looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
looking forward to all of the patrick-hater haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick-haters like idiots
Looking forward to the goddamn popcorn.
EDIT: Wait, so this is about the fucking Dead Island limbless statue? There are far worse things wrong with that than simple sexism. How do you people not see that the issue is that THEY ARE MARKETING A FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE? It doesn't matter if it's male, female, or Klingon, it's a FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE. Used AS A SPECIAL EDITION BONUS.
@believer258: Busts are usually armless like that (except for the head, they got rid of that to fit the zombie motif)
This might be like the original story with all the same things coming up under the comments again right? I saw countless people posting pictures of roman style busts (I think that was the time period they were going for I cant remember what they stated) with limbs missing.
But yea like you I shall have the popcorn ready.
Well, yeah, but I don't think that Roman busts were also headless, covered in gore, and attempted to be sold as sex appeal. I can't say that I'm an expert on the matter, but I was always under the impression that they were supposed to represent something, some kind of art. This isn't. That whole limbless statue is pretty disgusting as far as I'm concerned, but the bigger problem is the gore and lack of head as a selling point, not the intended sex appeal. I just think it's terribly tasteless, and I'm a guy who plays a whole lot of gory games.
However, that idea is never going to get through the coming shitstorm.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
looking forward to all of the patrick-hater haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick-haters like idiots
Looking forward to the goddamn popcorn.
EDIT: Wait, so this is about the fucking Dead Island limbless statue? There are far worse things wrong with that than simple sexism. How do you people not see that the issue is that THEY ARE MARKETING A FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE? It doesn't matter if it's male, female, or Klingon, it's a FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE. Used AS A SPECIAL EDITION BONUS.
It's almost like Venus de Milo.
...which originally did have both arms, still has a head, and isn't covered in gore.
I was going to say something slightly snarky, but I'm just going to avoid this whole thing. It's depressing on both sides. On one hand, Patrick's putting his opinion out there as fact, which is annoying. "Booth babes are nothing but exploited women who can't take care of themselves." "Cyberpunk 2077 is disgusting." This shitty Dead Island thing has already been blown out of proportion. Honestly, I saw this thread title and thought it was parody. On the other hand, some of the community's reaction is just awful. Nope, not touching this with a ten foot poll.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
looking forward to all of the patrick-hater haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick-haters like idiots
Looking forward to the goddamn popcorn.
EDIT: Wait, so this is about the fucking Dead Island limbless statue? There are far worse things wrong with that than simple sexism. How do you people not see that the issue is that THEY ARE MARKETING A FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE? It doesn't matter if it's male, female, or Klingon, it's a FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE. Used AS A SPECIAL EDITION BONUS.
It's almost like Venus de Milo.
...which originally did have both arms, still has a head, and isn't covered in gore.
All of that true, but the women torso in the statue also had both arms and a head at one point.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
looking forward to all of the patrick-hater haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick-haters like idiots
Looking forward to the goddamn popcorn.
EDIT: Wait, so this is about the fucking Dead Island limbless statue? There are far worse things wrong with that than simple sexism. How do you people not see that the issue is that THEY ARE MARKETING A FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE? It doesn't matter if it's male, female, or Klingon, it's a FUCKING LIMBLESS STATUE. Used AS A SPECIAL EDITION BONUS.
It's almost like Venus de Milo.
...which originally did have both arms, still has a head, and isn't covered in gore.
All of that true, but the women torso in the statue also had both arms and a head at one point.
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Well, I haven't pulled this one out in a while. Goes for @Optix12 as well.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
Looking forward to all the people who think that if someone disagrees with a female or has anything negative to say whatsoever, they must be a "woman hater", because they are oh such precious and delicate fragile creatures and if they so much as breath loudly in response to one's comments, they're are going to obliterate her feelings like a nuclear warhead and are probably a serial rapist hiding in their mom's basement that has never touched a boob!
Also, I'll get it out of the way: Just because Patrick and other "journalists" lost their shit over the stupid statue (and it was incredibly stupid and repulsive) doesn't mean that the whole "this was designed by insensitive men who want to motivate other human beings to rape women and treat them like crap!". The idea that anyone actually sat there and said "it's a pair of tits with no body that is all shredded -- that's so sexy!" is absurd and anyone suggesting that is the mindset it was created with is being disingenuous. And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone. As I stated in another comment recently, human beings are complex creatures -- capable of treating a woman they're going on a date with respectfully and with great and sincere interest. Capable of treating their mother, sister, and most women they meat with kindness and decency. And also capable of disagreeing with or arguing with women about things. And, believe it or not, all of those things are still possible while occasionally objectifying them. You know, like how I might fantasize about how I'd bang the hell out of Scarlet Johanson because she's got a fucking awesome body. That doesn't make one a woman hater or a rapist or a neanderthal anymore than being a narrow-minded, single-dimensional, intentionally obtuse journalist or commentator that sees ABSOLUTELY EVERY DEPICTION OF WOMEN THAT ISN'T SAINTLY as an affront to all humankind and representative of only the most depraved male minds does. (And no, this isn't to say there aren't serious issues of gender and discrimination to talk about, but then let's talk about that instead of this trivial shit).
So, in short, I have to say that this topic is rather insincere and continuing to beat the dead horse (or zombie-bait corpse) further is just pathetic. It is truly making a mountain out of a mole-hill and it's the kind of thing I'd expect from other link-bait sites. It also continues to prove my point that "serious game journalists" are one-trick ponies who know ONLY one story to trot out when they want to be "totes serious" and have something for the resume to show off as "real journalism". And that's "oh, men are such vile pigs and sexism sexism sexism incorrect usage of misogyny but going to use it anyway, because it sounds really smart and makes my article seem totally high-brow and sympathetic".
I don't see how the rest of the world isn't suffocating from the massive puddles of insincerity oozing out of all of this, each time (and "each time" is becoming more frequent, because you can't go 48 fucking hours without more of it in the past year). These "game journalists" use this topic and exploit it and blow it out of all possible sensible proportion in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY we all bitch about the rest of the media and politicians doing about games, in general. It's the same fucking playbook. It's the same fucking insincerity and manipulation. Instead of calling people out on it, we sit around with our dicks in our hands, grunting about how everyone else is a troglodyte for every even thinking of a woman sexually and a handful of angry children spit out some hideous stuff about women, because that's what gets attention when you're ten years old. We should all be a shamed for participating in this bullshit every time patrick or some other "game journalists" trots out the same tired and trite "it's time for some GAMES JOURNALISM DAWG!" bullshit.
yep, this is pretty much what i was expecting. patrick does a great job at addressing the overt sexism you see in video games and the media day to day, media that has inevitably led to you acting the way you are right now.
And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone
what are you saying here? treating women like objects is something that should be encouraged? this pretty much says all anyone needs to know about how much your stance on sexism matters. your whole opinion seems pretty naive, i've been reading things like this for a long time. you clearly don't fully grasp rape culture and everything you're saying comes off as "why can't i be sexist anymore". thank god at least some press seems to be moving forward, and journalists like patrick are leading the way.
And your comments are pretty much what I was expecting.
No, what I'm saying is that people treat each other like sex objects and human beings are intelligent enough and complex enough that they can treat one person as a sex object and other people as other things. Congratulations on nit-picking out just the bits to try and make out something you wanted me to say, which I didn't. When you're jerking off, are you fantasizing about some sex object out there? Like Scarlet Johanson, as I mentioned? Or are you counting in your brain all the ways in which women have advanced math and science? It is entirely acceptable to be sexually attracted to men or women and to enjoy things which in some way celebrate the sexual and physical things about them. It's also okay to have one-night-stands (which are essentially objectifying each other, I suppose).
But you probably don't treat everyone that way, do you? You're totally capable of seeing a drop dead gorgeous person in a bar and thinking about screwing her brains out, without feeling like an awful person. Without knowing her IQ or what she does for a living or her stance on global warming and animal rescues. (Also, without treating her like shit or raping her). And then you're able to treat other women around you like decent human beings. Because everything has a context. It is naive, ignorant, and - frankly - disingenuous to suggest that my saying that there's nothing wrong with objectifying sometimes and in some circumstances the gender that you prefer has anything to do with rape culture or treating people like shit. You are making enormous fucking leaps to draw some of the conclusions you are making, above.
I'm not saying "durp durp why can't I be sexist anymore". I'm saying that we need to stop with this black and white bullshit and quit acting like everything short of treating every single woman like mother theresa makes you a rapist. You are a human being and being motivated by sex and finding someone sexually attractive and that being enough for you is entirely fine. And it's fine in the other gender direction, too. Liking tits because tits are awesome contributes to "rape culture"? Having a one-night stand contributes to "rape culture"? Fuck you, you ignorant petty shit. I've had a girlfriend who was raped after an event and ever since then, I have made regular donations to RAINN as a sense of obligation to try and help people in a tiny way who go through actual vile shit. I had to console her as she sat in a shower and I had to encourage her to pick up the phone and call the police.
You know what encourages rape-culture? ENCOURAGING FUCKING RAPE.
Fantasizing about the other gender (even only physically) or having one-night stands or even having statues of naked chicks doesn't encourage rape. It doesn't even *necessarily* objectify anyone (but it can). But as I've said fifteen times now, so what? We are complex creatures and some relationships can be based on objectification and some can be deep and meaningful. And a pair of boobs can be something a firefighter has on a poster in his locker as well as a thing that gives his precious child sustenance from his loving wife, at home.
It is YOUR narrow-minded, very constricted view and critique on things that illustrates exactly the sort of insincerity and disingenuousness that I see in these constant floods of "sexism oh noes!" at every turn in gaming journalism and the community. Unless you are a eunich, you and I both know that you are capable of objectifying whatever gender you are interested in and you have done it many times. And that isn't always a bad thing. And it isn't the ONLY interaction you have with your preferred gender. Because you are not mindless and you are not stupid and you are not one-dimensional. You are probably kind to people, on principal. You probably help people when you can. You are probably polite and you don't discriminate based on sex and you grew up like most of us, believing that anyone of either gender can do anything just as well as the other and has a right to. And all of that does not create any sort of conflict or contradiction with sexual objectification of your preferred gender being a part of it, to some degree.
I mean, seriously, do you think that because someone looks at porn and as most males do, says "man, I'd like to bang that" in their head referencing any number of women they encounter each day (hey, we're a sad species, what can I say) that they're waiting in dark alleys to rape chicks? Or that they go home at night and smack their wife around? Or that they treat their loved ones like posessions and disallow them travel out of the home without permission or demand that they don't get jobs or don't let them have any friends? I mean, is it really so black and white for you, that those are the only two stark-contrast concepts you see?
But all these articles do is ride the wave of "durp durp stupid news story of the day" and blow them out of proportion. Turning what someone probably thought was a funny (but stupid, idiotic, repulsive, and not something I'd ever want) statue in the vain of typical horror-collector props into the 52nd banner-for-sexism of the year (to be followed by whatever event comes next week for the 53rd banner). I mean, come on, does anyone really think that stupid statue was designed to somehow harm women or even to be "sexy"? It was clearly juvenile and stupid, but designed to be such. "Zombie bait har har har!". But, it was a tasty story that let gaming journalists jump on the rabid bandwagon and trot out their "serious journalist" cap yet again.
And even that might be okay, with me. I might not bitch about it quite so frequently and loudly . . . if it weren't for the fact that it's ALL that EVERY gaming journalist EVER does. This recent bout of "gun violence durp durp!" has been the ONLY respite in YEARS that we have had where "game journalists" tried to do "serious game journalism" where the topic wasn't "hey, Sexism is some thing, right guys?!" Am I the only one seeing this? Seriously? Is nobody else seeing how just flat out fucking stupid it is that it's the ONLY DAMN THING they cover as "serious"? For years on end? At least mix it up with some articles about racism and homphobia. They're predictable, but at least they *are* still actually problems and would kind of break up the "sexism" thing. (And who are their editors? Any editor of a decent publication is going to tell his star writers to stop harping on the same bullshit every issue, because the audience is going to grow tired of it and stop caring if they keep hammering it).
Well we already know the results of this article because he would not run it unless he found women who agree that its sexist. I guarantee I could post that picture on facebook and I guarantee I can get 8 women who don't think its sexist.
This. I bet Patrick has learned nothing from the Twitter fiasco. Continues to parade around all pious and sanctimonious.
Patrick being in every video and making another of these articles is about as bad as Giant Bomb could do in the last week. My opinion of course, before a buffoon quotes me and tells his love for Klepek.
Ooh, he's responding to comments? So it's an AMA on sexism by PK? I'm there!
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
Looking forward to all the people who think that if someone disagrees with a female or has anything negative to say whatsoever, they must be a "woman hater", because they are oh such precious and delicate fragile creatures and if they so much as breath loudly in response to one's comments, they're are going to obliterate her feelings like a nuclear warhead and are probably a serial rapist hiding in their mom's basement that has never touched a boob!
Also, I'll get it out of the way: Just because Patrick and other "journalists" lost their shit over the stupid statue (and it was incredibly stupid and repulsive) doesn't mean that the whole "this was designed by insensitive men who want to motivate other human beings to rape women and treat them like crap!". The idea that anyone actually sat there and said "it's a pair of tits with no body that is all shredded -- that's so sexy!" is absurd and anyone suggesting that is the mindset it was created with is being disingenuous. And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone. As I stated in another comment recently, human beings are complex creatures -- capable of treating a woman they're going on a date with respectfully and with great and sincere interest. Capable of treating their mother, sister, and most women they meat with kindness and decency. And also capable of disagreeing with or arguing with women about things. And, believe it or not, all of those things are still possible while occasionally objectifying them. You know, like how I might fantasize about how I'd bang the hell out of Scarlet Johanson because she's got a fucking awesome body. That doesn't make one a woman hater or a rapist or a neanderthal anymore than being a narrow-minded, single-dimensional, intentionally obtuse journalist or commentator that sees ABSOLUTELY EVERY DEPICTION OF WOMEN THAT ISN'T SAINTLY as an affront to all humankind and representative of only the most depraved male minds does. (And no, this isn't to say there aren't serious issues of gender and discrimination to talk about, but then let's talk about that instead of this trivial shit).
So, in short, I have to say that this topic is rather insincere and continuing to beat the dead horse (or zombie-bait corpse) further is just pathetic. It is truly making a mountain out of a mole-hill and it's the kind of thing I'd expect from other link-bait sites. It also continues to prove my point that "serious game journalists" are one-trick ponies who know ONLY one story to trot out when they want to be "totes serious" and have something for the resume to show off as "real journalism". And that's "oh, men are such vile pigs and sexism sexism sexism incorrect usage of misogyny but going to use it anyway, because it sounds really smart and makes my article seem totally high-brow and sympathetic".
I don't see how the rest of the world isn't suffocating from the massive puddles of insincerity oozing out of all of this, each time (and "each time" is becoming more frequent, because you can't go 48 fucking hours without more of it in the past year). These "game journalists" use this topic and exploit it and blow it out of all possible sensible proportion in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY we all bitch about the rest of the media and politicians doing about games, in general. It's the same fucking playbook. It's the same fucking insincerity and manipulation. Instead of calling people out on it, we sit around with our dicks in our hands, grunting about how everyone else is a troglodyte for every even thinking of a woman sexually and a handful of angry children spit out some hideous stuff about women, because that's what gets attention when you're ten years old. We should all be a shamed for participating in this bullshit every time patrick or some other "game journalists" trots out the same tired and trite "it's time for some GAMES JOURNALISM DAWG!" bullshit.
yep, this is pretty much what i was expecting. patrick does a great job at addressing the overt sexism you see in video games and the media day to day, media that has inevitably led to you acting the way you are right now.
And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone
what are you saying here? treating women like objects is something that should be encouraged? this pretty much says all anyone needs to know about how much your stance on sexism matters. your whole opinion seems pretty naive, i've been reading things like this for a long time. you clearly don't fully grasp rape culture and everything you're saying comes off as "why can't i be sexist anymore". thank god at least some press seems to be moving forward, and journalists like patrick are leading the way.
Taking things out of context makes you look like a total scumbag without an argument. Which you are, add to that an unjustified tone of superiority (the first reply you made) and you've made yourself out to be an unsavory fellow, even if you were arguing against a serial killer.
Seriously fuck you, you don't ever offer any real rebuttal or intelligence to the matter whatsoever. What is this? I could answer that for you, and why YOU believe what you believe, but who cares it's just a stranger on the Internet and regardless, any intelligent insight would likely be ignored based on past evidence (See Above).
Oh and the whole Dead Island thing: tasteless, derogatory, insulting, and downright disgusting. It's vile and certainly should be flamed the shit out of, sadly it will probably only garner more attention (and create garbage like this, ironically).
However, that doesn't allow for you to act like a TOTAL tool. I'd actually say that's the worst result of this situation, is all sorts of scum come out from both sides, we've seen examples of sexist douchebags, and then we have you for the opposite side.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
Looking forward to all the people who think that if someone disagrees with a female or has anything negative to say whatsoever, they must be a "woman hater", because they are oh such precious and delicate fragile creatures and if they so much as breath loudly in response to one's comments, they're are going to obliterate her feelings like a nuclear warhead and are probably a serial rapist hiding in their mom's basement that has never touched a boob!
Also, I'll get it out of the way: Just because Patrick and other "journalists" lost their shit over the stupid statue (and it was incredibly stupid and repulsive) doesn't mean that the whole "this was designed by insensitive men who want to motivate other human beings to rape women and treat them like crap!". The idea that anyone actually sat there and said "it's a pair of tits with no body that is all shredded -- that's so sexy!" is absurd and anyone suggesting that is the mindset it was created with is being disingenuous. And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone. As I stated in another comment recently, human beings are complex creatures -- capable of treating a woman they're going on a date with respectfully and with great and sincere interest. Capable of treating their mother, sister, and most women they meat with kindness and decency. And also capable of disagreeing with or arguing with women about things. And, believe it or not, all of those things are still possible while occasionally objectifying them. You know, like how I might fantasize about how I'd bang the hell out of Scarlet Johanson because she's got a fucking awesome body. That doesn't make one a woman hater or a rapist or a neanderthal anymore than being a narrow-minded, single-dimensional, intentionally obtuse journalist or commentator that sees ABSOLUTELY EVERY DEPICTION OF WOMEN THAT ISN'T SAINTLY as an affront to all humankind and representative of only the most depraved male minds does. (And no, this isn't to say there aren't serious issues of gender and discrimination to talk about, but then let's talk about that instead of this trivial shit).
So, in short, I have to say that this topic is rather insincere and continuing to beat the dead horse (or zombie-bait corpse) further is just pathetic. It is truly making a mountain out of a mole-hill and it's the kind of thing I'd expect from other link-bait sites. It also continues to prove my point that "serious game journalists" are one-trick ponies who know ONLY one story to trot out when they want to be "totes serious" and have something for the resume to show off as "real journalism". And that's "oh, men are such vile pigs and sexism sexism sexism incorrect usage of misogyny but going to use it anyway, because it sounds really smart and makes my article seem totally high-brow and sympathetic".
I don't see how the rest of the world isn't suffocating from the massive puddles of insincerity oozing out of all of this, each time (and "each time" is becoming more frequent, because you can't go 48 fucking hours without more of it in the past year). These "game journalists" use this topic and exploit it and blow it out of all possible sensible proportion in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY we all bitch about the rest of the media and politicians doing about games, in general. It's the same fucking playbook. It's the same fucking insincerity and manipulation. Instead of calling people out on it, we sit around with our dicks in our hands, grunting about how everyone else is a troglodyte for every even thinking of a woman sexually and a handful of angry children spit out some hideous stuff about women, because that's what gets attention when you're ten years old. We should all be a shamed for participating in this bullshit every time patrick or some other "game journalists" trots out the same tired and trite "it's time for some GAMES JOURNALISM DAWG!" bullshit.
And since someone is going to call me on this, let me just ask -- where are the meaningful gaming journalism articles here about racism, homophobia, xenophobia, and even ageism? Where? Show me? And for that one that you can pull up as evidence, how many were there about sexism? And of those about "sexism" how many of those were actually discriminatory? How many of them were anything more than the general day to day use of female characters or advertising that we are bombarded with in absolutely every other aspect of modern society every single day of the year? (Meaning that it is not inherently different or worse or more sickening or wrong than everything else you consume or participate in every single day, so stop acting like we have some sort of an unusual epidemic of neanderthals beating women over the head and dragging them into the cave, in gaming).
You are not wrong, and you are not crazy, regardless of how much people would rather appeal to their own emotions rather than their own logic. Don't let them gaslight you.
Well we already know the results of this article because he would not run it unless he found women who agree that its sexist. I guarantee I could post that picture on facebook and I guarantee I can get 8 women who don't think its sexist.
Please do. Let's see how many find it repellent, and let's see how many people want to play that or any other video games after seeing it. Go on.
Well we already know the results of this article because he would not run it unless he found women who agree that its sexist. I guarantee I could post that picture on facebook and I guarantee I can get 8 women who don't think its sexist.
Please do. Let's see how many find it repellent, and let's see how many people want to play that or any other video games after seeing it. Go on.
I will once the article comes out. Also, any women who would find that statue sexist would also find the game sexist anyway as there are women zombies wearing bikini's in the game as well. Yet no one is making a big stink about the game for some reason.
Well we already know the results of this article because he would not run it unless he found women who agree that its sexist. I guarantee I could post that picture on facebook and I guarantee I can get 8 women who don't think its sexist.
Please do. Let's see how many find it repellent, and let's see how many people want to play that or any other video games after seeing it. Go on.
Statue being disgusting or gross != sexist. Nobody is arguing over whether the statue is stupid or not. I would think that most women, when asked, would find the statue gross but not sexist.
@dr_mantas: This isn't a thread about sexism anymore, it's a thread about Patrick. It's time people new the truth about Klepek.
He's great! Yes, he does some things that bug me and yes, we don't agree on everything, but I'm glad he's here and I think he ads a lot of awesome things to the site, too. It's nice having someone around who will listen to and investigate user recommendations, like 999, and report back.
Oh joy Patricks mounted up and rode out on his white horse in his white knight outfit and spoken to his mum, his girlfriend and about 6 other female family members and hes now pissed at this evil sexist video game. COME FOURTH WHITE KNIGHTS! I SHALL WRITE A CLICK BAIT ARTICLE AND YOU SHALL RISE UP AND DEFEND ME TO THE DEATH!
Then I'll sit in my white shiny castle feeling smug about myself because i think i wrote an edgy clever article when in reality i wrote bollocks and the only debate going on is if it actually is sexist or not (it's not for the record) which was never the point about the article in the first place but I'm patrick and i only ever hear my own voice, my own opinion and only care about my own narrow, sheltered view of the world.
Why don't you quit giantbomb and go live in India. Far out of the way. You can write all the crap you want out there about womens rights and "make a change" if you care so deeply about it.
The question isn't whether or not some men objectify women. The question is what to do with the men who do.
I say we harvest their organs for organ transplants. For each life taken this way, we could save dozens! In fact, I'd say we're morally obligated to start harvesting right away.
@dr_mantas: This isn't a thread about sexism anymore, it's a thread about Patrick. It's time people new the truth about Klepek.
He's great! Yes, he does some things that bug me and yes, we don't agree on everything, but I'm glad he's here and I think he ads a lot of awesome things to the site, too. It's nice having someone around who will listen to and investigate user recommendations, like 999, and report back.
Oh, I COMPLETELY agree. Patrick is awesome. He brought some great content and ideas to Giant Bomb.
I DO have a problem with people who think it's OK to insult anybody disagreeing with their opinion. Patrick has never been insulting and condescending. It's some users that the comment section brings out.
When the megathreads start, I know it's hard just to argue your points, but calling somebody things isn't really worth it for a useful discussion.
It's their right, of course, I just think it's counter-productive.
The Dead Island torso was in bad taste. Definitely. The problem for me, in many cases with Patrick, is how he inserts his own opinions as fact in his articles. The thing about #1reasonwhy and all the other articles that have bothered me is his refusal to take himself out of the story and present the facts as they are. He has some inherent need to colour the story to better fit his world view, and it's just gross.
So yeah, I'm looking forward to the comments section of this new article. It should be a good way to kill a weekend afternoon.
Also,
@Branthog said:
@posh said:
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
Looking forward to all the people who think that if someone disagrees with a female or has anything negative to say whatsoever, they must be a "woman hater", because they are oh such precious and delicate fragile creatures and if they so much as breath loudly in response to one's comments, they're are going to obliterate her feelings like a nuclear warhead and are probably a serial rapist hiding in their mom's basement that has never touched a boob!
Also, I'll get it out of the way: Just because Patrick and other "journalists" lost their shit over the stupid statue (and it was incredibly stupid and repulsive) doesn't mean that the whole "this was designed by insensitive men who want to motivate other human beings to rape women and treat them like crap!". The idea that anyone actually sat there and said "it's a pair of tits with no body that is all shredded -- that's so sexy!" is absurd and anyone suggesting that is the mindset it was created with is being disingenuous. And, finally, fuck people who think there is anything wrong with objectifying someone. As I stated in another comment recently, human beings are complex creatures -- capable of treating a woman they're going on a date with respectfully and with great and sincere interest. Capable of treating their mother, sister, and most women they meat with kindness and decency. And also capable of disagreeing with or arguing with women about things. And, believe it or not, all of those things are still possible while occasionally objectifying them. You know, like how I might fantasize about how I'd bang the hell out of Scarlet Johanson because she's got a fucking awesome body. That doesn't make one a woman hater or a rapist or a neanderthal anymore than being a narrow-minded, single-dimensional, intentionally obtuse journalist or commentator that sees ABSOLUTELY EVERY DEPICTION OF WOMEN THAT ISN'T SAINTLY as an affront to all humankind and representative of only the most depraved male minds does. (And no, this isn't to say there aren't serious issues of gender and discrimination to talk about, but then let's talk about that instead of this trivial shit).
So, in short, I have to say that this topic is rather insincere and continuing to beat the dead horse (or zombie-bait corpse) further is just pathetic. It is truly making a mountain out of a mole-hill and it's the kind of thing I'd expect from other link-bait sites. It also continues to prove my point that "serious game journalists" are one-trick ponies who know ONLY one story to trot out when they want to be "totes serious" and have something for the resume to show off as "real journalism". And that's "oh, men are such vile pigs and sexism sexism sexism incorrect usage of misogyny but going to use it anyway, because it sounds really smart and makes my article seem totally high-brow and sympathetic".
I don't see how the rest of the world isn't suffocating from the massive puddles of insincerity oozing out of all of this, each time (and "each time" is becoming more frequent, because you can't go 48 fucking hours without more of it in the past year).
What this guy said.
This^^.
And also, BOY OH BOY, I can't wait for Patrick to write another hypocritical bullshit article and then ignore all comments for a few weeks... only to post another one.
His wife better watch the fuck out, if he ever meets Anita Sarkeesian it's GG NO RE.
I don't know whether to post here or make some sort of prepared remark for Patrick to ignore whenever his article goes up.
The bust is not something I'm into. I'm not into zombie things in general, or horror collectibles at all. I could understand someone who collects horror masks and blood packs those prosthetics that ooze guts and gore... people who are into the macabre, how they might want a bust of a dead lady. That's fine, that's their right to collect that as much as it's mine to have a small Garrus action figure on my desk. Protecting me from adorably sized Reapers.
That said, I find the reaction to this to be frustrating on two levels; the gender reaction, and the sexual reaction. The gender reaction is the idea that it is exponentially morally wrong for this bust to exist primarily due to the sex of the 'victim' of the zombie attack; a lady. Moreover, an attractive lady capable of child-bearing age. Whenever I see these exaggerated reactions it frustrates me on behalf of both sexes. It's the disposability of men and the infantilization of women again. If not, you'd see a complete uniformity of reaction to pain and suffering regardless of the victim; this clearly is not true. Extreme violence in which men are the target is described as 'exploitative violence' (think about the men dying in droves to your machete in Black Ops 2, their eyes bugging out as you bury the knife into their necks). Extreme violence in which women are the target is described as 'exploitation of women'. What does that encapsulate other than that men are the appropriate receptors of violence? I don't blame video games, the modern world, or Patrick or whatever for this; this has been one of the core building blocks humanity used to drag ourselves out of the mud. Men are the appropriate receptors of violence, and women must be protected from it as they are not capable of dealing with it like men. This was the way we ordered things to prevent our species from being wiped out, BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED. I no longer want to see anything that aggrandizes violence against women as being a special kind of super violence, because I understand all it entails. It's 2013. Women don't need men to stand in front of them and protect them from the world anymore than men require men (or women) to protect them. But when you respond with hypervigilance to any problem, any frustration, any discomfort expressed by women as being an immediate, irrevocable concern, you treat them exactly as you would treat a defenseless child.
The second part is the sexual reaction. I'm so sick of prudery being adapted by so called progressives in addition to the traditional conservatives. What constitutes prudery? How about the idea that any female skin qualifies as 'sexualized'. Even when it's on a dead body. I literally saw video game pussy on the murder victims of LA Noire. I'm surprised there was no outcry then. Perhaps it was because those women weren't attractive enough to qualify? Perhaps common sense prevailed. And more importantly; sex is not bad. Sex is not evil. Whether it's the dreaded 'male gaze', you know, healthy male heterosexual interests; or the female version. My girlfriend wants to rub one out to 50 Shades or domination fantasies or whatever turns her crank, whatever her heterosexual female interests are, as long as it involves consenting adults I'm all for it. If you're gay, your sexual interests are just as valid and worthy of expression as hetero men or women. Media that expresses those interests is not arbitrarily sexist. If anyone wants to add their own things here; polyamorous, trans, whatever, go ahead. But here's the thing, we've sanitized the world so that only the sexual desires of those we deem politically correct are allowed to even be discussed, based on their interest or offense. It's perfectly fine to show X, Y, Z because the people who decide what constitutes 'proper sexual attitudes' deem it acceptable. That is dogmatic horseshit, and it's horseshit that is only going to shrink and shrink what is 'acceptable' until sex itself is looked upon as chillingly as it was in the Victorian era. We have free speech. Contrary to public belief, your free speech does not 'end when it offends someone else'. That's called the tyranny of offense, it's how religions try to enforce their rules on people who don't even believe in their gods. Those who want the authority to say "this scantily clad woman is WRONG" "this depiction of this woman is WRONG" "this form of sex between consenting adults is WRONG" are moral censors who are attempting to enforce their dogma on you and make you hand over your free speech. No way. If you're a prude and you can't withstand discussion or depiction of sex, whether it's frank, titillating or comical, even horrifying; that's fine, but do not stand in my way.
I can't wait for Patrick to inform my girlfriend that she's a He-Man woman hater because to quote her when she saw the torso "that's pretty cool, can we import it?"
I find it hilarious that people are so easily offended and need to feel so important that they have to run home and post online or use their soap boxes to preach about how something is "racist" "sexist" "offensive" ( this goes for both sides, OMG gay marriage or OMG they like kinky sex or OMG they go to church on Sundays )
Remember a time when one party did something to offended the other we simply said "you know I kind of don't like that" and the other side said "thats fine that you feel that way, I'm not going to disrespect your views and shove it in your face as long as you respect my views. Pepperidge Farm remembers. Maybe everyone on either side should go out and buy themselves some tasty Milano cookies and chill out.
I love that just the sight of a potential "sexism" article gets people going this much. "Oh no Patrick wrote an article my whole day is ruined because I don't agree!" Whatever, no one is saying he is ever right and no one is saying you have to agree or care. The same people who claim this whole incident is being blown out of proportion and we need to just move past it are the same people who are writing essays in the forums about an article about it that hasn't even been released yet. Total madness.
I wonder if he actually thought about the reference he was making when he chose this title. It boggles the mind.
EDIT: I just realized it might be a play on 999, but I imagine the people who are going to make that connection instead of the other one are in the minority.
@Brodehouse: I knew there was a reason I followed you :D
i will defend patrick and i think he gives a lot to this site, but i am worries this may be a bit too much, UNLESS it's fair and even-handed to all sides/opinions. it also does help if patrick actually does engage in some dialogue/back-and-forth in the comments. if things are brought to light AND if people offer their critiques/opposing viewpoints in a civil manner, it can definitely result in some good and hopefully constructive discourse. i think 1reasonwhy had good, er, reason to be discussed and it had some weight to it, but personally this just seems like a vaguely tacky and poor marketing decision. we haven't seen the article yet and despite my misgivings i'm hoping for something constructive and meaningful. even if it is, however, it probably won't stop the patrick hate parade.
Unless it had a dick-hole on it I don't see what the hubub is about unless you're whoring for traffic. Something dumb and tacky you'd find at any Spencer's Gifts.
looking forward to all of the woman haters of giant bomb coming together and yelling at patrick like idiots
Just because people like me don't enjoy Patricks use of giantbomb as a soapbox doesn't mean 'we' hate women. Also there are many alternate views of that issue that doesn't mean it's a 'hatred' of women, just a different opinion on how the subject is treated.
Though there are those people whom I agree can be over the top and seem to not like equality.
Isn't it fascinating how much of the discourse over this thing has just been people trying to shoot down each others point of view? I'm very interested to hear what the women interviewed have to say, not because this weird little plastic collectible deserves to be written about again but because It's a worthwhile and fresh perspective on a criminally over-discussed example of plain, old, bad design.
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