Preference: Mechanical or Narrative Focus?

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Poll Preference: Mechanical or Narrative Focus? (154 votes)

I prefer mechanically driven games. 27%
I prefer games with a strong narrative. 23%
It's not mutually exclusive. So why not both? Both at the same time! 47%
Other. 1%
Results. 1%
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#51  Edited By LackingSaint

Ideally both, but I went with mechanics. Solid mechanics will always make a good game, even with shaky narrative elements, and in some cases good mechanics can create a better internal story for the player (think about a survival-based game like DayZ or STALKER, or a strategy game like XCOM or Civ). On the other hand, a great narrative in a game with poorly-done mechanics never really feels like it's taking full advantage of the medium, so I never feel as involved as I should be (To The Moon is a prime example of an absolutely heartbreaking story, but I still came out of the game lukewarm because actually playing it sucked so much).

I don't think The Walking Dead is a good example of a "good narrative, bad mechanics" game; a massive part of the appeal for players is feeling like they always have some aspect of involvement in the story, keeping people on their toes because a moral conflict could pop up at any moment. I think of it more as a puzzle game, except they're moral puzzles and not logic puzzles.

Journey is probably the perfect example of a game that merges mechanics and narrative; without one, the other wouldn't matter nearly as much, and together they make a really impactful experience.

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My general rule is that video games are to be played. That goes with good gameplay. Narrative can be created by the player with very little foundation by the devs. HL2 seems like a good example of a dev nailing both elements.

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@video_game_king: Well, are choose-your-own-adventure books video games? That's basically what it comes down to. The big issue is that people try to compare something like XCOM to the Walking Dead and give one an award over the other; it just doesn't work; there is no basis for comparison. They aren't even the same thing to begin with; thus one must be one thing and the other must be another distinct thing. It's not like 2 divergent movies, novels, or even board games; they are not the same type of product.

Not video games, obviously, but why can't choose-your-own-adventures be some sort of game? Or, better question, are text adventures games? The Walking Dead is an evolution of both of those things. It's not a "different type of product" than X-Com, it's no more different than a painting by Jackson Pollock and a painting by Thomas Kinkade. Both paintings, vastly different.

@believer258:

Video games are a little weird in that they're far more susceptible to the audience seeing themselves as the character on screen than they are in any other medium. Sometimes, it's on purpose (generally any game that seeks to criticize games), but sometimes, it seems ingrained in how we talk about games. Which of the following do you hear more often: "I beat Bowser and rescued the princess" or "Mario beat Bowser and rescued the princess?" Even if you don't go into the discussion thinking that you were performing those actions, your language stands a chance of shaping your language toward that end. But whatever the reason, it remains that video games are special in that regard. Best to know about this and use it to our advantage in crafting narratives, right?

Align yourself meaning "become", "agree with absolutely", "would do absolutely everything in the same way were you in his or her position". I don't mean that you would be on their side of a conflict./EDIT

Sounds a bit extreme, and I might have been speaking in impressions, but still, I can imagine the sentiment I quote being put to good use. Maybe. Even with resistant readings.

Or maybe I just need more nuanced definitions of constriction. Go read up on that narratology shit.

When I say "I beat Bowser", I mean that in a mechanical sense. Mario was the object through which I performed several different functions, I was never at any point Mario himself. He was a tool. Mario's a tool. Every video game character is a tool. (joking mark needed)

Besides, if we're going to talk about the language used, then what about finishing party-based RPG's? When I finally beat Kefka in my current playthrough of Final Fantasy 6 (don't spoil me if a Zeromus equivalent pops up out of bloody nowhere), I will have done it using four different characters - will I be all four characters at once? That's impossible. Terra, Locke, Sabin, and Cyan are all different characters. Again, I will have "beaten" Kefka via a set of mechanics. Storywise, Terra, Locke, Sabin, and Cyan will have beaten Kefka. I'm still not the character on screen, I'm just controlling them.

Incidentally, another thing that's been getting more and more annoying is silent protagonists. Cecil, Terra, Cloud, Zidane, and Tidus all at least talk, they're at least people, and that's probably been one of the most refreshing things about playing the FF series, even if not all of them are really likable.

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#54  Edited By viking_funeral

Depends on the game, but gameplay generally comes first.

I don't play Mario Kart for the story. If that game had a story, it would probably annoy me. Same for a lot of fighting games. Yet, I really enjoyed the story mode in Mortal Kombat 9. So in some cases gameplay > story.

There are some mix cases, like Dark Souls, where I would probably enjoy it less without the story, but without the mechanics that game would be nothing. Same with something like FTL.

A rare few games I really play for the story despite the gameplay, and awkwardly, a few of them are my all-time favorites. Like Planescape: Torment or Alpha Protocol. (Maybe it's just Obsidian games in general. Heh.)

So, yeah, depends.