 1
  • 2
Avatar image for dudeglove
dudeglove

13828

Forum Posts

1166

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 2

#1  Edited By dudeglove

UPDATE II (Ongoing) 04/11/2019

Okay so I said I’d do this, so here we go:

2019’s Relatively Hot Messes As They More or Less Happened Chronologically

As Gerstmann once put it – games are big now, so congrats, here’s all the problems that come with that (credit mostly goes to gi.biz newsletter and Jim Sterling’s backlog of news videos). I’ve largely omitted twitter fights apart from notable exceptions. I'm breaking them into spoiler blocks for ease of reading. This list is by no means definitive, and is mostly a list of things that were reported on directly rather than rumor mongering or based on tweets.

January

- Bethesda – Nukes stop working in Fallout 76 on New Year’s Day because for some reason the launch codes were tied to the date.

- Activision & Bungie split up and Bungie takes Destiny with them (not really a hot mess… yet).

- Drawn to Death developer David Jaffe calls lootbox legislation a form of “censorship”.

- VIP access to Anthem demo is released. Beset by problems, mostly in the form of people staring at endless loading screens.

- EA removes lootboxes from FIFA 19 in Belgium due to gambling laws.

- Bethesda (again) – a patch to Fallout 76 reintroduces old bugs along with adding new ones.

February

- Metro Exodus & Epic Exclusivity. 4A Games announces they’ll be on the Epic Game Store. Cue boycotts and review bombing.

- Russ Pitts, Editor in Chief of the Escapist as well as a co-founder of a mental health charity, stepped down/away from these posts after writing an editorial about ethics in video games that drew fire for, well, look it up (for context – this comes after the Escapist relaunched as a “no politics” site in 2018).

- EA stocks drop despite selling over 7 million copies of Battlefield V, which is considered “disappointing”.

- A 10% “sin” tax is proposed for games rated M or AO in the US in response to school shootings.

- Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick announces record profits on earnings call, proceeds to announce the lay off of 800 Blizzard employees. A report by As You Sow finds that Kotick along with a few other AAA publisher CEOs are among the most overpaid CEOs in the US.

- COD: Black Ops 4 adds loot boxes back into COD (despite previously taking them out) with the “Grand Heist” update.

- THQ Nordic hosts an AMA on 8chan, AKA “shoutout to Mark”, apologizes an hour later for doing so. For those that don’t know, 8chan was an imageboard site linked to neo nazi white supremacists and so on (“was” because Cloudflare pulled CDN support in August 2019 in the wake of several mass shootings – the site is no longer hosted).

March

- Dead or Alive 6 has a $100 season pass

- Anthem – substantial stability issues with the game with players encountering frequent crashes, and in rare instances some people’s PS4s were bricked.

- Valve parts ways with Artifact lead designer Richard Garfield along with terminating 12 other positions internally.

- The House of Lords in the UK calls for the establishment of a new Digital Authority to oversee regulation of tech companies.

- EA apologizes to Sims community for its delay in dealing with an influencer who turned out to be an apparent sexual predator

- Sega pulls Judgment from sale in Japan after actor arrested for alleged cocaine use

- Epic responds to accusations of Steam data mining

- Julian Gollop defends Epic Games Store exclusivity for Phoenix Point

- Google unveils Stadia at GDC

- Valve adds soft currency gambling to Dota Plus subscription

- EA lays off 350 staff, decreasing presence in Russia & Japan

- PUBG Corp, NetEase settle copyright lawsuit over battle royale genre

- The EU votes in favor of Article 13

- Forbes puts out a piece calling for an easy mode to Sekiro. Debate ensues over accessibility in games.

- Humble Bundle co-founders step down after “best year ever”

April

- Brendan Greene announces that he is “done with battle royale"

- Man responsible for fatal swatting call sentenced to 20 years

- Sony announces it will be shutting down all Driveclub online servers

- Borderlands 3 announces it will be an Epic exclusive on PC at launch

- Kotaku’s Jason Schrier puts out a piece on Bioware’s development on Anthem detailing that despite five years in development, the game was rushed out the door with barely 6 months of actual dev time. The initial response by EA/Bioware PR is extremely poor.

- Ubisoft cancels Starlink physical toys following game's under performance

- In the UK The Competition and Markets Authority launches an investigation into multiple business practices of Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo.

- Microsoft investigates sexual harassment claims overlooked by HR

- EU Commission accuses six game companies of illegal geo-blocking, which are: Valve, Bandai Namco, Capcom, Focus Home, Koch Media, and ZeniMax.

- Valve finally tackles review bombing of Borderlands 2, due to BL3 Epic exclusivity

- Univision sells Gizmodo Media Group (parent of Kotaku and other former Gawker sites) to private equity firm Great Hill Partners.

- Activision Blizzard pays employees for health tracking and gives $1 a day in gift cards to employees using a pregnancy-tracking app that allows HR to monitor aggregated data

- Nepal bans PUBG

- The Interactive Software Federation of Europe (ISFE) calls on European regulators to block illegal skin gambling sites following a ruling in Denmark in March.

- Native American nation files lawsuit against Valve over skins gambling

- Rocket League removes loot boxes in Belgium and the Netherlands

- Polygon reports on miserable crunch conditions of Epic Games staff working on Fortnite

- Bioware delays multiple Anthem features

- Tim Sweeney says that Epic would stop pursuing exclusives if Steam improved its revenue share

- Riot Games says women waived right to sue company when they were hired. Riot employees respond by threatening a walkout.

- Musician Leo Pellegrino sues Epic Games over alleged misappropriation of his identity

May

- Randy Pitchford’s twitter meltdown begins as a result of him announcing on stage that BL3 wouldn’t have microtransactions, except the game will have microtransactions. Proceeds to tweet non-stop for about 19 hours, mostly at games journalists for reporting what he said at his company’s own event. Controversy continues throughout the month, with Pitchford eventually tweeting out a video of animal cruelty.

- Original Claptrap voice actor David Eddings accuses Randy Pitchford of assault amid pay dispute.

- Epic Games acquires Rocket League dev Psyonix

- NetherRealm joins the list of companies that crunch employees

- Riot Games drops mandatory arbitration following walkout threats.

- Star Citizen development reportedly troubled by mishandled money, micromanagement

- University of British Columbia's Centre for Gambling Research study sees link between loot boxes and gambling

- GWU calls for testimonies against reported sexual predators at Quantic Dream

- Riot Games employees hold walkout over forced arbitration.

- Danish developer Ultra Ultra (which made Echo) closes down.

- US legislator proposes loot box ban

- Ghost Recon Breakpoint announces it will skip Steam for Epic Games Store

- Variety publishes a piece on the mess that is the ESA https://variety.com/2019/gaming/features/entertainment-software-association-mike-gallagher-e3-1203211280/

- EU court rules that employers must track staff working hours

- WWE 2K dev Yukes establishes second wrestling IP to foster internal competition

- VR startup High Fidelity lays off 25% of staff

- Sweden begins investigating loot boxes

- The Division 2 apparently doesn’t meet sales targets

- Epic Store runs “Mega Sale”, but due to a screw up, games like Bloodlines 2, Borderlands 3 and Hades are temporarily pulled from the store because of an apparent failure to communicate how the sale would be handled.

- Valve adds experimental “Avoid Player” features in paid battle pass in DOTA 2.

- GOG announces it is delisting all Telltale games.

- US loot box bill receives bipartisan support

- Wade Callender (former Gearbox legal cousel) confirms that Gearbox did not follow through with a counter suit against him.

- World Health Organisation makes 'gaming disorder' a recognised illness. South Korea’s government is upset about this (no, really).

- US considers 25% tariff on game consoles

- Sonic the Hedgehog film delayed

- Sony Europe taken to court for alleged consumer rights violations in Australia. ACCC alleges PlayStation Store refund policy does not reflect the consumer rights protected under Australian law

- Starbreeze applies for second extension on reconstruction period

- Iron Maiden sue 3D Realms over Ion Maiden

- Gamestop’s COO and CFO leave company after 23 years

- Twitch adds mandatory two-factor authentication to prevent non-games streams following weekend of trolls using Artifact channel to broadcast porn and sports

June

- Starbreeze lays off a quarter of its staff in further efforts to cut costs

- Devs hit Apple with class action lawsuit

- Blizzard reportedly cancels StarCraft FPS to focus on Overwatch and Diablo

- Vox Media staff stages one-day walkout over union contract

- Unity faces lawsuit as John Riccitiello accused of sexual harassment

- Shenmue 3 is an Epic exclusive, says it won’t be refunding those who preordered on Steam.

- Riot Games accused of non-compliance with gender discrimination investigation

- Streamer Guy” Dr Disrespect” Beahm has E3 badge revoked after filming in public bathroom, returns to Twitch later in the month.

- Amazon Game Studios lays off "dozens"

- Twitch sues users who filled Artifact category with porn, violence, racism, and misogyny

- In the UK, the Digital, Culture, Media, and Sport Committee holds its House of Commons inquiry into immersive and addictive technologies with representative legal counsels from EA and Epic, both of whom largely snub the assembled inquiry. EA’s Kerry Hopkins coins the phrase “we call [loot boxes] ‘surprise mechanics’.” https://twitter.com/IanCLucas/status/1141356160198565888

- Blizzard loses global esports director Kim Phan

- Microsoft reportedly cuts internal content teams at Inside Xbox and Mixer

- League of Legends reportedly blocked in Iran due to US sanctions

- Nintendo chooses Israel for its second official store

- Nintendo-focused YouTuber Desmond 'Etika' Amofah found dead at 29

- Rovio sues California chicken restaurant over Angry Birds trademark

- Games companies tells UK lawmakers it wants more research into gaming disorder

- Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo all sign joint letter on 25% tariff on consoles stating it would cause "disproportionate harm"

- Stories of crunch, neglect for QA at Treyarch

- Japanese mobile dev Gumi shuts down Paris office, laying off 32

- Steam fucks up its own Summer Sale promotion which leads to several indie games witnessing drops in wishlisting

- UK media union launches survey on games industry working conditions

July

- Paradox Interactive calls 70/30 revenue split outrageous at Gamelab 2019

- EA Vice President states in interview: "I struggle with the perception that we're just a bunch of bad guys"

- In UK, Digital Minister Margot James defends loot boxes but calls for more research into link between gaming and gambling. Meanwhile, Information Commissioner tells UK Parliament it will audit publishers and developers if needed as it works on Age Appropriate Design Code

- Shenmue 3 says PC backers will get refunds over Epic exclusivity after all, with Epic footing the refund bill

- Mordhau developer says it never had plans for gender/diversity toggle after describing plans for said toggle

- Mobile studio Endless Entertainment announces layoffs

- Artifact designer Richard Garfield says game is salvageable, but that he isn't interested in damage control

- No More Robots head Mike Rose launches petition to get indie games removed from G2A

- Yogscast cuts ties with Matthew 'Caff' Meredith after sexual harassment allegations

- G2A image rehabilitation effort backfires, with claims that a G2A employee approached 10 sites to run undisclosed sponsored post, says it was unauthorized, "absolutely unacceptable"

- PUBG banned in Jordan

- Fortnite streaming hours drop for fourth straight quarter. Biggest battle royale games all show declines but Epic's hit remains most watched title on streaming platforms

- Ubisoft bans XP farming quests in Assassin's Creed Odyssey's story creator

- Ubisoft criticised for sourcing Watch Dogs Legion music through Joseph Gordon-Levitt's HitRecord

- Wube Software (Factorio) takes up G2A on offer to pay back ten times its chargeback fees

- Twitch growth dips as Fortnite viewership continues to decline

- Yogscast CEO Mark Turpin resigns following sexual harassment allegations

- Riot extends deadline for removal of Echo Fox shareholder following racist remarks

- Dev studio LuckyHammers in Montreal shuts down, affecting 70

- Blizzard co-founder Frank Pearce ends 28-year career at company

- Nintendo faces class action lawsuit over Joy-Con drifting defect

- Supercell pulls games out of Vietnam, citing "regulatory issues"

- Grand Theft Auto V update adds a casino that can be played with real money

- Epic Game store adds cloud saves

- British Gambling Commission: Industry should be "proactively dealing" with skin betting

- Rockstar hasn't paid UK corporation tax in ten years, claims investigative think tank

- Bethesda screws up re-releases of Doom and Doom II, forcing players to sign in with a mandatory Bethesda account

- US trade sanctions force GitHub to restrict access in Iran, Syria and Crimea

- Automaton Games enters administration

- Glumberland (Ooblets devs) announce deal with Epic, noting that exclusivity covers sales forecast across all stores

August

- GameStop reportedly lays off over 50 amid ongoing restructuring

- Ninja departs Twitch for Mixer exclusivity deal

- Bungie delays free-to-play Destiny 2 to October

- E3 organizers ESA “accidentally” leaks personal details of approximately 2000 journalists, YouTubers and analysts. Not an isolated incident.

- Ooblets devs receive thousands of "hateful, threatening messages" over Epic exclusivity

- ESA defends against Trump's proposed video game crackdown (context: mass shootings had just occurred)

- IGDA, IGDAF issue statement on shootings in the US

- Epic Games denounces "disturbing trend" of harassment toward its partners

- UK think tank TaxWatch states Activision Blizzard has dodged taxes on billions

- Valve clamping down on abuse of Steam's Popular Upcoming list

- Yuke's splits from WWE 2K franchise

- Psyonix removes paid, randomized crates from Rocket League

- US Federal Trade Commission holds “loot box workshop” with ESA. Consumer advocates to ESRB, FTC: Loot box odds disclosure is not enough. Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft to require loot box odds disclosure in games.

- Police say there is no danger after Twitch HQ threatened

- Take-Two investigating streamer over Borderlands 3 leaks

- Activision Blizzard sees sagging sales, profit, engagement

- Infinity Ward says Modern Warfare isn't political, debates how it ever could be

- Walmart takes down violent video game demos, displays. ESPN, ABC pull Apex Legends tournament show in wake of mass shootings

- Epic Games faces class action lawsuit over Fortnite data breach

- Twitch CEO apologises after Ninja's old channel used to promote porn

- Subnautica dev demands G2A pay $300,000 to cover lost chargebacks

- Isbit Games shut down

- Ubisoft loses Rocksmith patent suit

- US delays tariff on game consoles, says it won’t go into effect until December 15th

- Nintendo clamps down on YouTube game music channels

- G2A fudges own history in response to developer complaint

- Loot Crate files for bankruptcy, lays off over 50

- Respawn devs call players “dicks” and “asshats” over loot box furore

- DARQ dev highlights "double standard" of Epic Game Store

- Survey highlights culture of overwork and toxicity in UK games industry

- Ion Fury developers apologize for sexist, ableist, homophobic, transphobic remarks (then later doesn’t)

- Starbreeze reports pre-tax loss as it sheds non-core assets

- GameStop lays off 14% of total staff, Game Informer lays off 'many' staff

- DICE cancels Battlefield V competitive mode to focus on bug fixes

- Steam no longer allowing payments in Argentinian pesos

- Riot Games reaches preliminary settlement in class action lawsuit over gender discrimination

- Six men arrested over alleged Counter-Strike match fixing

- Following Natalie Lawhead’s account regarding alleged abuser and TES composer Jeremy Soule, many more developers come forward with accounts of emotional abuse and sexual assault.

- Ubisoft exec criticises Steam's "unrealistic" business model

- NBA 2K20 trailer shows off the thrill of gambling

- Night in the Woods team cancels game amid Alec Holowka allegations

- Blizzard sues over "brazen" Warcraft clone

- Valve reportedly fighting EU antitrust charges

- Former colleagues accuse Alexis Kennedy (former Fail Better Games CEO, now Weather Factory) of abuse, retaliation

September

- Night in the Woods developer Alec Holowka dies

- Chucklefish responds to allegations that it exploited Starbound's contributors

- PEGI aware that NBA 2K20 gambling imagery may be "too close for comfort"

- Starbreeze applies for third extension on reconstruction period

- Valve kept quiet on Epic exclusives following Metro Exodus backlash. Statement on "unfair" exclusivity was not intended to be a "lightning rod," Valve said.

- UK Parliamentary committee recommends banning loot box sales to children. Electronic Arts responds to DCMS committee calls for loot box regulation. ESA "strongly disagrees" with UK DCMS loot box report.

- Nintendo sues ROM site RomUniverse

- Nicalis president accused of unprofessional conduct

- Discord pulls free games from Nitro

- Second person gets prison sentence in fatal swatting case

- E3 2020 pitch shows move towards celebrities, consumers and influencers

- Rockstar Games launches its own storefront

- Twitch sexual content crackdown causing confusion

- French court rules country's Steam users can resell their games

- Games professor accuses Kingdom of Loathing designer of abuse

- Mirador developer Sauropod Studio closes, laying off around 20

- Bandai sues AtGames over Ms. Pac-Man mini arcade cabinet

- Walgreens suing AtGames for breach of contract

- Switch Lite added to Joy-Con drift class action lawsuit

- Duke Nukem 3D composer Bobby Prince sues Gearbox, Randy Pitchford, and Valve over use of music in re-release

October

- Shawn Layden leaves post at Sony Interactive Entertainment

- Fortnite US July revenues down 52% year-over-year

- Ustwo Games accused of union busting

- SAG-AFTRA dismisses Gearbox's stance in Borderlands 3 union row

- Discord confirms layoffs

- Sauropod Studio responds to concerns surrounding layoffs, sexism, studio's status

- Gearbox and its former lawyer agree to drop lawsuits. Suits dismissed after parties resolve "misunderstandings," say evidence exonerated Gearbox CEO Randy Pitchford.

- EA leaks FIFA Global Series player data. Up to 1,600 players signing up for tournament series had their personal information exposed to other registrants

- Stardew Valley creator clarifies relationship with Chucklefish following exploitation accusations

- October 8th Blizzard dismisses Hearthstone player Ng Wai aka blitzchung for supporting Hong Kong protests

- GWU Australia survey shows 19% of direct employees aren't making minimum wage

- Epic, minor accused of cheating in Fortnite settle copyright suit

- Epic Games faces class action lawsuit in Canada over "Fortnite addiction"

- NHS targets gaming addiction with new specialist clinic

- Mixer viewership down in Q3 despite Ninja's exclusivity deal

- Redundancies expected as Rovio reshuffles its licensing division

- October 9th Backlash towards Blizzard increases with US senators, Blizzard employees and Hearthstone communities decrying developer's attempt to avoid controversy with China

- Man breaks into Valve, steals $40,000 of equipment, games. Same suspect has been previously arrested for burglary, stealing a FedEx truck

- Atari VCS architect quits, citing six months of missed payments

- Doom Eternal delayed to March

- Epic states it won't take action against Fortnite players who speak up about Hong Kong

- October 10th: Blizzard employees organise walkout following Hong Kong controversy. Popular caster Brian Kibler also withdrew his participation to the Hearthstone Grandmasters final

- Sony Interactive Entertainment EU reportedly lays off "dozens" amid restructuring

- Livestream of Germany shooting removed from Twitch

- Riot Games: "We aren't telling anyone to avoid saying 'Hong Kong'"

- October 11th: Blizzard puts out statement on a Friday evening that Chinese interests "had no influence" on Blitzchung ban. Hearthstone developer reduces punishments for pro player's support of Hong Kong protesters as president J. Allen Brack insists response would have been the same to pro-China views

- Blizzard forces name change for gay guild

- G2A: "There's no place in a business like ours for shadiness or fraud"

- October 15th: Blizzard cancels Overwatch live event at Nintendo World in New York

- Fortnite "shuts down" ahead of battle royale's Chapter 2

- Stellaris mobile beta taken offline over stolen Halo assets

- German regulator begins process to ban Coin Master game

- October 16th: US Hearthstone players banned for Hong Kong protest on stream

- Call of Duty tosses loot boxes along with Season Pass, DLC map packs, in favor of battle pass system

- October 18th: US legislators write bipartisan letter to Activision Blizzard CEO Bobby Kotick

- Riot's automated filters accidentally censor Muslim minority

- In UK, Children's Commissioner calls for ban on all non-cosmetic in-game purchases

- Call of Duty: Modern Warfare won't be sold on PS Store in Russia

- Bethesda introduces Fallout 1st subscription to Fallout 76

- Starbreeze restarts Payday 2 content production ten months after pulling the plug

- Sony issuing refunds for faulty WWE 2K20

- Mixer signs exclusive deal with Shroud-

- The Last of Us Part II delayed to May 29

- Ubisoft delays Watch Dogs Legion, Gods & Monsters, Rainbow Six Quarantine as shares fall by 16%

- Epic sues tester who leaked Fortnite Chapter 2 details

- EA returns to Steam

- Call of Duty Modern Warfare decried as 'American propaganda' over Highway of Death mission

- October 30th: It’s revealed that Hearthstone sponsor Mitsubishi abandoned Blizzard esports league after Blitzchung controversy

- EA will not ship an NBA Live game this fiscal year

November

- Amazon blocks sales of all unauthorised Nintendo products. Third-party sellers now need platform holder's approval before selling second-hand games or hardware

I'll update this on a maybe roughly weekly basis at least until GOTY discussions. I've collapsed the older sections under spoiler blocks to make it less scrolly.

UPDATE I: 15/10/2019

I am not one to revel in the various scandals and outright international incidents, but considering what's happened since I made this initial thread, I feel it needs updating.

* Nintendo's drifting Joycons: I don't own a switch, but the joycons were apparently being somewhat faulty. Hardly the biggest offender but I wanted to start gentle.

* Google Stadia is not exactly setting the world on fire. Despite "negative latency", the demoing has been apparently poor.

* Even more microtransactions: Skins in the new Crash Team Racing apparently cost 10 dollars, and EA/Apex Legends can't quite figure out how to monetize the game properly.

* Even more allegations of abuse, featuring Jeremy Soule & Alexis Kennedy: Noted Elder Scrolls composer Jeremy Soule was outed for abusing their position over sustained periods of time by a former coworker. Former Fail Better Games CEO Kennedy was outed for similar reasons. These aren't isolated issues, as Naughty Dog allegedly fired an environmental artist last year apparently because they filed a sexual harrasment complaint to HR about their lead.

* Alec Holowka: Much less a "hot mess", much more a tragic tale that can't go ignored but I won't go into the details as there's plenty of reading out there from practically everyone closest to the matter. Scott Benson's post on Medium about his relationship with Alec is worth reading.

* Bethesda and the moldy FO76 Gamestop power armor helmet: Did you pre order Fallout 76 from Gamestop? Did you know that the US government issued a product recall because the pre-order helmet contains mold and could very well give you some sort of horrible lung infection should you attempt to put it over your head?

* Blizzard and China: This is verging on "international incident" rather than "hot mess". Hearthstone player Blitzchung was removed from tournament play and his winnings withheld due to making pro Hong Kong remarks in a post match interview. The internet at large didn't respond too well to any of this. Following this was an extremely poorly written statement supposedly by the Blizzard president and his fine was later reduced significantly. ActiBlizz stock has dropped a few points since the matter. Due to protests, Blizzard has recently cancelled a Nintendo store event in NYC that was intended as a launch party for Overwatch on the Switch. Overwatch's Chinese character Mei has been adopted by Reddit as a protest figure as a result. BlizzCon is coming up in November too so that will be interesting.

* Update to Pitchford: So the Callender suit against Gearbox/Randy isn't happening and they are settling privately. It should be noted, however, that despite PR claims that Gearbox was counter-suing Wade Callender for his suit and remarks, apparently no counter suit was ever filed in Austin/Texas. What this means is that there will be no public debacle in a Texan court come January.

Original post below

----

June-ish: So we're halfway through the year now and I was wondering who or what the community thinks should sit atop the hottest mess podium come GOTY 2019. A few stick out for me so far (mid-writing edit: wow there's way more than I initially thought), and apologies for the first few being not particularly exciting:

* Layoffs (again): Between the start of the year and April, roughly 1500 people have lost their jobs in the game industry. Almost half of these are attributed to Activision "Record Profits" Blizzard who announced a layoff of about 8% of their staff (a process that is still ongoing in countries with better labor legislation like Blizzard's Versailles office in France who currently have to argue their case against unions and local government to lay off the ~134 staff there) during a conference call.

* Loot boxes (or "They're called Suprise Mechanics and they're quite ethical, actually"): Where to start? EA's recent contemptuous appearance before the House of Commons in the UK? The FTC's ongoing investigation into loot boxes and proposed bills stateside?

* Crunch: Too many companies to list but notable ones are Epic, Rockstar, EA/Bioware, ActiBlizz, Riot Games, Netherrealm among many others.

* Epic Games Store & Exclusives: Not a particular fan of mentioning this one, but it's bound to come up in discussion, especially in regards to crowdfunded games that were expected to get a Steam release but have recently signed a deal with the Epic Store or in some cases were bought outright by Epic to become part of the store (e.g. Rocket League).

* Riot Games COO Scott Gelb: Among many accusations of sexism and harrassment, Scott Gelb's other fratbro activities included grabbing other people's genitalia and farting on coworkers. Last I checked he has not been removed from the COO position and got a paid slap on the wrist.

* THQ Nordic and that AMA: AKA "Shout out to Mark".

* Anthem: Myriad issues on launch, dwindling playerbase, awful stories indicating a rushed development

* Bethesda: 2019 started without a bang because Fallout 76's nukes stopped working on New Years Day, and started banning people who either played the game for too long or for having too much in their inventory space. Also, they plagiarized a TTRPG campaign damn near word for word.

* Randy Pitchford (or "Why would you fuck me on this"): Rather than promote his company's upcoming game Borderlands 3, Randy Pitchford spent most of Meltdown May arguing with games journalists on twitter for directly quoting him, culminating in him tweeting out a video of animal abuse. This month-long mess led to criticism from former employees, contractors, and childhood friends going public with extremely concerning stories about Pitchford's personal behavior and business activities among which are allegations of physical assault, the supposed misappropriation of 12 million USD and alleged molestation of minors.

* Sega halting sales of Judgment due to actor testing positive for drugs: Don't see this winning but it made headlines all the same and set the release back a few months.

* Sekiro's lack of an "easy mode": Again, it was in the news for about a week but I don't see it winning.

* E3 being kinda... eh: Hey did you see T-Pain and Lil Yachty play Rainbow 6 Siege? Me neither.

Please feel free to add your own as I'm sure I have missed some. IMO the GOTY discussion will, short of something drastic happening later this year, circulate around the themes of labor issues and monetization (again), albeit with honorable mention to Pitchford for single-handedly demolishing the reputation of the Borderlands franchise.

Avatar image for bladeofcreation
BladeOfCreation

1510

Forum Posts

27

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 3

I think Randy Pitchford and Anthem (or EA) are definitely on the list.

Avatar image for nodima
Nodima

2677

Forum Posts

24

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 13

User Lists: 0

#3  Edited By Nodima

Anthem and Pitchford are easy picks with the recent Mordhau news bringing up the rear pending how they ultimately handle those situations. Shortly after the original article about their reticence to make any choice for the players, to the point they were considering offering the option to effectively "censor" non-white, non-male avatars for players who preferred to only see white men, they released a couple of statements seeming to imply they were misquoted or misinterpreted. The transcript of the interviews was released and that clearly wasn't the case, but if they can come to see how weird that option would be and re-focus their energy on moderating their community I think we'll all forget about it by year's end.

Avatar image for therealturk
TheRealTurk

654

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I feel like Anthem kind of has the inside track here purely from a game perspective. The more I hear about that development process, the more surprised I am that anything got out the door at all.

Randy Pitchford is sort of the high variance dark horse here. Depending on how that litigation goes, the situation is either going to quietly go away or get a lot more explosive. If it's the latter, I feel like we've got at least one or two more rambling, possibly-coke fueled Pitchford Twitter rants on the way.

Avatar image for shiftygism
Shiftygism

1220

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#5  Edited By Shiftygism

Certain "professional enthusiasts" within the gaming media misusing their platform, being called out on it left and right by sensible folks on YouTube, leading some within that ever dwindling circle to go into panic mode with hit-piece articles, demonetization campaigns, and trying to link them to bullshit from years back in sad attempts at slowing down the inevitable shift in where people get their gaming news, reviews, etc.

Avatar image for gazoinks
Gazoinks

114

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@nodima: WOAH. Apparently I missed some shit; I hadn't heard that. But yeah, I feel like Pitchford, Anthem, and "Surprise Mechanics" are the big three so far.

Avatar image for sparky_buzzsaw
sparky_buzzsaw

8993

Forum Posts

3727

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 39

User Lists: 32

#7  Edited By sparky_buzzsaw

The award almost deserves to be split up into multiple categories - Shiftiest Company Move, Shiftiest Individual Move, and the What the Fuck Randy Moment of the Year.

Avatar image for boozak
BoOzak

2746

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 8

#8  Edited By BoOzak

I dont think Judgement actually got delayed in the west, it would make sense but the people localizing said it was always planned for the end of June. Regardless it was a weird culture shock thing but not that big of a deal in terms of gaming news. (as the OP admitted)

I'll go with Randy, I feel like there are worse things on this list but he just keeps doing dumb shit and I fully believe he'll do more before the end of the year.

Avatar image for gundato
Gundato

455

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#9  Edited By Gundato

Anthem and Randy are probably the frontrunners and I REALLY hope they don't get dethroned. Community pick will probably be Epic Games Store, but it is pretty telling that most media outlets don't give a shit.

Crunch is just too pervasive and has been for too long.

It is still a developing story, but I would add the Mordhau devs to that list. Forum is full of stickied threads with racial slurs that the devs don't think is a problem and they told PC Gamer in an interview that they would make sure that diversity options (women and skin color) were toggleable. They've since tried to walk back the latter with a "why would you fuck me on this" but shut up around the time PC Gamer made it clear they had receipts. Doubt it has any chance to win when compared against Randy (real dumpster fire of a human as face of PR) and Anthem (gamers don't get a game they want), but as Kotaku so eloquently put it: Mordhau's Developers Are On Some Bullshit

Avatar image for gunflame88
gunflame88

409

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Anthem is the perfect poster boy for the biggest bullshit practices currently prevalent in the industry, so that's the most solid pick in my opinion. As much as I despise Pitchford, his continued idiocy is not notable in the grand scheme of things.

Avatar image for jonny_anonymous
Jonny_Anonymous

3677

Forum Posts

6

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Personally, I would have "The Game Industry" win every year until it unionizes and sorts its shit out. But I 100% assume Athem is going to win.

Avatar image for dudeglove
dudeglove

13828

Forum Posts

1166

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 2

Kinda surprised that some folk are going Anthem as to me that game always seemed like a wet fart in an slowly descending cramped elevator rather than a hot mess.

and the What the Fuck Randy Moment of the Year.

I morbidly like this one. Kind of an inverse of the "Best Wolfenstein Moment" category from a couple of years ago. Was it the USB stick of company files and pornography left at Medieval Times? Was it him sneaking into an audio booth and sticking his wet finger in a coworkers ear while they're trying to record voice lines? Was it the abysmal PAX East appearance? There are so many to choose from.

Avatar image for superjoe
SuperJoe

1295

Forum Posts

3140

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 3

User Lists: 4

#13  Edited By SuperJoe

It's a toss up. The Randy Pitchford situation is a hot mess on many fronts....a clusterfuck of ongoing hot messes that makes for a sensational tabloid-news story. Unfortunately layoffs, rushed games, and crunch are nothing new however they affect many more people/families.

Avatar image for gamer_152
gamer_152

14810

Forum Posts

73592

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 71

User Lists: 6

#14  Edited By gamer_152  Moderator

The difficult thing about Hottest Mess is a lot of the best candidates are often ongoing issues in the industry. The big problems tend to be the most pernicious, so they don't appear within the course of a year, and disappear before the next; they're more long-term than that. Along those lines, the widespread, never-ending crunch that has happened over the course of 2019 is probably the worst thing so far, and even if that doesn't fit the spirit of Hottest Mess perfectly, maybe it deserves to be the pick because it would draw more attention to an already desperate problem in the industry. If we're picking a disaster more specific to this year, however, it's gotta be Pitchford. I've never seen anyone that high up in the industry spiral out of control in the way he has. I still can't quite believe it's happened.

Avatar image for yitz
Yitz

1

Forum Posts

95

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

as a game dev being affected by it, the whole situation with the latest Steam sale has been incredibly frustrating. I know it's not the worst thing to happen in the industry this year, but it has been a massive headache for me...

Avatar image for jeremyf
jeremyf

430

Forum Posts

2867

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 10

User Lists: 6

Oh shit, Anthem was this year, huh

Avatar image for zombie2011
zombie2011

5603

Forum Posts

8742

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 5

I'm not seeing why a layoff of a workforce is a hot mess?

If Act-Bliz found redundancy with in their organization they shouldn't have to keep them on staff just because they managed to put together a good quarter.

Avatar image for dudeglove
dudeglove

13828

Forum Posts

1166

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 2

I'm not seeing why a layoff of a workforce is a hot mess?

If Act-Bliz found redundancy with in their organization they shouldn't have to keep them on staff just because they managed to put together a good quarter.

In the same earnings call one of the most overpaid CEOs in the world literally boasted of R E C O R D earnings before announcing the layoff of around 800 members of ActiBlizz staff. There's a reason why people scrawl devil horns over Kotick, but don't take my word for it: take Kotick's own words from 2010, wherein he explained openly why he wants a company culture infused with skepticism, pessimism, and fear.

@yitz said:

as a game dev being affected by it, the whole situation with the latest Steam sale has been incredibly frustrating. I know it's not the worst thing to happen in the industry this year, but it has been a massive headache for me...

I agree, the recent wishlist stuff is ridiculous, and not much focus was given to whatever happened exactly in October 2018 when Steam changed its algorithms and pretty much everyone's sales dipped by a third for no discernible reason. I don't think Steam's doing it deliberately against indies, but rather independent/smaller developers (who cannot make at least 10 million USD to meet that revenue split barrier) are instead just the unfortunate victims in Steam's bungled attempts to retain bigger cash cows with Epic throwing its money around.

Avatar image for bladeofcreation
BladeOfCreation

1510

Forum Posts

27

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 3

@nodima: I just read about this Mordhau stuff. Wow.

Avatar image for ben_h
Ben_H

4214

Forum Posts

1618

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 5

I think lootboxes, crunch, and Anthem could all be combined into a single "What the fuck is going on at EA?" option. There could also be an argument for layoffs, Blizzard being slowly destroyed, and squandering a bunch of popular franchises for a single "What is Activision doing?" option as well.

I'm not seeing why a layoff of a workforce is a hot mess?

If Act-Bliz found redundancy with in their organization they shouldn't have to keep them on staff just because they managed to put together a good quarter.

It's not just "redundancies" though, they've got rid of a bunch of key people, and a bunch of other staff have left as a result. For example, Kim Phan, their head esports person who is a big reason why SC2 and Overwatch were so successful, just left, as are a bunch of other longtime employees that have been there for decades (Kim was there for 15 years). Losing a bunch of top people like this will likely not end well for them. This type of thing is exactly why Bioware started to fall apart, and that's why people are so concerned about Blizzard now.

Avatar image for merxworx01
MerxWorx01

926

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@shiftygism: Is this in reference to anything mentioned here or is this something new?

Avatar image for dgtlty
dgtlty

1254

Forum Posts

21

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#22  Edited By dgtlty  Online

Quite a list and Q3 has only just begun! Can't wait to see what the rest of the year brings from this fine industry.

Avatar image for theflamingo352
TheFlamingo352

400

Forum Posts

11

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#23  Edited By TheFlamingo352

I feel like crunch and massive layoffs are some of the worst things up there, but also that's been the hottest mess forever, so it's an unexciting choice.

Gosh the game industry rocks doesn't it...

Personally I expect Randy to land pretty highly when GOTY comes; miles of bad press and creepiness all focused on one guy, enough to make me uncomfortable buying a sequel to one of my favourite games. I think he can go the distance.

Avatar image for shiftygism
Shiftygism

1220

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@merxworx01: Nothing that's been discussed by the crew unfortunately (and understandably) or here on the boards directly as most of the content in question originates from friends of Giant Bomb or sister sites under CBS, so there's no chance of anything that's been going down making the crew's official list.

Avatar image for relkin
Relkin

1254

Forum Posts

2492

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 0

Did I miss something, or does the Sekiro thing not come even remotely close to qualifying as a mess, hot or no?

Avatar image for magnetphonics
MagnetPhonics

91

Forum Posts

42

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#26  Edited By MagnetPhonics

@dudeglove said:

* Epic Games Store & Exclusives: Not a particular fan of mentioning this one, but it's bound to come up in discussion, especially in regards to crowdfunded games that were expected to get a Steam release but have recently signed a deal with the Epic Store or in some cases were bought outright by Epic to become part of the store (e.g. Rocket League).

If you're talking about the stuff regularly discussed on the Giantbomb, (mostly about "exclusives",) then you are correct. It barely even qualifies as a mess let alone a hot one.

But there's a lot more to it that should put the affair into contention. Even if other messes had a higher temperature.

  • Switching crowdfunded/announced/pre-ordered to Epic Store with no notice is slightly dodgy, and in some cases explicitly illegal in some jurisdictions (assuming they are serviced by Epic at all.)
  • The involvement of Steamspy in all this.(possibly out of scope for 2019)
  • The biggest thing for me is that Epic are trading on the idea that they offer devs a better deal. But the reality is that many of the developers most affected by Valve's mismanagement of Steam do not have access to the Epic Store and Epic have no desire to provide it to them.
  • There's also a significant number of devs leaving Steam "in the other direction" and releasing games primarily/exclusively on itch.io or similar. Due to having all potential profit wiped out due to a typo in an algorithm/completion wording.

IMHO these issues the are a subset of the true hot mess of "The complete unsustainability of game development on many scales."

Avatar image for sethmode
SethMode

2198

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#27 SethMode  Online

@shiftygism: Between both of your posts, you're very vague. Can you explain what you're referring to more clearly? To steal a reddit term, perhaps explain it to me like I'm 5.

Avatar image for dudeglove
dudeglove

13828

Forum Posts

1166

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 2

User Lists: 2

#28  Edited By dudeglove

Certain "professional enthusiasts" within the gaming media misusing their platform, being called out on it left and right by sensible folks on YouTube, leading some within that ever dwindling circle to go into panic mode with hit-piece articles, demonetization campaigns, and trying to link them to bullshit from years back in sad attempts at slowing down the inevitable shift in where people get their gaming news, reviews, etc.

There's literally too many people this dubious description could qualify for, but you've reminded me of "Dr. Disrespect" and Twitch's pathetic response to his behavior at E3.

Avatar image for ripelivejam
ripelivejam

13278

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

Not gonna lie, even if some of it is deserved the overwhelming cynicism of this bit especially amongst the community bums me out.

I know it's early but I hope they do the same as last year and just spend the first day on the joie de vivre of good ass videogames.

Avatar image for thepanzini
ThePanzini

761

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@magnetphonics: IMHO these issues the are a subset of the true hot mess of "The complete unsustainability of game development on many scales."

Whenever a studio closes or a publisher does something boneheaded this phrase pops up we are nowhere near this being remotely true.

Gaming is absolutely massive its outpaced movies and music combined and still continues to grow. The industry is also so diverse across console, pc and mobile without even considering AAA, indie and F2P even if something implodes for the rest it'll be business as usual, a prime example is the US video game crash in the 80's which barely touched Europe at all.

Avatar image for captain_insano
Captain_Insano

3553

Forum Posts

841

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 5

User Lists: 15

@relkin said:

Did I miss something, or does the Sekiro thing not come even remotely close to qualifying as a mess, hot or no?

Some people made it into a mess regarding accessibility, which is a valid concern but I definitely don't think it is a 'mess' or 'hot mess' at all

There have been some crackers so far this year, but surely the magician Randy Pitchford has this award locked down.

Avatar image for rahf
Rahf

582

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#32  Edited By Rahf

In a way Anthem takes the cake for me, but not because of the game itself being a dramatic mess. It signals the continuing deterioration of the Bioware brand.

Somebody said wet fart, and that feels fitting. The game looked mostly uninspired and boring from the first trailer, with some cool visuals. Every journalist with a lick of analytical capability were tight-lipped and showied no signs of the game having stand-out aspects or design choices. A studied, calculated development choice that didn't quite stick the landing and was quickly passed on to insignificance.

Avatar image for shiftygism
Shiftygism

1220

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#33  Edited By Shiftygism

@sethmode: Yeah, I'm being intentionally vague as I mentioned several of the folks involved...in what may or may not be one overall narrative...are friends of, or work in the same offices of the Beast crew and from how much traction their reviews, opinions, and orchestrated attacks have received, I thought that vagueness wouldn't lead to any confusion as it, or the hit-piece at least, was a pretty big deal leading into E3 within the YouTube gaming community. My apologies.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r-EQoCAnCiU

Avatar image for gundato
Gundato

455

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#34  Edited By Gundato

@shiftygism: Saw the original article a while back and the various follow ups

I guess that probably falls more into an overall discussion of the increasingly subscriber/patreon oriented models. While I REALLY dislike the term "outrage culture" due to its connotations, there are definitely a lot of youtubers and streamers whose entire model is built upon saying why they hate things. When I was tuning in to the Devolver E3 thing the folk on before them seemed to go out of their way to round table to the person who hated the previous press conference (Bethesda?) the most for any individual segment.

It is a vicious cycle. Folk get a fanbase and subscriptions. They try to change a bit. They see their income drop. They have to course correct back to give people what they want. Back when Game Attack (the remnants of Screw Attack) first started up they were pretty open about that.. even as they stopped doing any retro gaming and increasingly focused on pubg. But you can see similar aspects in terms of the streamers who lose significant income if they take a day or two off and so forth. I would at least partially argue that idiots like Pewdiepie and bathroom-man and the dumbfuck who filmed a corpse are as much a product of their communities egging them on than anything else.

And, unfortunately, for some demographics that includes promoting the "the game journalists are lying to you. we are your real friends" narrative. I would have hoped that said game journalists would continue to take the high road, but THEY are also being hurt (this was a topic on the E3 couch last year and even partially this year).

Highlighting one specific article is like distilling the crunch problem to just Anthem or Rockstar. In this case it is a community wide problem.

But it is also one that GB are probably a bit too close to to give a proper discussion. On a MUCH smaller scale, but just look at all the hell they went through to get the GTA Heists working. You don't do that because you think it is a cool idea. You do that because you know your subscribers want it and it will play well.

---

Mostly poking fun: But I laughed out loud when the like/subscribe/whatever text popped up while the guy was claiming it was a hit piece

Avatar image for rejizzle
Rejizzle

1175

Forum Posts

10

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 1

#35  Edited By Rejizzle

Randy is a shoo in for this. How could the man who lost his work/barely legal magic pornography USB at a medieval times not win this thing? Combine that with all of the other crazy shit going around this muggle, and Randy could basically sweep the category. Nothing else even comes close to the walking disaster that is this man.

Anthem was also pretty bad. Not being accused of throwing underaged molestation parties with you millions of dollars of misappropriated funds bad, but it had a rough launch nonetheless.

Avatar image for acura_max
Acura_Max

779

Forum Posts

63

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#36  Edited By Acura_Max

My vote every year has and always been EA. I don't like their work environment and their shady business practices. Hundreds and maybe thousands have been layed off because of them after being acquired. And yet, they like to play the victim.

Poor babies.
Poor babies.

Avatar image for bisonhero
BisonHero

11691

Forum Posts

625

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 2

Is it right to call Anthem the hottest mess? Based on that Kotaku article about the development of Anthem, I feel like the hot mess is broadly the leadership at BioWare and their EA overlords. Again, based on the article, it sounds like there was such a lack of proper project management or scope or milestones on Anthem, to the point where they literally had no specific vision for the game and were willing to redefine the game’s core mechanics and ideas at a moment’s notice. This is fine if you’re Valve and don’t give a fuck and 90% of your projects go nowhere and never make it out to consumers, but if you’re a BioWare, your publishers eventually says “yo dawg, this is the release date, no more extensions” and then you actually need to have given yourself proper milestones.

Anthem, in and of itself isn’t a terrible game idea, but the final product is so bad because the studio’s whole process was sabotaging any chance they had of making it good.

Avatar image for shiftygism
Shiftygism

1220

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#38  Edited By Shiftygism

@gundato: That's one way of looking at it, but if it was a community wide problem you'd think they would've targeted more appropriate content creators.

Also as far as "game jounalists" taking the high road...for some of them, I'm not holding my breath. It's not so much about them "lying" to their audience as it's the inability to not have their personal views drive the criticisms of stories that are not theirs to tell and games that don't line up with what they would've produced...then proceed to share.

I don't care which direction a person's beliefs sway but letting them fuel absurd and out of left field rants when reviewing games about zombies or scores so low they come off as click bait, just keeps the cycle of horseshit spinning riling up the idjits and yes, making things difficult for the folks in the games media that still care.

Avatar image for dizzyhippos
Dizzyhippos

4827

Forum Posts

375

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: 5

EA is definitely up there though this is multiple years in a row of EA being shitty so my money is on Randy Pitchford.

Avatar image for darkeyehails
DarkeyeHails

616

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

I really don't understand how a game being bad is the hottest mess this year or any year, really? Pitchford is a mile ahead of anything.

Avatar image for thepanzini
ThePanzini

761

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#41  Edited By ThePanzini

EA needs to actually manage their studios they're too hands off, EA should have stepped in well before Andromeda & Anthem went off the rails or even failed to get going at all.

Dice is easily hot mess 2018/19 every patch for BF5 is a comedy of errors breaking as much as they try to fix, the PC version has erratic performance for alot of players since launch Dice acknowledged yet seem unable to fix.

Avatar image for mightyduck
MightyDuck

2054

Forum Posts

6729

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 1

User Lists: -2

Wow, I forgot about some of these.

2019 was a hot mess!

Avatar image for magnetphonics
MagnetPhonics

91

Forum Posts

42

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#43  Edited By MagnetPhonics

@thepanzini: the industry will continue to exist one way or another. But that's not the same as game development being sustainable for an individual developer.

Avatar image for soulcake
soulcake

2834

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#44  Edited By soulcake

I could write a whole essay on Imperator Rome and it's addiction to mana pool game design and the lack luster features it's got. Also Paradox DLC policy has become a meme in it's community "yow if you spend a other 100 bucks this game get's good"

Also don't wanna be that guy, but didn't Dan (Ryckert) brag about farting on a dude in the Game Informer offices once?

Avatar image for soulcake
soulcake

2834

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@shiftygism: Also a good point you don't hear much about i am guessing this is about that CNET hit piece?

Avatar image for sethmode
SethMode

2198

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#46 SethMode  Online

@soulcake: As far as Ryckert being a shitbag at GI, I don't get its relevance to 2019 and Riot? Dan Ryckert being an ass at a previous job doesn't change that the COO of a HUGE company, in a position of tremendous power, isnt a HUGE, sexist asshole and overall sounds like a terrible person.

Avatar image for soulcake
soulcake

2834

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

@sethmode: Maybe don't just fart on people no matter what your position is in a company that seems not too much to ask.

Avatar image for sethmode
SethMode

2198

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#48 SethMode  Online

@soulcake: I don't know where you got that I was an advocate for farting on people? You're the one that brought it up.

I'm just saying what Dan did at a previous company is irrelevant to what happened in 2019 at Riot.

Avatar image for soulcake
soulcake

2834

Forum Posts

1

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#49  Edited By soulcake

@sethmode: I don't know, shouldn't we judge people on there actions? (just thinking out loud here). Which make both folks look like a bunch of "asses".

Avatar image for sethmode
SethMode

2198

Forum Posts

0

Wiki Points

0

Followers

Reviews: 0

User Lists: 0

#50  Edited By SethMode  Online

@soulcake: I mean, sure. Do you think Dan should be a candidate for hottest mess in 2019 because of what he did maybe a decade ago at GI?

I'm just trying to understand the connection you're making here. If you're just trying to say Dan is an ass, there are plenty of relevant places to say it and a lot of people, myself included, would agree with you for even more reasons that him farting on a person, but certainly including that. Just, what value does that have in a conversation about hottest mess in 2019, and regarding Riot?