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Jim Stirling is a Horse-face (Blog Post)

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This is not a post about hating Jim Sterling, although I admit I have a fairly intense dislike of him. He comes across as the worst kind of immature asshole. Take for example his “JimQuisition” videos. Almost every time I try to watch one, I get about a minute in before turning it off in distaste; I can only take so many fart jokes and comments about penises before I can feel my IQ start to plummet. It’s unfortunate, because if you actually manage to get past his juvenile sense of humor, he actually has some pretty interesting things to say.

Specifically, I found his episode of JimQuisition from a couple of weeks ago quite thought provoking. The video covers the recent lawsuit against Warner Bros. and 5th Cell by the holders of the Nyan Cat and Keyboard Cat copyrights. Apparently, the developers of Scibblenauts included representations of these characters in the game without first seeking permission to use them. Mr. Sterling was quite tickled; he found it ironic that the same big corporations that are typically quick to sue people into oblivion for threatening their own copyrights are now being targeted by the “little guys.” By itself, I don’t really find this topic all that interesting. It seems to be a pretty basic copyright suit, and I’m not a copyright kind of guy. What I did find interesting is what comes towards the end of the video, where Mr. Sterling says that he hates the way copyright law works in general. Although he doesn’t specifically state what he doesn’t like about it, he clearly thinks the current system is inadequate and needs an overhaul. This got me to thinking about video games and the Law of the Horse.

Now I know what your thinking; the Law of the Horse? Really? This is one of those stupid Internet things isn’t it? Well, no. It’s an actual thing.

The Law of the Horse is a theory developed by a guy named Gerhard Casper, and popularized by Judge Easterbrook of the 7th Circuit Court of Appeals. The basic theory states all “real” subject areas can be broken down into a set of unique underlying principles. Now of course it is possible to take just about any random set of ideas, throw a textbook together and teach it as a subject. However, the key idea of the Law of the Horse is that to be worthwhile to pursue, the principles underlying an area of study must be (1) unique and (2) serve to unify the individual parts of what is being studied. In other words, by choosing to study a particular topic, you are learning ideas that that you wouldn’t learn by studying another topic.

For example, Judge Easterbrook lists Contracts as a “real” area of study. In law school, students are typically required to take Contracts the first year. They literally read hundreds of cases, each dealing with a separate contract. These cases span centuries of time, and deal with a multitude of different contractual subjects. However, they are all unified by an underlying set of principles; what makes a contract, determining when a contract has been breached, interpreting linguistic ambiguity, etc. Not only do these principles serve to unify all of the cases that students read, by they are also unique to the study of Contracts – you would not see the same principles come up in, for example, a course on Criminal Law.

At the other end of the spectrum from “real” subjects is the eponymous “Law of the Horse.” Judge Easterbrook postulates that it would be possible to collect every case that deals in some way with horses and aggregate these into a class called “Horse Law.” Such a class might involve reading about cases where a horse kicked someone, cases where a horse jumped a fence, and cases involving the sale of horses. Now, all of these cases would certainly have a superficial commonality; they all deal with horses. However, it is also difficult to find any unifying set of principles that underlie “Horse Law.” Even if such principles could be discerned, they wouldn’t be any different than principles already covered in other subject areas. The examples above, for instance, could easily be dealt with using concepts from other areas of law. A horse kicking someone, for example, is a pretty run of the mill tort case involving simple negligence. Therefore, although it would certainly be possible to teach a class on Horse Law, it wouldn’t really add anything to unique to the study of law, and is therefore not a viable topic.

In the legal community, the Law of the Horse typically comes up in debates regarding whether specific laws are needed to handle new technologies and sweeping social changes, or if existing law can be sufficiently adapted to the problems. The recent debate, for example, has centered around the internet. Some lawyers claim that the internet is so unique that a new body of “Internet Law” is needed. New tax laws, new privacy laws, and new copyright laws are all required to handle the sweeping changes brought about by the internet. Those who think that existing law is sufficient to handle issues created by the internet are likely to say “Oh, Internet Law, that’s just Law of the Horse.”

So how does all of this relate to video games?

Well, Mr. Sterling clearly thinks that current copyright law is broken. Now, copyright law has been around a long, long time, so it clearly had some merit at some point in the past. The question, therefore, is whether there is something specific about video games (or other digital media) that makes them so unique that current copyright law cannot handle the legal issues they create. In short, is there a developing need for “Video Game Law,” or would this just be Law of the Horse? There is support for both sides.

This guy, for example, clearly seems to think that video games (or “augmented reality”) as he calls it, is a discrete subject area. I’m on the other side of the fence. I don’t think that video games are unique enough to deserve their own area of law. Or at least, if they are, they would be a smaller part of a larger area of law that has yet to really be developed. I think trying to discuss “video game law” or “augmented reality” law is really more of an attempt to create a market for services than it is a legitimate attempt to create a new subject area. If you look at the link above, that seems to be what’s happening. The writer is clearly attempting to create a need that will lead people to hire him, and I won’t begrudge him that. In fact, it’s smart business – but that doesn’t make it law.

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I don't know who this Jim Stirling guy is but Jim Sterling is pretty great; as are his Jimquisition videos.

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I don't think we necessarily need new copyright laws, but I do think our current laws are being applied inappropriately in a number of ways.

Patent law is totally screwed up, though.

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#4  Edited By fattony12000
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"Still" "the" "best" "podcast" "about" "video games".

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#5  Edited By MikkaQ

From a legal perspective I see no difference between including Nyan Cat in your video game or Nyan Cat in your movie. It's all dealing with copyright and is not specific to games in any way. So I would agree that it is "Law of the Horse".

I think we do need to take a good look at copyright law and update it with consideration of modern technology though. However, copyright law is a pretty distinct area of law that is unique to itself. It is worthy of careful study.

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You do know that his persona is a satire of how people view him, right?

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He was the first to understand the greatness that was Deadly Premonition

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#8  Edited By LackingSaint

@shivermetimbers said:

You do know that his persona is a satire of how people view him, right?

I don't get how this is relevant to anything. How does "He does it on purpose" forgive him being totally whiney, obnoxious, crass and opinionated on basically every subject? Satire is one of my favourite varieties of comedy, but this isn't entertainment, this is "hahaha i was only pretending to be an annoying idiot!" Plenty of people pull the "loud, cynical games industry personality" shtick far better than Sterling, and one guy even pulls the "loud, cynical, british games reviewer" shtick better than him.

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@lackingsaint said:

@shivermetimbers said:

You do know that his persona is a satire of how people view him, right?

I don't get how this is relevant to anything. How does "He does it on purpose" forgive him being totally whiney, obnoxious, crass and opinionated on basically every subject? Satire is one of my favourite varieties of comedy, but this isn't entertainment, this is "hahaha i was only pretending to be an annoying idiot!" Plenty of people pull the "loud, cynical games industry personality" shtick far better than Sterling, and one guy even pulls the "loud, cynical, british games reviewer" shtick better than him.

And what exactly is wrong with being opinionated? Put aside his persona at the minute, since the persona is simply a vessel for him to perform an opinion piece, and actually listen to what he says about his chosen subject matter for each episode of the Jimquisition. He's got his head screwed on straight and is a great advocate for consumer rights and only seems to want a bit more honesty and integrity from the people he talks down upon. He may go about it in an odd way, but to be honest, I think the guy has some pretty fuckin' good opinions on things. Plus it takes genuinely opinionated people to ever make any changes. He's loud, obnoxious and opinionated because he kind of has to be. If he just tip-toed the middle of the road, it would defeat the entire point of him delivering a strong opinion piece in the first place.

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@fattony12000 said:
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"Still" "the" "best" "podcast" "about" "video games".

I don't really follow Jim but yes, Podtoid is just something else...incredible.

Also yeah I have never understood people who find him annoying, when he wants to be he has great points to make about subjects around gaming, and he's just a crazy/ridiculous funny guy.

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#11  Edited By truthtellah

@lawgamer: Your post is significantly better than your title and your first paragraph would suggest.

It reminds me a bit of a discussion I was having earlier this evening about Nintendo's new efforts to stop Let's Play video creators from getting ad revenue. Let's Play videos, along with content like that of Giant Bomb, are still somewhat murky legal areas, and it does leave content creators with the chance that a company might just one day decide to object to them and cut off their revenue. It's a precarious position that will hopefully be addressed or changed in the future. Though, videogames are such a young medium that it's hard to really peg down specific laws surrounding them or how they fit into current laws. Like the legal issues with photography before it(along with many other mediums), videogames will likely continue with a good bit of uncertainty until more lawyers and politicians are familiar with them and interested in solving some of the legal ambiguity surrounding them.

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#12  Edited By kishinfoulux

I don't know who this Jim Stirling guy is but Jim Sterling is pretty great; as are his Jimquisition videos.

Topic was over here.

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@lysergica33 said:

@lackingsaint said:

@shivermetimbers said:

You do know that his persona is a satire of how people view him, right?

I don't get how this is relevant to anything. How does "He does it on purpose" forgive him being totally whiney, obnoxious, crass and opinionated on basically every subject? Satire is one of my favourite varieties of comedy, but this isn't entertainment, this is "hahaha i was only pretending to be an annoying idiot!" Plenty of people pull the "loud, cynical games industry personality" shtick far better than Sterling, and one guy even pulls the "loud, cynical, british games reviewer" shtick better than him.

And what exactly is wrong with being opinionated? Put aside his persona at the minute, since the persona is simply a vessel for him to perform an opinion piece, and actually listen to what he says about his chosen subject matter for each episode of the Jimquisition. He's got his head screwed on straight and is a great advocate for consumer rights and only seems to want a bit more honesty and integrity from the people he talks down upon. He may go about it in an odd way, but to be honest, I think the guy has some pretty fuckin' good opinions on things. Plus it takes genuinely opinionated people to ever make any changes. He's loud, obnoxious and opinionated because he kind of has to be. If he just tip-toed the middle of the road, it would defeat the entire point of him delivering a strong opinion piece in the first place.

I dunno, I find the opinions of Jeff, Brad, Ryan, Patrick and many others at GiantBomb totally valid, and I would never call them "loud and obnoxious". In fact, most of the game-industry critics I like, such as Investig8tive Journalism and Tasteful, Understated Nerdrage, manage to make points on the direction of the industry and games themselves, all without having to belabor and exaggerate their points in a super patronising way. If you can show me how exactly Jim has "affected change" in any way more than any of the people i've listed, go ahead, but i'm fed up with people like him and TotalBiscuit leading the charge of this new age of games personalities that are just cynical and hyperbolic about everything.

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I mentioned this earlier - I think the fact that video games are interactive and therefore no two experiences are precisely the same warrants a slightly different legal perspective, or at least an amendment of some sort. Playing the game and watching someone play the game are two different experiences, unlike every other art form out there. Hearing a book read and reading it yourself, watching a movie on Youtube and watching it on DVD, seeing a picture of a painting and seeing the painting itself, those are all comparable experiences. There's a quality difference, yes, but you're getting the same information and feedback with those. With a video game, you aren't. You might have seen the Persona 4 Endurance Run, but you didn't see them finish all of the Social Links. You didn't see them get into a relationship with Naoto. You might have done a battle differently. You might have chosen to kill Namatame. That cannot happen with a movie, music, or any other piece of art.

As far as the internet goes, it seems to be doing its own thing with works regardless of what the law has to say. If I'm remembering correctly, the concept of a Let's Play didn't even originate on Youtube. If they get squashed out of Youtube, they might fade into obscurity but they will still exist in some corners of the internet.

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I mentioned this earlier - I think the fact that video games are interactive and therefore no two experiences are precisely the same warrants a slightly different legal perspective, or at least an amendment of some sort. Playing the game and watching someone play the game are two different experiences, unlike every other art form out there. Hearing a book read and reading it yourself, watching a movie on Youtube and watching it on DVD, seeing a picture of a painting and seeing the painting itself, those are all comparable experiences. There's a quality difference, yes, but you're getting the same information and feedback with those. With a video game, you aren't. You might have seen the Persona 4 Endurance Run, but you didn't see them finish all of the Social Links. You didn't see them get into a relationship with Naoto. You might have done a battle differently. You might have chosen to kill Namatame. That cannot happen with a movie, music, or any other piece of art.

As far as the internet goes, it seems to be doing its own thing with works regardless of what the law has to say. If I'm remembering correctly, the concept of a Let's Play didn't even originate on Youtube. If they get squashed out of Youtube, they might fade into obscurity but they will still exist in some corners of the internet.

Claiming that watching somebody do a Let's Play of a video-game is equal to playing it yourself, is like claiming that listening to somebody read the Space Jam novelisation is equal to watching the movie.

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Jim Sterling is fucking awesome.

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Horse Law? Psh. Lemme know if any Bird Law comes up.

Interesting post but I know nothing about law so I'm going to keep my opinion to myself.

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#18  Edited By Oldirtybearon

@cptbedlam said:

I don't know who this Jim Stirling guy is but Jim Sterling is pretty great; as are his Jimquisition videos.

Jim Sterling is pretty cool, but he's clearly trying to punch above his weight during those Rhymedown Spectacular videos.