" Jack Tretton is a fucking boss. "N O O N E is more authentic. Realest mother fucker on tha block.
Jack Tretton calls Nintendo Handhelds a "Babysitting Tool"
" Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat.
" @JasonR86 said:I didn't realize this was a debate..." Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat. "
Um, who has sold more systems? Exactly. This guy needs to shut his mouth.
I know plenty of adults who aren't embarrassed to play the Nintendo DS or Wii. We don't think it's immature. We think it's fun.
" Um, who has sold more systems? Exactly. This guy needs to shut his mouth.I know plenty of adults who aren't embarrassed to play the Nintendo DS or Wii. We don't think it's immature. We think it's fun. "Fun is for babies. So says Mr. Tretton.
" @HandsomeDead said:Maybe not, but you're critiquing him on a point he wasn't making." @JasonR86 said:I didn't realize this was a debate... "" Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat. "
It feels ironic that he is shitting on the parts of Nintendo that Sony is failing at.
" @JasonR86 said:It wasn't really a critique of what he said explicitly but what was implied. He's making an implicit comment on Nintendo's business model by what was explicitly said. My comment was about what was implied, or at least what I believe was implied. Anyone who makes a comment that somehow Nintendo's business model is flawed, bad or whatever negative word one would like to use doesn't realize how stupidly rich that company is." @HandsomeDead said:Maybe not, but you're critiquing him on a point he wasn't making. "" @JasonR86 said:I didn't realize this was a debate... "" Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat. "
I understand Tretton was making comments in hopes of bad-mouthing Sony's competition. But silly, bad-mouthing still comes with implications that I can disagree with.
" @HandsomeDead said:But his implication is pretty much that Nintendo's business model is aiming for the lowest common denominator, which isn't wrong and him stating that he doesn't want to do that with the PSP isn't a bad thing either. Admittedly, I feel like he's aiming for a niche in the market that is already taken by Apple but he also definitely aware of the brand identity he wants and it's not a toy that's sold to adults and kids alike by Beyonce." @JasonR86 said:It wasn't really a critique of what he said explicitly but what was implied. He's making an implicit comment on Nintendo's business model by what was explicitly said. My comment was about what was implied, or at least what I believe was implied. Anyone who makes a comment that somehow Nintendo's business model is flawed, bad or whatever negative word one would like to use doesn't realize how stupidly rich that company is. I understand Tretton was making comments in hopes of bad-mouthing Sony's competition. But silly, bad-mouthing still comes with implications that I can disagree with. "" @HandsomeDead said:Maybe not, but you're critiquing him on a point he wasn't making. "" @JasonR86 said:I didn't realize this was a debate... "" Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat. "
" @JasonR86 said:Yeah, I get that his comments on the business model is fine from a philosophical standpoint. But, strictly from a business standpoint, I would try to learn as much as I can from Nintendo because they know how to make a lot of money especially in the handheld market. Ultimately, I think Sony is more interested in making money than making a philosophical statement. I think it would be nice if this model would lead to a strong profit but, unless I'm mistaken, the PSP had a similar model and, though that system wasn't a failure, it couldn't come close to the DS. I think if they use a similar business model with the NGP they will see the same results." @HandsomeDead said:But his implication is pretty much that Nintendo's business model is aiming for the lowest common denominator, which isn't wrong and him stating that he doesn't want to do that with the PSP isn't a bad thing either. Admittedly, I feel like he's aiming for a niche in the market that is already taken by Apple but he also definitely aware of the brand identity he wants and it's not a toy that's sold to adults and kids alike by Beyonce. "" @JasonR86 said:It wasn't really a critique of what he said explicitly but what was implied. He's making an implicit comment on Nintendo's business model by what was explicitly said. My comment was about what was implied, or at least what I believe was implied. Anyone who makes a comment that somehow Nintendo's business model is flawed, bad or whatever negative word one would like to use doesn't realize how stupidly rich that company is. I understand Tretton was making comments in hopes of bad-mouthing Sony's competition. But silly, bad-mouthing still comes with implications that I can disagree with. "" @HandsomeDead said:Maybe not, but you're critiquing him on a point he wasn't making. "" @JasonR86 said:I didn't realize this was a debate... "" Money doesn't lie and Nintendo has a shit ton of it despite whatever Tretton has to say. "It's good to see you taking the debate to an area that Tretton didn't even approach in his statements and acting like he's beat. "
Yeah I mean not a lot of people pull out their DS's out in public. But y'know what? I still think they're gonna do pretty alright for themselves. Sony's bragging about sustaining technology because that's the one thing they got going for them. It's silly to bash a company who's platform was profitable from day one when your company is still trying to break even (someone can correct me if PS3 hardware is now profitable, I haven't been keeping up).
" Um, who has sold more systems? Exactly. This guy needs to shut his mouth.I know plenty of adults who aren't embarrassed to play the Nintendo DS or Wii. We don't think it's immature. We think it's fun. "And I know plenty who are. Honestly it's not a strech of the imagination to say that Nintendo caters to kids. See their lack of M-rated games for one or their adamant support for friend codes (those aren't there for adults).
" Yeah, I get that his comments on the business model is fine from a philosophical standpoint. But, strictly from a business standpoint, I would try to learn as much as I can from Nintendo because they know how to make a lot of money especially in the handheld market. Ultimately, I think Sony is more interested in making money than making a philosophical statement. I think it would be nice if this model would lead to a strong profit but, unless I'm mistaken, the PSP had a similar model and, though that system wasn't a failure, it couldn't come close to the DS. I think if they use a similar business model with the NGP they will see the same results. "Obviously all companies want a profit, but I feel there's a much different ethos in how Sony want to get it from Nintendo. The DS has a dominating market share and so trying to ape that is going to get them nowhere but, like I say, the whole media device angle that they're going for is run by Apple at this point so I'd have said they were the target Tretton should be focusing on. The video game business has always been about intellectual lowballing and consumer nickel and diming and the idea of Sony trying to get away from that is something that I appreciate, even if it has failed in the past. It's a poor analogy for the point you and others are making, but it's like the idea that Michael Bay and Roland Emmerich's styles should be aped in movies because their films make the most at the box office.
I find his statements pretty accurate. Everytime i see my nieces and nephews they are glued to their ds's.
On the other end of the spectrum, I'm 27 im not going to whip out a ds - fair enough if you have no social life, but i cant see myself getting away with that infront of any friends and family i know. If its a hi tech little gadget i use networking and internet like an iphone or the new psp, well thats different.
The ds is far more suited for kids, nothing wrong with that. But dont pretend mature adults whip this thing out.
" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws...
" @DeeGee said:Do you have proof of this?" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws... "
I always got the impression Nintendo try to reach out to everyone.
" @Enigma777 said:Proof of what? That the main audience for Nintendo handhelds is kids? Like I said before see lack of M-rated games, friend codes and the general way most games a re stylized to appeal to a younger audience." @DeeGee said:Do you have proof of this?I always got the impression Nintendo try to reach out to everyone. "" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws... "
" @Kjellm87 said:Ok, here is what I gathered of this discussion and my consclusion: I think the 20+ DS userbase is more than huge enough so that Jack dude can keep comments like that for himself. It has no positive effect on any costumer. The DS is kids friendly, but I wouldn't consider it a kids handheld. It also have M rated games." @Enigma777 said:Proof of what? That the main audience for Nintendo handhelds is kids? Like I said before see lack of M-rated games, friend codes and the general way most games a re stylized to appeal to a younger audience." @DeeGee said:Do you have proof of this?I always got the impression Nintendo try to reach out to everyone. "" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws... "A good way to think about it is this: Nintendo is like the Pixar movies. Though their primary appeal is to kids there's enough in there that adults can also enjoy them."
The way you putted it in the end there was nice enough btw.
" @DeeGee said:@Enigma777 said:" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws... "
" @Kjellm87 said:" @Enigma777 said:Proof of what? That the main audience for Nintendo handhelds is kids? Like I said before see lack of M-rated games, friend codes and the general way most games a re stylized to appeal to a younger audience." @DeeGee said:Do you have proof of this?I always got the impression Nintendo try to reach out to everyone. "" @Enigma777: He didn't say their main target is that at all, he's just saying that adults buy these things too, while Tretton maintains that they are only for kids. "Again, I still don't see the problem here. If 90% of the demographic is kids are you really going to get upset he didn't mention the other 10%? Sounds to me like picking at straws... "A good way to think about it is this: Nintendo is like the Pixar movies. Though their primary appeal is to kids there's enough in there that adults can also enjoy them."
" @damnboyadvance said:Sure, there are males aged 18-35 embarrassed to play the Nintendo DS. But Tretton calls anybody 20+ "too old" to play the Nintendo DS. Or at least, any "self-respecting" twenty year old." Um, who has sold more systems? Exactly. This guy needs to shut his mouth.I know plenty of adults who aren't embarrassed to play the Nintendo DS or Wii. We don't think it's immature. We think it's fun. "And I know plenty who are. Honestly it's not a strech of the imagination to say that Nintendo caters to kids. See their lack of M-rated games for one or their adamant support for friend codes (those aren't there for adults).Now I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that. Hell Big N makes a killing selling their toys to kids, but lets not lie to ourselves and say that the main target for their stuff is 18-35 males."
That's obviously not true.
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