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#1 Posted by Johnnybombazini (24 posts) -

People seems really mixed on both.

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#2 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19836 posts) -

What.

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Majora's Mask.

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#3 Edited by falling_fast (2905 posts) -

I really liked max payne 3... and majora's mask :/

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#4 Posted by yoshimitz707 (2539 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: Hmm, the only problem there is that Majora's Mask is the best game ever and Max Payne is merely awesome.

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#5 Posted by Landon (4137 posts) -

No. Also, the same could be said for Mass Effect 3 and Resident Evil 6.

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#6 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19836 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

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#7 Edited by Phatmac (5930 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

Chrono Cross is a good game while MP3 is an okay game.

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#8 Edited by Fredchuckdave (10205 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Max Payne 2.

As far as Doom 3 goes: Shitloads of hype, the Doom name was still an invincible fortress at the time; consisting of a mixture of nostalgia and a pretty excellent experience at the time it was released (Doom 2 final level still the most iconic level in any FPS I'd say). Max Payne is a decent series but it sure as shit isn't Doom in terms of influence and even being brought up in the "Violence in video games" debates of yore. People have heard of Doom who know nothing about games, I don't think Max Payne reaches as far. That said Max Payne 2 is possibly the second best third person shooter ever next to Uncharted 2 (RE4 as well if you want to count that).

Hell Doom is such an iconic IP that its worst game was just re-released with heavy advertising as though Doom 3 was some sort of masterpiece instead of a middling bizarre non-Doomlike experience that was perpetually pitch black.

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#9 Edited by ShaggE (8394 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is this generation's sequel to Max Payne 2.

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#10 Edited by ArbitraryWater (14683 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

So you are saying that Max Payne 3 is a horrific mess that acts as a bastardized sequel that everyone has reversed their opinion on after giving high amounts of praise?

(for the record I've played only a few hours of CC and exactly zero MP3, so I wouldn't know either way)

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#11 Edited by Fredchuckdave (10205 posts) -

@Phatmac: Chrono Cross is a fucking incredible soundtrack, has excellent art design, world design, best New Game + mechanic; but it's still not a very good game despite that; (much love to Dario) cursed nonsensical plots, lack of challenge, mediocre battle system, and one of the worst final bosses ever.

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#12 Posted by The_Nubster (3153 posts) -
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#13 Posted by kerse (2450 posts) -

ME3 is definitely much closer to that.

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#14 Posted by CrossTheAtlantic (1154 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: It's this generation's Bioshock 2.

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#15 Posted by WMWA (1223 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is on my short list for GOTY. Wasn't expecting anything from it, and it floored me. That airport sequence with that song in the background. Man

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#16 Posted by FluxWaveZ (19836 posts) -

@CrossTheAtlantic: Max Payne 3 is this generation's L.A. Noire.

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#17 Edited by PeasantAbuse (5098 posts) -

Doom 3 is this generation's Doom 3.

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#18 Posted by Johnnybombazini (24 posts) -

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#19 Posted by jorbear (2570 posts) -

I really enjoyed Max Payne 3.

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#20 Posted by jacksmedulla (310 posts) -

@yoshimitz707 said:

@FluxWaveZ: Hmm, the only problem there is that Majora's Mask is the best game ever and Max Payne is merely awesome.

Yep.

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#21 Posted by CrossTheAtlantic (1154 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ: Max Payne 3 is this generation's Halo 4.

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#22 Posted by ShaggE (8394 posts) -

@Johnnybombazini said:

Doom 3 is a sequel to Max Payne 2!?

Mind. Blown. Oh my god, this changes EVERYTHING.

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#23 Posted by Klei (1798 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

No.

This. And Max Payne 3 is one of the best third person shooter's i've played. On the PC, of course. Not on that 20-25 frames per second console version.

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#24 Posted by sammo21 (5291 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is this year's average 3rd person shooter with a penchant for using a gimmick way too much and offering little to no gameplay variety or creativity. Ripping off Man on Fire sounds great, but not like MP3.

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#25 Edited by Hunkulese (4008 posts) -

@Johnnybombazini: It's a pretty silly comparison because the mixed opinions were for completely different reasons. People didn't like Doom 3 because they made another Doom game and didn't really advance the genre they just made it look better. People didn't like Max Payne 3 because it strayed too far away from what people liked about the first 2 games. If you're just talking about hyped up games that got mixed reviews you can compare 80% of this generations games with 80% of some other generation.

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#26 Posted by WarlordPayne (774 posts) -

I'd say it's more like GTA 4. It strayed from what a lot of fans loved about the series and alienated a bunch of people because of it.

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#27 Posted by Johnnybombazini (24 posts) -

Oh yeah, also, NiGHTS

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#28 Posted by MEATBALL (4231 posts) -

I don't like Max Payne 3 so it must be awful to everyone. Maybe I should start a topic that poses a really stupid question that compares it to some other game people hated so I can feel validated.

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#29 Posted by Redbullet685 (6453 posts) -

@wmaustin55 said:

Max Payne 3 is on my short list for GOTY. Wasn't expecting anything from it, and it floored me. That airport sequence with that song in the background. Man

This song is so god damn good. That airport section is one of the best parts of MP3. Though I did like the game a lot as a whole.

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#30 Posted by crithon (3979 posts) -

Has to be a game you upgrade your pc to play, and the game is kinda meh but you still dig it.

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#31 Posted by kishinfoulux (3243 posts) -

@wmaustin55 said:

Max Payne 3 is on my short list for GOTY. Wasn't expecting anything from it, and it floored me. That airport sequence with that song in the background. Man

Seriously. I picked it up on a whim and it blew me away.

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#32 Posted by Little_Socrates (5844 posts) -

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Max Payne 3.

It's way easier to like that game when you've seen Man On Fire and understand that they didn't just take Man on Fire and do that, they actually improved it in about six or seven different ways because Man on Fire is kind of a shit movie by comparison. MP3 is kind of neat now that I have some distance and have seen that movie. Playing it was a real chore, though.

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#33 Posted by BestUsernameEver (5026 posts) -

@Landon said:

No. Also, the same could be said for Mass Effect 3 and Resident Evil 6.

Those are way better examples, the worst I heard about Max payne by people is that it's a great game that kind of doesn't feel like a max payne game.

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#34 Posted by Terramagi (1167 posts) -

@FluxWaveZ said:

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

As somebody who played Chrono Cross to completion, those 'r fightin' words.

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#35 Posted by bluefish (858 posts) -

Interesting parallel but I'll still say no. It's as close a comparison as I can think of but I still don't think it applies.

DOOM is just too well loved, and probably half the people that asked about Max 3 had never heard of the series. (work at game store)

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#36 Posted by Willin (1387 posts) -

Saints Row 2 is this generation's Madden NFL 2003

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#37 Posted by Cloudenvy (5893 posts) -

@Terramagi said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

As somebody who played Chrono Cross to completion, those 'r fightin' words.

This was probably one of the last threads where I expected to be reminded that I've still yet to beat Chrono Cross.

Also, Doom 3: BFG Edition is this generation's Doom 3.

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#38 Edited by AssInAss (3254 posts) -

@The_Nubster said:

No.

Perfect :D

Max Payne 3 is a sequel no one wanted when the story was already canonically finished, and this one added nothing to the mythos. It's made by another developer and it shows in the lack of charm like having dialogue between enemies chilling out or humor or little story bits in the environment.

Let's not forget the technical shit like unskippable LONG (and sometimes pointless) cutscenes that can't even be done away in the PC version. And then the nauseating Man on Fire effects that don't even make sense.

The only thing that saves it is the shooting, and even then Euphoria can get a little clunky for movement.

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#39 Posted by deactivated-57beb9d651361 (4541 posts) -

@Phatmac said:

@FluxWaveZ said:

Max Payne 3 is this generation's Chrono Cross.

Chrono Cross is a good game while MP3 is an okay game.

This just in: opinions!

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#40 Posted by ShaggE (8394 posts) -

@AssInAss said:

Max Payne 3 is a sequel no one wanted when the story was already canonically finished

Dunno about that, I seem to recall people really wanting a third game for a long time, myself included.

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#41 Posted by Firepaw (3053 posts) -

@ShaggE said:

@AssInAss said:

Max Payne 3 is a sequel no one wanted when the story was already canonically finished

Dunno about that, I seem to recall people really wanting a third game for a long time, myself included.

I'm with you on that, I really wanted a Max Payne 3.

I did like the game, but it still didn't feel like a Max Payne game, the defining factor of Max Payne is (in my opinion at least) the touches Remedy added to it - and Rockstar had very little of that touch.

In fact, I would probably like Max Payne 3 more if it was a different franchise, and didn't bear the Max Payne name.

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#42 Posted by MrKlorox (11142 posts) -

Alan Wake is this generation's Doom 3.

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#43 Posted by Nottle (1933 posts) -

Why did people not care for MP3?

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#44 Posted by mordukai (8480 posts) -

Now where's when you need him?

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#45 Posted by DeF (5360 posts) -

@Johnnybombazini said:

People seems really mixed on both.

you act like Max Payne 3 is the only game this gen that has gotten mixed reviews.

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#47 Posted by Bell_End (1234 posts) -

i enjoyed the fuck out of MP3 on the PC this year.

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#48 Posted by bybeach (5670 posts) -

I don't think it is GOTY, but Max Payne is a solid conender. Of course I thought Deus EX; Human Revolution was a contender last year so what do I know...

Max 3 was already a violent game, but Rockstar as usual needed to bang that all up to 11... and thats not always the best thing to do..a little gratuitous, really. However they did design other mechanitions into Max Payne 3 wso that it was indeed an honest continuation of Remedy's creation, in spirit and action. Just lowering his gun so that one gang leader could say a nice hello to the docter that had been vivisecting his ppl... that was good enough

I always saw Doom 3 as a game other's bitched about but I liked. Max Payne, to put it simply and succintly, is even a nuch better game, and graphically, story wise and game mechanics, has deeo direct connections to it'd 3-d predecessrs.

Bullet-time, anyone?

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#49 Posted by TobbRobb (6083 posts) -

@kishinfoulux: But did it FLOOR you?

@Cloudenvy: Don't finish Crono Cross. Just listen to the soundtrack and google all the fucked party members.

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#50 Edited by YOU_DIED (712 posts) -

@Nottle said:

Why did people not care for MP3?

It lost a lot of what was good about the originals and it just didn't feel right.

- They made it so you could only carry like 3 or 4 guns instead of a shitload like in MP 1/2.

- The movement feels way too weighty.

- In the first two you were able to dodge bullets by jumping left and right (not the slow-mo shoot dodge, just a regular side roll), they basically replaced that with a cover system which is pretty lame. Instead of dodging bullets, combat amounts to hiding in cover, enabling bullet time, then popping out and shooting a few dudes, repeat.

- The setting is not very interesting and it isn't in the noir, pulpy style like the originals.

- Max spends way too much time wallowing in self-loathing, to the point where it gets really old.

- The games story is basically a critique of the hedonistic lifestyle of the rich and famous (typical Rockstar game). It takes itself way too seriously. While the previous games had some dark moments, there were always silly elements to them that made you laugh (like Lords and Ladies, a show that appeared on the in-game televisions).

- I also liked all the little touches in the environments in the first two, like you could interact with everything, which is mostly absent in MP 3.

I can go on if you want. While there are some good action moments it just doesn't feel like a proper Max Payne game. I guess it's just a case of 'not doing what it says on the tin'.

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