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#1 Edited by Ace829 (2106 posts) -

So a bombshell was just dropped this afternoon. I'll just leave the link so you all can decide for yourselves. I'm still trying to formulate my opinion. This is madness.

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What are your thoughts?

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#2 Edited by ameverrit (3 posts) -
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#3 Edited by thatpinguino (2826 posts) -

Techraptor is not a reputable news outlet so I wouldn't listen to a word they say. The National Enquirer has a lot of things to say about the world too, but I don't listen to them either.

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#4 Posted by brandondryrock (887 posts) -

Why don't they sue Phil Fish to get compensation for their work if he stole from them?

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#5 Posted by ratamero (385 posts) -

Lots of allegations and hand-wavy "evidence", as always. Non-ironic use of "SJW" and "gaming media's inner circle". Catering to GGers. Just ignore it.

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#6 Posted by MFJubes (81 posts) -

Lots of talk here about stories like this validating GamerGate, which...ugh...no amount of "corruption" or breaches in "ethics" makes up for everything else that movement stands for.

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#7 Edited by brandondryrock (887 posts) -

@erickmartins: That website was started because of GG, saying they are the ones posting the real truth. Like you, I would like to see more evidence of these allegations. If these allegations are true, then these two developers need to take Phil Fish to court.

EDIT: TechRaptor was actually founded in 2013. I was wrong about it starting up because of GG.

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#8 Posted by ratamero (385 posts) -

@brandondryrock: if they were true, and there was hard evidence of it, they would have already done, probably.

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#9 Edited by Ace829 (2106 posts) -

Techraptor is not a reputable news outlet so I wouldn't listen to a word they say. The National Enquirer has a lot of things to say about the world too, but I don't listen to them either.

Based on what exactly?

@mfjubes said:

Lots of talk here about stories like this validating GamerGate, which...ugh...no amount of "corruption" or breaches in "ethics" makes up for everything else that movement stands for.

You seem misinformed. :^)

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#10 Edited by Itwastuesday (1269 posts) -

did this article just include unqualified uses of the terms "SJW" and "GG"????

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#11 Posted by MFJubes (81 posts) -

@ace829: Ah, this makes more sense now.

Nothing to see here, folks.

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#12 Posted by Pilgore (315 posts) -

Shhhh, you're attracting the Sea Lions!

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#13 Posted by mak_wikus (775 posts) -

@itwastuesday: Yes, it's a GG website.

Someone, please, lock this thread down before it turns into another cesspool of screaming and debunked conspiracy theories.

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#14 Edited by august (4073 posts) -

BOMBSHELL

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#15 Posted by MFJubes (81 posts) -

@itwastuesday: Yes, it's a GG website.

Someone, please, lock this thread down before it turns into another cesspool of screaming and debunked conspiracy theories.

I'll second that.

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#16 Posted by thatpinguino (2826 posts) -

@ace829: I'm not playing the evidence game with you. I know the gg playbook too well for this nonsense. I've read seen Techraptor stories before and they are as slanted as a two legged table. I don't find gg propaganda sites to be reputable sources of news or information.

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#17 Edited by mellotronrules (2419 posts) -

well, this certainly seems legitimate.

odd that every major outlet missed the scoop of the decade.

collusion?

(i forgot to had the hardest /s i possibly could)

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#19 Posted by thatpinguino (2826 posts) -

I especially enjoy the first commenter's 5 day old account with two posts on it. You know people can see when you create puppet accounts on this site right?

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#20 Posted by TheHT (15665 posts) -

My thoughts are you should post most info instead of just dropping a link. I ain't visiting that website.

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#21 Posted by Kidavenger (4417 posts) -

Seems like the other guy walked away from it rather than Fish stealing it.

Nothing I hate more than someone coming out of the cracks looking for money after something has been successful.

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#22 Posted by MFJubes (81 posts) -

@ace829 said:
@mfjubes said:

@ace829: Ah, this makes more sense now.

Nothing to see here, folks.

So you have no argument? Cool.

Nope. Interpret that however you want.

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#23 Posted by Ace829 (2106 posts) -

Anyway, back to the topic at hand.

I'm not too surprised that this is coming to light considering the smoke that was rising about possible corruption in the IGF after Fish's website got hacked.

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#24 Posted by thatpinguino (2826 posts) -

@ace829: Enjoy your "win" I guess? You have more time to "argue" this crap than I do. Good day.

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#25 Posted by cloudymusic (2073 posts) -

@ace829 said:

So a bombshell was just dropped this afternoon. I'll just leave the link so you all can decide for yourselves. I'm still trying to formulate my opinion.

I love the feigned attempt at impartiality here.

You might want to check the site rules: "News or articles found elsewhere and copy pasted into the forums as a new topic without signifiant original commentary will be treated as spam."

Unless you're still "trying to formulate your opinion," I'd suggest you offer some actual content to go with your link, rather than just vaguely sniping at people like you've done so far.

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#26 Posted by brandondryrock (887 posts) -

@theht: Two developers that worked with Phil Fish on Fez back in 2008 claim that Fish stole game mechanics from them to create Fez. They told this to Allistair Pinsof, who used to write for Destructoid, and he relayed that information to this website.

Like I said earlier, if there is hard evidence about these allegations, these two developers should be taking Fish to court instead of telling a games writer about it. This reason alone makes me believe that there is a lot of misleading information in that article.

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#27 Edited by mento (4128 posts) -

Really don't see this thread going anywhere good.

TechRaptor is not a reputable news source, and this site and its staff/moderators have made several statements regarding how welcome GamerGate conspiracy nonsense is here. Which is to say, not very. Just causes way too many arguments.

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#28 Edited by mento (4128 posts) -

This thread isn't going anywhere good.

TechRaptor is not a reputable news source and we don't allow derisive hearsay, especially when regarding a certain movement and its proponents. It's lead to far too many angry and dismissive threads in the past.

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#29 Posted by joshwent (2897 posts) -

I'm not gonna ignorantly outright dismiss any article/interview for the site it's on or the people behind it... but that thing reads like gossiping high school kids at best. And no matter what the reality is behind Fez (we already know that there were fights and that certain people didn't get the credit they deserved for their contributions), it's increasingly ridiculous that certain folks have latched on to "exposing" how this pretty humble little French-Canadian guy with some anger issues is... in fact... some kind of Moriarty-esque indie game crime lord that only gained success for his (actually pretty great no matter what) game by greasing palms and using his insidious insider connections.

Dude made one tiny game. Get the fuck over it.

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#30 Posted by Nightriff (7189 posts) -

If this gets out of hand, lock it mods. I'll leave it up to you guys to discern if the discussion is good or bad.

Ultimately if this is proven true then bad on Phil. But I'll wait for more proof to come out. Our society is so quick to promote facts as truths, then once they are proven false the story gets buried but few actually know the actual truth. See the recent Deflategate with the NFL.

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#31 Posted by mento (4128 posts) -

Can't see this thread going anywhere good.

TechRaptor is not a reputable news source and we've said multiple times in the past that we aren't tolerating any threads regarding a certain movement and its proponents. Just leads to far too many angry and dismissive threads.

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#32 Posted by Chaser324 (8577 posts) -

Sorry, we really have no interest in allowing links to or discussion of articles that are full of seemingly baseless allegations and language that would get a post deleted over here.

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