OnLive Video Review June 2010

" With my awesome Australian internet I might be able to run this for half an hour before blowing my download limit "

My biggest gripe with OnLive is it appears games are not being run at the highest settings. Doesn't that defeat the point of the service?"

 Please go troll somewhere else, obviously what he posted was in quotations. Leave the thread for people with legitimate questions rather than this stupid crap. You were saying the same shit on my YouTube comments as you are here, and this account you have was obviously just to post in this thread. That constitutes as a troll, especially since you have NO other account actions besides posting in this thread. So as I said before, get on with your life. Seriously. Have you nothing better to do than to talk shit about me and OnLive? Am I worth THAT much of your time? Is OnLive worth that much of your time even though you think it's crap?

 I've explained everything completely, posted a video, references, definitions, examples, etc. Yet you STILL sit here and call bullshit on everything. I hadn't done a review in a while, so when I got into OnLive I figured "Hey! A hot new service that people are interested in! Guess I'll try it out and make a video!"

 However, you have the inability to comprehend written text, as the quote I selected clearly shows. You read what you want, infer on the rest, and then make a completely horrible argument based on prior biases, accusations, and poor facts. So yes, I'm done with you. Of course I'm sure you'll post again asking me to point out where you did what, and what I'm referring to, and yadda yadda. Frankly I don't care, and I know you don't either. So do what you were doing before this thread was made, and just leave. You weren't posting here before the review, so why post now? Ah yes, you're a troll. Got it.

  On a side note, if anyone is on the OnLive service they have a Lego Harry Potter contest going on. Details are at   http://blog.onlive.com/ but basically, if you're the first to fully complete Lego Harry Potter (snap a brag clip with 200 gold blocks and as Voldemort in the Bonus Stage) you can win an iPad, while the next 5 winners get an iPod Touch.  

 http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it."

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Viral marketer? He just said OnLive was a Miata to to my Ferrari.. not a great viral marketer if he was one.. :P
    

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

 You said it was like PC gaming, then you said it isn't as good. But t then you reverse your treads again and make the unfounded claim that it is as good. It has been pointed out to you, and as the saying goes, "The emperor has no clothes". You even stated that you didn't post the video to that many sites when you actually did, what does that say about you?  But here's a quote from you and the inanity of it isn't surprising, this from your YouTube thread, Saieno said, " Sorry, but how is that not like Steam? Oh right, you need hardware, you need to wait for downloads and installs, not all their games have demos, and you cant play Steam games on Mac (except some crap ones and Valve titles), iPhone, iPad, or without a computer. Thanks for the reminder." Yet more promoting. "

"  http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

Onlive barely comes close to actual HD console gaming. I have yet to see where it has the textures and detail the 360 can put out. I wouldn't hold my PC anywhere near Onlive, but according to Saieno, it can hang with mid/high range PCs. Let's see., here is my high range rig I built late last year:   Windows 7 Ultimate 64biti7 950 Silverstone 1000w PSU 2x Sapphire Radeon 5870s in Crossfire Asus Rampage II Extreme 12gig G-Skill (2gig x6) PC1333mhz  RAM 24" Samsung    (1920X1200)   w/5.1 surround. "

this thread makes me lol. 
Way to go internet! as soon as someone says something positive about a product, they are a viral marketer. 
 
Okay(pretty sure i've done this before) but..i have to admit to everyone, I am a viral marketer for Phish. Red Light Management, and JEMP Records sent me here to tell you all that right now we are in the middle of summer tour 2010! break out your Birkenstocks,  and patchwork pants and lets all go see Trey and the boys! After the show, dont forget to download from Live Phish and buy all your summer tour gear from Dry Goods.  
 
 
But on a serious note here, if you like something and you tell people about it, aren't you technically a viral marketer?  We're all viral marketers for the things we love.

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

" @teh_pwnzorer said:

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

I just got me a kickass DX11 rig. I'm fairly certain by the time games catch up to it (let's be honest, won't happen 'til the next generation of consoles hits the market - exceptions not anticipated), services like OnLive will be readily available for most urban folks. Instead of a kickass DX 12 rig or whatever, I'll just get me a big nice tablet PC and stick a gamepad in the USB 3.0 or whatever port and install a browser plugin and play the latest games wherever and whenever it pleases me. At some point affordable flatrates for lowping mobile broadband internet will be available too. Gaming Utopia 2015. Or 2020. "

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@Saieno:  Saieno, why not just come out and say it... "I work for Onlive, I am very  confident that if I do my job well, Creating viral marketing campaigns and drumming up interest on gaming forums that it will probibly generate more Onlive sales.. and I will be doing my job well. What get's me is how sneaky you are and are basically not at all interested in anything within this community other than whats in everybody's wallets.  Looking at your profile you basically have shown no interest in anything other than the most random pokemon Black/white coment but other than that ur main focus has been explaining to everyone in detail why we should all buy onlive.  You have been droning on and on for pages.. and pages.. about how great onlive is.. then disguise your bias with a slight negative comment that is rectified with a comment like:  "Red faction isn't graphically great anyway" or something along those lines..  If you can explain why i'm wrong that would be great.... but I think that theres either 2 things wrong here:  a) You are compleatly obsessed with onlive which is great for you.. but perhaps you should take it a little easier. b) You are are walking talking advert for onlive and should be removed from the site for marketing a product without authorization. I'm gonna try flagging you anyway.. something here smells off "

"@Saieno said:

" @Jimmy6068 said:

 You said it was like PC gaming, then you said it isn't as good. But t then you reverse your treads again and make the unfounded claim that it is as good. It has been pointed out to you, and as the saying goes, "The emperor has no clothes". You even stated that you didn't post the video to that many sites when you actually did, what does that say about you?  But here's a quote from you and the inanity of it isn't surprising, this from your YouTube thread, Saieno said, " Sorry, but how is that not like Steam? Oh right, you need hardware, you need to wait for downloads and installs, not all their games have demos, and you cant play Steam games on Mac (except some crap ones and Valve titles), iPhone, iPad, or without a computer. Thanks for the reminder." Yet more promoting. "

 As I have said time and time again, the controls feel local, the graphics look good, are HD, and are comparable to the same game running at 1280x720 resolution on a console or PC. I uploaded my video to YouTube and posted a link to it at GameTrailers (someone else took it and uploaded it) and embedded it here at GiantBomb. Let me ask you something, if you write a book and wish for people to read it, do you tell people about it or put it in a library or bookstore for people to read? And Steam is the biggest comparison to OnLive, even though they are completely different services. You don't even post the comment I'm responding to, so it's completely out of context. This again is another example where I say a word which you know is referencing the definition appropriate to the conversation, yet it's taken completely out of context and scrutinized as if that were a huge false claim I was making. "Hardware" has many definitions, yet it obviously means based on a grade school concept of 'context clues' that I'm referring to hardware capable of running the games. 
  
If you want to discuss this further then take it to PMs. I'm trying very hard to keep from responding with walls of text, so perhaps one on one conversation would be better.
 
@teh_pwnzorer said:

"   http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/onlive-gaming-cloud,2671.html  
     
" To anyone who suggests that you may never need another high-end PC to play the latest games, I respond: I’ll hold onto my high-end PC, thanks. OnLive doesn’t come anywhere close to displacing it." "

He also says:  "I have an older Core 2 Duo T9300-based laptop with 4GB of RAM and Intel’s GMA X3100 graphics engine. It’s wholly incapable of playing Just Cause (2), Batman, F.E.A.R. (2), or any other of the games OnLive is hosting. It'll handle WoW, so long as you turn every setting down to its lowest option. But the system does satisfy OnLive’s minimum hardware requirements for running its client. This is where the service is totally in its element. In DiRT 2, Just Cause 2, and Batman—the three games I spent some time in—frame rates were ample to play smoothly, though nowhere near an even 60 FPS. With my 1280x800 screen running much closer to OnLive’s native 1280x720, quality appeared much better than the professional Dell 1920x1200 displays on my workstation. Latency, though perceptible, still didn’t prevent me from doing well in single-player campaigns. 
 
 But this push forward is frightening for reviewers everywhere, understandably. OnLive is telling you that your hardware doesn’t matter—they’ll take care of it. Suddenly, it ceases to be relevant that Nvidia’s GeForce GTX 480 offers superior tessellation, or that AMD’s Radeon  HD 5870 was the first DirectX 11 graphics card by more than half a year. It’s also threatening to enthusiasts, who lust after the most powerful components, and don’t necessarily want to see their gaming experience distilled down into whoever has the fastest Internet connection—though saving thousands of dollars on high-end hardware takes the sting off somewhat, I have to imagine." Again, OnLive is not a replacement for your high-end PC if you have one, and believe me the people over at Tom's Hardware are going to have the best so his opinion is understandable. "

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@Saieno:  Saieno, why not just come out and say it... "I work for Onlive, I am very  confident that if I do my job well, Creating viral marketing campaigns and drumming up interest on gaming forums that it will probibly generate more Onlive sales.. and I will be doing my job well. What get's me is how sneaky you are and are basically not at all interested in anything within this community other than whats in everybody's wallets.  Looking at your profile you basically have shown no interest in anything other than the most random pokemon Black/white coment but other than that ur main focus has been explaining to everyone in detail why we should all buy onlive.  You have been droning on and on for pages.. and pages.. about how great onlive is.. then disguise your bias with a slight negative comment that is rectified with a comment like:  "Red faction isn't graphically great anyway" or something along those lines..  If you can explain why i'm wrong that would be great.... but I think that theres either 2 things wrong here:  a) You are compleatly obsessed with onlive which is great for you.. but perhaps you should take it a little easier. b) You are are walking talking advert for onlive and should be removed from the site for marketing a product without authorization. I'm gonna try flagging you anyway.. something here smells off "

 JFC jimmy why don't you try being more concise, not every frigging post needs to be a wall of text. The fact you can't be more succinct in your replies just shows me your full of BS. Don't give me any 'being thorough' crap either, because all your doing is attacking his style and method of debate. Your trying to win an argument not prove a point. Go back to school or the asylum you escaped from.
 
More likely you just got off work from your Best Buy job working the TV department by your friggin obsession with video quality. OMG someone said it was HD when its not technically HD! I'm gonna right my masters thesis about it for my for my online degree i only went to class for 1 year for!

Yeah - stop hatin' on Saieno. Putting up some good quality content. All you guys do, is linkin' other dudes' naysayer content - because you WANT OnLive to fail.

I think onlive looks pretty badass. 

" @Astras said:

"
@Saieno:  Saieno, why not just come out and say it... "I work for Onlive, I am very  confident that if I do my job well, Creating viral marketing campaigns and drumming up interest on gaming forums that it will probibly generate more Onlive sales.. and I will be doing my job well. What get's me is how sneaky you are and are basically not at all interested in anything within this community other than whats in everybody's wallets.  Looking at your profile you basically have shown no interest in anything other than the most random pokemon Black/white coment but other than that ur main focus has been explaining to everyone in detail why we should all buy onlive.  You have been droning on and on for pages.. and pages.. about how great onlive is.. then disguise your bias with a slight negative comment that is rectified with a comment like:  "Red faction isn't graphically great anyway" or something along those lines..  If you can explain why i'm wrong that would be great.... but I think that theres either 2 things wrong here:  a) You are compleatly obsessed with onlive which is great for you.. but perhaps you should take it a little easier. b) You are are walking talking advert for onlive and should be removed from the site for marketing a product without authorization. I'm gonna try flagging you anyway.. something here smells off "

Come on man. I don't see how being passionate about OnLive is that far out for you not to consider it real. I'm pretty passionate about the concept myself. It has great potential. Pontential I wish to see realized as soon as possible. Guess what - drumming up interest for something you're passionate about ain't that far out. Every XY-fanboy is living proof of that.  Way better to be positive about what you like, than hating on stuff you don't. OnLive and services like it are a perceived threat to every XY-hardware fanboy, so it will be picked on by many. Also, it takes some imagination and a fair amount of believing in the improbable to not be a dick about it and say 'No way could that ever be any good!'.  I believe the concept behind OnLive is valid. I believe outsourcing processing power from the endconsumers' homes to specialized service providers is the way for the gaming industry to gain more mainstream appeal and reach a much higher market penetration. Also - in the long run, it could enable games requiring a hardware investment the general public will never be willing to make.  Cloud Gaming's 'Avatar' so to speak.  Look - I see the potential of future services like OnLive is along the lines of a videogames theme park. You'll never be able to have as awesome a pool as a waterpark. You'll never be able to afford to build a rollercoaster in your backyard (MJ did it, but it ruined him...). Games that are beyond home electronics. "

haters gonna hate
 
Hell I'd pay the fee just to get 30 minute demo with the full versions of games to see if i want to buy the box.

As an aside, I just saw where he admitted that he has four written reviews of Onlive, all of which are embeeded with his video review from YouTube. Here's a little note, he denied to me that he didn't have that many, saying he only posted it twice, until I pointed it out to him. Now, what does that say and could you not make essentially the same kind of conclusion along the lines of Astra as well? "

Saieno you don't seem to GET IT. User reviews posted on youtube, video game websites and forums are SERIOUS BUSINESS.
 
Do you KNOW what will happen if the rest of internet gets wind of this? Very bad and awful things! All happening. To YOU! You'll be in very big trouble mister and I shudder at the thought of what will happen to you. MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL! I suggest you start repenting now to prevent yourself from being in lots of big big trouble that I assure you is very unpleasant and then everlasting hellfire for possibly maybe posting an inaccurate amateur review on YouTube! How dare you try and sully the reputation of integrity YouTube has had for all these years!

" @Jimmy6068 said:

As an aside, I just saw where he admitted that he has four written reviews of Onlive, all of which are embeeded with his video review from YouTube. Here's a little note, he denied to me that he didn't have that many, saying he only posted it twice, until I pointed it out to him. Now, what does that say and could you not make essentially the same kind of conclusion along the lines of Astra as well? "

Alright seriously, you are an idiot. Yes, I'm straight out calling you an idiot or as I've said before a troll. FOUR reviews of ONLIVE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!? CAN YOU NOT READ!? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE: 
 
 "I have four written reviews on this site for various games which can be seen here:   http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/saieno/reviews/  " HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP!? DO I NEED TO POST IN CAPS OR SOMETHING?   I uploaded my video to YouTube so it could host it. I then posted the video in the General Discussion thread, and on the GameTrailers forums. However, on GameTrailers someone took the video and uploaded it to their site, which was then featured and has received 6,000+ views. I've offered to talk with you off the forums, you decline apparently and keep responding with a completely retarded mess you call an argument.  "

" @Saieno said:

" @Jimmy6068 said:

As an aside, I just saw where he admitted that he has four written reviews of Onlive, all of which are embeeded with his video review from YouTube. Here's a little note, he denied to me that he didn't have that many, saying he only posted it twice, until I pointed it out to him. Now, what does that say and could you not make essentially the same kind of conclusion along the lines of Astra as well? "

Alright seriously, you are an idiot. Yes, I'm straight out calling you an idiot or as I've said before a troll. FOUR reviews of ONLIVE?! ARE YOU SERIOUS!? CAN YOU NOT READ!? THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I WROTE: 
 
 "I have four written reviews on this site for various games which can be seen here:   http://www.giantbomb.com/profile/saieno/reviews/  " HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP!? DO I NEED TO POST IN CAPS OR SOMETHING?   I uploaded my video to YouTube so it could host it. I then posted the video in the General Discussion thread, and on the GameTrailers forums. However, on GameTrailers someone took the video and uploaded it to their site, which was then featured and has received 6,000+ views. I've offered to talk with you off the forums, you decline apparently and keep responding with a completely retarded mess you call an argument.  "

 Your words, and now you're busted lying right out. Here's what I said back a few thread pages ago;   http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/onlive-video-review-june-2010/426619/?page=5 " I have a comment and I hope you don't take it personally. I have now seen three different video sites, gaming, Yotube, etc, where you posted your video review of Onlive and I am assuming you have posted the review to others.. This seems more like mere interest in Onlive as much as you are advertising/promoting for them. If you are doing that, then that is nothing short of SPAM and nothing less than unethical. "  You replied in the very next post; " I have only posted my review here on Giant Bomb and at Game Trailers."  So who's lying?  "

I in no way attacked him nor his style. I am calling his comaprison claims. he has made the attacks. He didn't even back up his own words by retracting them and then going against his own owrds, I don't know what your precetion of that kind of debate is, but it isn't honest."  JFC jimmy why don't you try being more concise, not every frigging post needs to be a wall of text. The fact you can't be more succinct in your replies just shows me your full of BS. Don't give me any 'being thorough' crap either, because all your doing is attacking his style and method of debate. Your trying to win an argument not prove a point. Go back to school or the asylum you escaped from.  More likely you just got off work from your Best Buy job working the TV department by your friggin obsession with video quality. OMG someone said it was HD when its not technically HD! I'm gonna right my masters thesis about it for my for my online degree i only went to class for 1 year for! "

" haters gonna hate  Hell I'd pay the fee just to get 30 minute demo with the full versions of games to see if i want to buy the box. "

 Your words, and now you're busted lying right out. Here's what I said back a few thread pages ago;   http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/onlive-video-review-june-2010/426619/?page=5 " I have a comment and I hope you don't take it personally. I have now seen three different video sites, gaming, Yotube, etc, where you posted your video review of Onlive and I am assuming you have posted the review to others.. This seems more like mere interest in Onlive as much as you are advertising/promoting for them. If you are doing that, then that is nothing short of SPAM and nothing less than unethical. "  You replied in the very next post; " I have only posted my review here on Giant Bomb and at Game Trailers."  So who's lying?  "

Fighting aside, Saieno, I and many people would not have a fight with you if you did a proper review. Looking at the good and the bad, but all you did was look for pros and called it a day. If you want to review a product you need to understand that there are things that this product does not excel at, which is quite clear if you have a brain. Then you go off and defend it like it's your job (even though it may not be), when you can clearly see some things are not as good as you portray them to me. Your youtube videos and comments portray this product more as an advertisement then a review of it. Either you don't know how to review products or you are some sort of walking billboard for the company. For instance you claim it will have mod support, yet you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and it probably won't have it. Then you go ahead and say it's fair to lose your account/games even if you bought it after not accessing it for a year. You can't be serious? I think you need to seriously review your attitude and understand there are different point of views that may not agree with you all the time, that sometimes you have to see that what you are saying is truly fabricated and somewhat crazy.

" @Jimmy6068 said:

 Your words, and now you're busted lying right out. Here's what I said back a few thread pages ago;   http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/onlive-video-review-june-2010/426619/?page=5 " I have a comment and I hope you don't take it personally. I have now seen three different video sites, gaming, Yotube, etc, where you posted your video review of Onlive and I am assuming you have posted the review to others.. This seems more like mere interest in Onlive as much as you are advertising/promoting for them. If you are doing that, then that is nothing short of SPAM and nothing less than unethical. "  You replied in the very next post; " I have only posted my review here on Giant Bomb and at Game Trailers."  So who's lying?  "

You're acting like an idiot...  "

" Fighting aside, Saieno, I and many people would not have a fight with you if you did a proper review. Looking at the good and the bad, but all you did was look for pros and called it a day. If you want to review a product you need to understand that there are things that this product does not excel at, which is quite clear if you have a brain. Then you go off and defend it like it's your job (even though it may not be), when you can clearly see some things are not as good as you portray them to me. Your youtube videos and comments portray this product more as an advertisement then a review of it. Either you don't know how to review products or you are some sort of walking billboard for the company. For instance you claim it will have mod support, yet you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and it probably won't have it. Then you go ahead and say it's fair to lose your account/games even if you bought it after not accessing it for a year. You can't be serious? I think you need to seriously review your attitude and understand there are different point of views that may not agree with you all the time, that sometimes you have to see that what you are saying is truly fabricated and somewhat crazy. "

" Fighting aside, Saieno, I and many people would not have a fight with you if you did a proper review. Looking at the good and the bad, but all you did was look for pros and called it a day. If you want to review a product you need to understand that there are things that this product does not excel at, which is quite clear if you have a brain. Then you go off and defend it like it's your job (even though it may not be), when you can clearly see some things are not as good as you portray them to me. Your youtube videos and comments portray this product more as an advertisement then a review of it. Either you don't know how to review products or you are some sort of walking billboard for the company. For instance you claim it will have mod support, yet you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and it probably won't have it. Then you go ahead and say it's fair to lose your account/games even if you bought it after not accessing it for a year. You can't be serious? I think you need to seriously review your attitude and understand there are different point of views that may not agree with you all the time, that sometimes you have to see that what you are saying is truly fabricated and somewhat crazy. "

Your brilliant and detailed reply is noted. So, by Saieno's inabilty to address the question, I'll ask you, though I know a thoughtful reply will ensue. Did he not say he only posted the review to two sites, or not? They are his words, not mine. Seriously, if you think it is idiotic to point out the obvious, then your agenda is not to discuss. "

" People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!" "

@Saieno

" @SmAsH said:

" Fighting aside, Saieno, I and many people would not have a fight with you if you did a proper review. Looking at the good and the bad, but all you did was look for pros and called it a day. If you want to review a product you need to understand that there are things that this product does not excel at, which is quite clear if you have a brain. Then you go off and defend it like it's your job (even though it may not be), when you can clearly see some things are not as good as you portray them to me. Your youtube videos and comments portray this product more as an advertisement then a review of it. Either you don't know how to review products or you are some sort of walking billboard for the company. For instance you claim it will have mod support, yet you clearly have no idea what you are talking about, and it probably won't have it. Then you go ahead and say it's fair to lose your account/games even if you bought it after not accessing it for a year. You can't be serious? I think you need to seriously review your attitude and understand there are different point of views that may not agree with you all the time, that sometimes you have to see that what you are saying is truly fabricated and somewhat crazy. "

Many of my reviews are more an overview of features, and I find it hard to be opinionated because I want to present facts, features, and visual representation so the viewer can make their own decisions. Yes, some personal opinion is thrown in there, but what I think is a pro or con someone might think otherwise, so I try not to base the entire review on that. Do you really need me to say if the service is good or bad? Maybe I see reviews differently, or maybe they aren't reviews at all. Also, I never claimed there would be mod support, only suggested that mod support wasn't impossible on the service.  Now my background is mainly MMORPGs, so I'm very accustom to paying monthly fees and expect my characters or accounts to be deleted if they aren't active for a while (for example, a couple games disable the account after three months and it can't be reactivated). In comparison, the OnLive service is similar to an MMO. You pay a monthly fee for server upkeep and pay for the games, and if your account is inactive for 12 months it's disabled. So yes that certainly makes sense to me and seems fair. Also, if you rent a game for a few days, that save file is on the server for 12 months. So if you want to rent it again, you'll have your save and everything ready to go.  Edit: Added a sentence on how I present my opinion in reviews. "

Well I certainly appreciate the feedback. I don't believe I stated OnLive is better than PC gaming, just that it is comparable in terms of control (and in some cases graphics). If you don't own a gaming PC right now and can't afford to, then from my experience OnLive is a viable alternative. That's my opinion based on my observations. Now there are a couple differences between a user review and a professional review.  A user review refers to a review created by the owner of a product or the user of a service who has sufficient experience to comment on reliability and whether or not the product or service delivers on its promises. This is what I did. An expert review usually refers to a review created by someone who has tested several peer products or services to identify which offers the best value for money or the best set of features. This is what Tom's Hardware did. Both are reviews, just presented differently with different information.  
 
I don't think OnLive is trying to make a competitor to Steam or D2D, which is simply digital distribution. However, keeping Steam in mind the service was horrible until around late 2007 early 2008, and it originally released in 2002. So it took about 5 years for Steam to really get its act together, and I think giving OnLive the same time frame we'll see some really amazing evolution from the fledgling service we have right now. I do think once the micro-console is released we'll see a much bigger audience for the service, and more of its true potential realized. 
 
Also, I thought this was pretty funny and fitting as well: 
 

I'm just 'effin curious, what kind of games would become economically feasible with a 'Themepark' kind of business modell. Like a 10$ daypass for an outlandishly awesome game experience. Like Crysis x 100. Fotorealistic textures. Extreme high poly modells. Endless viewing distance and perfect drawing distance. 100% procedurally interactive and destructible environments with true to life physics and material and structural integrity simulation. Absolutely seamless and loadingtime free. Extreme player count in multiplayer games. And so forth and so forth.
 
If I could pay 10$ for a daypass to play the next-next-next generation Battlefield game today. Oh boy. I'd be hard pressed not to spend 300$ a month on said Battlefield game. Videogame themeparks are for the 'effin win. Planet Battlefield will rule my world and draw more cash out of my pocket than a top of the line supermodell fuckbeast whore with unlimted all orifices access and a high end service mentality.

" @CL60 said:

People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!"

When he blatantly lies about the services and how it works, that's when I'm going to correct him so people aren't deceived into purchasing something they regret. "

" @CL60 said:

" People need to shut the hell up. "He likes it?! and has a different opinion then me?! YOU ARE A PLANT SENT HERE BY ONLIVE!" "

No it is called voicing our opinions if you don't like it then you can always not reply or ignore us entirely. It has nothing to do with his opinion being different, now you are just being ignorant, it is that much of what he is said is false and is misleading for people who might want to get the service. Either tell people the good and the bad (something like what tomshardware did) or don't spew lies. Saying he was a person who works for OnLive is a valid reason that any can expect, especially the way he defends them and is boasting them as the next best thing since sliced bread.
 

" I'm just 'effin curious, what kind of games would become economically feasible with a 'Themepark' kind of business modell. Like a 10$ daypass for an outlandishly awesome game experience. Like Crysis x 100. Fotorealistic textures. Extreme high poly modells. Endless viewing distance and perfect drawing distance. 100% procedurally interactive and destructible environments with true to life physics and material and structural integrity simulation. Absolutely seamless and loadingtime free. Extreme player count in multiplayer games. And so forth and so forth.  If I could pay 10$ for a daypass to play the next-next-next generation Battlefield game today. Oh boy. I'd be hard pressed not to spend 300$ a month on said Battlefield game. Videogame themeparks are for the 'effin win. Planet Battlefield will rule my world and draw more cash out of my pocket than a top of the line supermodell fuckbeast whore with unlimted all orifices access and a high end service mentality. "

Ok..... thats kinda awesome.....

fuck...the...haters.... 
 
 
been using OnLive all week now and LOVE IT! 
 
can't wait for when they start adding more games to this service. 

Imagine an 'All Out Nuclear War' ride. You take a stroll in some major city, let's take the obvious Manhattan New York setting, as the end of the world, in form of an all out nuclear war happens. And then New York City gets procedurally blown to oblivion with multiple tactical nukes and you're in the middle of it. The goal might be to flee the city within a timelimit of 1 hour. Everytime New York's gonna crumble differently, thanks to all procedural destruction - meaning material simulation and structural integrity simulation and so forth. Every object in the game procedurally interactive. There's millions of AI controlled people populating the city with a sheer limitless amount of scripted behaviours. AI riots happening. Procedural gameplay bliss.
 
I'd pay 10$ a pop and queue up for such a thing. No doubt about it.

" @Dionysus187:   You obviously don't understand the potential of outsourcing processing power. I'm talking of the virtual equivalent of a Theme Park. Nobody can afford to build his own rollercoaster. Everybody can afford a ride on it though. Imagine the most advanced gaming hardware imaginable. You pay to 'ride' a custom made game for said utopian hardware. Just imagine your favorite game freed from all hardware restrictions. Then imagine what would be possible gamedesign wise, if all hardware restrictions were gone. How such games would be built. We're talking of simulations beyond our wildest imagination. Imagine a game like Battlefield - every material and every structure and every explosion and every bullet and all the kinetic force being hurled around the map being simulated to react true to life - the perfect interaction. Procedural - non-scripted interactivity. Mindblowing. Catch my drift now? "

I'm still waiting for an e-mail. I'm interested in trying it out. My PC is pretty good but the service itself seems like it could be really cool.

Oh no doubt. Plus with all the hardware people are playing on being the same spot, and if they can manage really low ping times, you are basically looking at LAN party performance that's only slightly worse than an actual LAN party, but outside of human perception so people won't know the difference anyway.
 
OnLive is going to take off, and some other company is going to make an MMO type game with this tech I think, but the servers just don't hold character and game data they also provide the hardware to play it. Not offering multiple games like OnLive, just the one game you get access to for like $20-$30 a month that has just insane performance and visuals. On the flip side someone might make a MMO like this that looks pretty damn good, F2P with microtransactions and can be easily played on your cell phone heh.

I'm just 'effin curious, what kind of games would become economically feasible with a 'Themepark' kind of business modell. Like a 10$ daypass for an outlandishly awesome game experience. Like Crysis x 100. Fotorealistic textures. Extreme high poly modells. Endless viewing distance and perfect drawing distance. 100% procedurally interactive and destructible environments with true to life physics and material and structural integrity simulation. Absolutely seamless and loadingtime free. Extreme player count in multiplayer games. And so forth and so forth.  If I could pay 10$ for a daypass to play the next-next-next generation Battlefield game today. Oh boy. I'd be hard pressed not to spend 300$ a month on said Battlefield game. Videogame themeparks are for the 'effin win. Planet Battlefield will rule my world and draw more cash out of my pocket than a top of the line supermodell fuckbeast whore with unlimted all orifices access and a high end service mentality.

The problem is technology doesn't work like that.  The tech of the Xbox 360 or PS3 took billions of dollars in R&D money to develop.  Same for most modern CPUs and GPU lines.  They make money by selling LOTS of products at fairly high prices.  Something that people would check out once a year for $10, even if it was millions of people, could never fund even a normal mainstream game of today.  You couldn't fund a Red Dead Redemption with the theme park business model.  99.99999% of people also wouldn't pay $300 a month to play a single game, either.  

" @Dionysus187:   You obviously don't understand the potential of outsourcing processing power. I'm talking of the virtual equivalent of a Theme Park. Nobody can afford to build his own rollercoaster. Everybody can afford a ride on it though.  Imagine the most advanced gaming hardware imaginable. You pay to 'ride' a custom made game for said utopian hardware. Just imagine your favorite game freed from all hardware restrictions. Then imagine what would be possible gamedesign wise, if all hardware restrictions were gone. How such games would be built. We're talking of simulations beyond our wildest imagination. Imagine a game like Battlefield - every material and every structure and every explosion and every bullet and all the kinetic force being hurled around the map being simulated to react true to life - the perfect interaction. Procedural - non-scripted interactivity. Mindblowing. Catch my drift now? "

@Diamond

@CL60:  I don't know why you've been so dense in this thread.  We've pointed out where he lied, it doesn't even have to do with the experience.  Whatever, if you don't understand that at this point you're just being a fool.   Anyways I feel like all the optimism towards cloud based offsite rendering is coming from technological and economical ignorance. "

Yep, console development can take billions, and lately, save for the Wii, they gladly take a huge loss on the hardware sales as well at the potential of future profits and larger market share. MMO's take millions to develop, they charge about $50 up front then you pay $15 a month for unlimited use. Seems to cover it just fine. Heard some MMO's even make a profit. You also don't seem to beaware of Moore's Law. Eventually tech to do what he is proposing will not only be affordable, but CHEAP as well. Most likely not within the next decade, but it's not like he is talking about a system that will never be feasible.   Your basically constructing an argument to shoot down a 'what if' daydream he wishes could be true today, that he just happened to post. Relax. Its just an internet message board. "

Also they aren't simply setting up gaming rigs with all these games installed and letting you control them remotely. That's how they originally started, iirc, but had to change their system for it to work properly.