Sony and PD trying to cheat there way to victory lane.

I expect a MASSAIVE amount of DLC over the next few years from Turn 10.

With all due respect, i disagree.

So even if GT5 is a good game, they cheated there way to it by stealing ideas and polishing, so would it be fair to say that Forza has stolen the whole idea of car simulation from GT1?

Also forza totally stole the idea of rewinding time in races fro the codies series 
 
Also - dude, really??

 AAA is to do with the budget not the quality of a game
 
Also you have yet to play gta5 maybe you should STFU and wait for it to come out 1st

It's like you were trying to make some sort of profound statement about the state of simulation racers, while completely ignoring the fact that Gran Turismo 5 wont be released for months.

You do know that AAA has nothing to do with how good a game is.

well GT5p was only AA. 
 
Forza 3 was AAA 
 
GT5 will be AAAAAAYY 
 

Honestly I will get GT5 also.  

 pinicle of racing games.   

 top are hat  

 3 strait high caliber  

 hit or mis   

 basicly fail.  

ost likely   

  Sony and PD are clearly nerves  

intimadated by  

basicly done  

putting polish on the game  

sameway

honeslty  

PD new they were beat  

 clealry delayed  

developement time  

 a complete cheat to victory lane  

 clearly be only becuase  

 dodgeing the match up and realesing  

 on the notion of just bringing it to the table.  

And with 3 strait AAA games"

What the hell. Dude? They're holding GT back because they want to make it better. Yes, it's taking them a ridiculous amount of time, but whatever. It has nothing to do with the strengths of the Forza brand or anything else for that matter.

Dudes, don't feed the troll!

Yay! Troll! *pets the troll*

" Also forza totally stole the idea of rewinding time in races fro the codies series"

I read the first sentence of the opening post, then stopped.
 

The OP made me laugh. Like, not laugh out loud, but a subdued laugh, just a tiny step above a chuckle.

" This thread is ridiculous. So the guy created an account recently, and his first thread created is a series of inane rambling. Is this normal for gb, I'm somewhat new here. "

Keep that AAA shit to System Wars. This is Giant Bomb. We don't give a fuck about scores.

...Dr. Cash?

" ...Dr. Cash? "

I prefer Forza over the GT series but this post is still pure fail.

If that was true, Then that would be good. That means that GT5 is going to be a way better game because of Forza and Turn 10 and to me that sounds great.  

Don't say we. I'm not your buddy, guy.

I'm not so sure what you are trying to say, except you are in seventh heaven with Forza 3? PD is cheating, because they delayed the release schedule? They saw Forza 3 in TGS and got scared? During this six months between TGS and march, PD is trying to copy F3? The game can't be "AAA", because it's been delayed so many times? I don't know...anyways...
 
First of all. It's very unlikely that PD has been developing this form of GT5 for 5 years. Because, some of you might remember, Gran Turismo HD, was suppose to be the first demo of GT5 and base for the game. But that thing was thrown in to the garbage and the development start from the beginning. Then few years later came GT5 Prologue. The first actual demo of the game. And at the time there were discussions that Prologue would eventually be the full game. And that would be done by expansions. Then that idea was thrown in to the garbage. And after that the full-fledged development could start.
 
And so here we are at the Tokyo Game Show, where Kazunori Yamauchi says that they are aiming for march 2010 release. Did they get "intimidated" by the Forza 3? Who knows. But would they delay they're game for 6 months because of it? No. Why? Because if they saw something that they felt "intimidating", then why only 6 months? There's only so little you can do within 6 months. You have to remember that every little thing they add to the game has to go through QA and that stuff takes some time.
 
So what could be the reason for the delay? Hmm...
 
Then it must be that they don't want to compete with Forza 3...Oh! Wait!
 
Or maybe...well this is very unlikely, but maybe they don't want to compete with PS3 exclusive games that comes out at the end of the year :O? Crazy huh? I know...
 
Could there be any more perfect release date than mere weeks within Final Fantasy XIII (which will be released in Japan at December)? Sony's two biggest series released at the same time. Perfect timing.
 
But why would PD be scared to go "Head-to-Head" with Forza 3? You know that postponing the release of GT5 they are willingly letting the Forza 3 sell more? If you just take a moment and think about it, by releasing the game months after Forza 3, there isn't any competition for Forza 3. Forza 3 can sell consoles and the game itself as much as they can. But if GT5 were released at the same time, there would be competition. They both would be competing for same markets. Which would be new customers (those who don't own 360 or PS3) and those who own both. And now there has been sold few more 360's and Forza 3's. And recardless of the fine quality (not being sarcastic) of Forza 3, the new customers are more likely to buy GT5. This is only because in the eyes of a so called "casual gamer" Gran Turismo series is much more well known. At least for now. And the latter markets would probably buy both. Not at the same time but few months between.
 
Of course it's not smart to release two similar games at the same time, but that is mostly only if they are released at the same platform. And I do think that it's likely that someone from the marketing department said that "it might be better if we don't release GT5 at the same time as the Forza 3". But I think it's much more likely that the marketing dude said "let's postpone the release to march 2010 so that Final Fantasy XIII can sell X amount of consoles and GT5, at the end of fiscal year, an X amount of consoles". Because at the end, it's rarely the case where the developer says when the game will be released. Actually I don't that's ever happened...
 
Peace

"I'm not so sure what you are trying to say, except you are in seventh heaven with Forza 3? PD is cheating, because they delayed the release schedule? They saw Forza 3 in TGS and got scared? During this six months between TGS and march, PD is trying to copy F3? The game can't be "AAA", because it's been delayed so many times? I don't know...anyways...  First of all. It's very unlikely that PD has been developing this form of GT5 for 5 years. Because, some of you might remember, Gran Turismo HD, was suppose to be the first demo of GT5 and base for the game. But that thing was thrown in to the garbage and the development start from the beginning. Then few years later came GT5 Prologue. The first actual demo of the game. And at the time there were discussions that Prologue would eventually be the full game. And that would be done by expansions. Then that idea was thrown in to the garbage. And after that the full-fledged development could start.  And so here we are at the Tokyo Game Show, where Kazunori Yamauchi says that they are aiming for march 2010 release. Did they get "intimidated" by the Forza 3? Who knows. But would they delay they're game for 6 months because of it? No. Why? Because if they saw something that they felt "intimidating", then why only 6 months? There's only so little you can do within 6 months. You have to remember that every little thing they add to the game has to go through QA and that stuff takes some time.  So what could be the reason for the delay? Hmm...  Then it must be that they don't want to compete with Forza 3...Oh! Wait!  Or maybe...well this is very unlikely, but maybe they don't want to compete with PS3 exclusive games that comes out at the end of the year :O? Crazy huh? I know...  Could there be any more perfect release date than mere weeks within Final Fantasy XIII (which will be released in Japan at December)? Sony's two biggest series released at the same time. Perfect timing.  But why would PD be scared to go "Head-to-Head" with Forza 3? You know that postponing the release of GT5 they are willingly letting the Forza 3 sell more? If you just take a moment and think about it, by releasing the game months after Forza 3, there isn't any competition for Forza 3. Forza 3 can sell consoles and the game itself as much as they can. But if GT5 were released at the same time, there would be competition. They both would be competing for same markets. Which would be new customers (those who don't own 360 or PS3) and those who own both. And now there has been sold few more 360's and Forza 3's. And recardless of the fine quality (not being sarcastic) of Forza 3, the new customers are more likely to buy GT5. This is only because in the eyes of a so called "casual gamer" Gran Turismo series is much more well known. At least for now. And the latter markets would probably buy both. Not at the same time but few months between.  Of course it's not smart to release two similar games at the same time, but that is mostly only if they are released at the same platform. And I do think that it's likely that someone from the marketing department said that "it might be better if we don't release GT5 at the same time as the Forza 3". But I think it's much more likely that the marketing dude said "let's postpone the release to march 2010 so that Final Fantasy XIII can sell X amount of consoles and GT5, at the end of fiscal year, an X amount of consoles". Because at the end, it's rarely the case where the developer says when the game will be released. Actually I don't that's ever happened...  Peace "

I've seen an interview even recent that Kazunori Yamauchi himself said GT5 started debelopement 5 years ago. I also read the interview with Kazunori Yamauchi back in June over the summer when he stated GT5 was basicly done and could be released. Then we started seeing sites psoting Dec,09 release dates for GT5. Then TGS happens BAM then GT5 is said to be delayed within a week after the TGS.

YES Kazunori Yamauchi and PD are clearly and have been intimadated by Turn 10 for years now. They delayed the game becuase they new on paper head to head they did not have the better game then Forza 3 if they released it. So they are clearly scrambling to make changes and mods to try and spruce GT5 up more.

Not just me saying this developers at TGS all came away saying the samething Forza 3 was the better game in basicly every catagory. If you think Kazunori Yamauchi and PD did not see Forza and read and hear the developer thoughts your crazy. They got beat again by Turn 10 so are now clearly trying to like i said beaf  up GT5 to make it better.

" I've seen an interview even recent that Kazunori Yamauchi himself said GT5 started debelopement 5 years ago. I also read the interview with Kazunori Yamauchi back in June over the summer when he stated GT5 was basicly done and could be released. Then we started seeing sites psoting Dec,09 release dates for GT5. Then TGS happens BAM then GT5 is said to be delayed within a week after the TGS.

 

YES Kazunori Yamauchi and PD are clearly and have been intimadated by Turn 10 for years now. They delayed the game becuase they new on paper head to head they did not have the better game then Forza 3 if they released it. So they are clearly scrambling to make changes and mods to try and spruce GT5 up more.

 

Not just me saying this developers at TGS all came away saying the samething Forza 3 was the better game in basicly every catagory. If you think Kazunori Yamauchi and PD did not see Forza and read and hear the developer thoughts your crazy. They got beat again by Turn 10 so are now clearly trying to like i said beaf  up GT5 to make it better.

"

"@Slof said:

" I've seen an interview even recent that Kazunori Yamauchi himself said GT5 started debelopement 5 years ago. I also read the interview with Kazunori Yamauchi back in June over the summer when he stated GT5 was basicly done and could be released. Then we started seeing sites psoting Dec,09 release dates for GT5. Then TGS happens BAM then GT5 is said to be delayed within a week after the TGS.

 

YES Kazunori Yamauchi and PD are clearly and have been intimadated by Turn 10 for years now. They delayed the game becuase they new on paper head to head they did not have the better game then Forza 3 if they released it. So they are clearly scrambling to make changes and mods to try and spruce GT5 up more.

 

Not just me saying this developers at TGS all came away saying the samething Forza 3 was the better game in basicly every catagory. If you think Kazunori Yamauchi and PD did not see Forza and read and hear the developer thoughts your crazy. They got beat again by Turn 10 so are now clearly trying to like i said beaf  up GT5 to make it better.

"

 Yes. I've also read the same interview. But like I said in my original post, it's unlikely that it's the same GT5 they have been developing the 5 years. Yes they have been developing GT5 since '05, but it has been started from the beginning at least once. And that was after they decided to forget the work they did with GT HD.  I know PD saw Forza 3 on TGS. At least so the news say. And I wouldn't be surprised. You on the other hand probably would be surprised if you knew that there is actually little to none things like envy, hatred, competition etc. between game developers. Just admiration and respect towards others work. So I wouldn't be surprised if Kazunori Yamauchi himself would have go and shake hands with Turn 10 guys and congratulate them from the great work they had done with the game. The competition that there is between the games are purely made by marketing department. Only thing that developer is aiming for is to release the best game as they possibly can.  Most of the times the delays, especially when we are talking about mere months, is decided by the marketing department. If the game is done, developer wants to get the game out as soon as possible.  And GT5 is done. If not only minor tweaks and tricks, but if the game will be released in march 2010, then the game is done. No question about it. All the new trailers, whether it's Mercedes or Toyota, have been done months before. This is all about marketing and keeping people interested. This is the same stuff as "going gold"-bullshit, which is just this stupid marketing thing to keep the game in the news and tell people that the game will be shipping in the matter of weeks.  But anyways...weather you beleave me or not, but GT5 has been probably 95% done for at least six months. The things they can do are minor things. Weather it's something with the online play server side or QA trying to "break the game" for a last time.  EDIT: Almost forgot. When it was "announced" that GT5 was coming in december 2009 (which was in GDCif I remember correctly), that was august. But what happened septemper? Final Fantasy XIII Japanese release date was announced to be December 17th. And after that GT5 was postponed. Coincidence?  EDIT 2: Also I probably should be more specific. When I say marketing department, I mean Publishers marketing department. They are the ones making the calls when the game is released and what can be said and what will be shown. And in GT5's case SCE is publishing the game. And surprise, surprise, they want to profit as much as possible from the release. And in case of Final Fantasy XIII the publisher is Square Enix. So Square Enix decided to release FF XIII in december, quarantee it will sell tons of PS3's. So no wonder that SCE decided to postpone the release of GT5, in which they have control, to march 2010. And that only comes down to money. Because both games will sell consoles. And both games will sell like crazy. But not if they are released at the same time. Who knows how much GT5 will be when it's released, but what we know is that FF XIII is going to be $100. "

I demand ice cream .
EDIT : there is totally ice cream in my freezer .......brb

"@Slof: Really? It's a video game. This has been the most ridiculous thread I've seen. If Forza 3 is such a life changing experience as you make it seem, play your game. If you feel Polyphony Digital is cheating, no one is forcing you to buy it. Lock the thread, and play your 'best game ever.' "

" ...Dr. Cash? "

"wow dude forza copied gt? gt pretty much started racing simulation. you sir/lady are my shittard of the day! CONGRATULATIONS!! "

" I demand ice cream . EDIT : there is totally ice cream in my freezer .......brb "

Racings Sims are SRS BIZNIS

I loved GT1
GT2 was great
GT3 was ok
GT4 was .... not good
GT5P was an insulting demo
GT5 game is .. delayed again
 
I loved Forza1
Forza2 rocked my world
Forza3 is here and its the best racing game to date.

" I respect what you say and all. You do have good spin control. I gather it seems you are clearly more of a GT fan then Forza and I'm cool with that. like I also said I think GT will be a great game. I just call it how I see it.  My problems with most of what you say are related to you make several mentions about sales and marketing. So in other words Sony choose take there best selling franchise basicly and skip the holidays? Come on I do not buy that. Clearly sales will be more flat in March VS December holiday sales? Not to mention GT5 would push PS3 systems for holidays. So if you even say yourslef the game is done then no way Sony would miss Holiday 09 and help push PS3 systems sales also.  I tend to beleive it is more of what I say. PD new they were beat again after seeing Forza 3 at TGS and sveral big name mags sites said the same after reviewing the show. This is more about Sony not wanting to get beat again by Turn 10 then you realize. Sony did what they had to do go back and try and spruce GT5 up even further becuase they new if they released GT5 in it's already done form in Dec like planned that Forza3 and it's 9.5 score would be pooping all over them and they are going to do anything to try and avoid that. So this is why if GT5 was to match of even dare say it score a 10 it is without question becuase Sony and PD limped over the finish line carrying Turn 10's jock strap. Turn 10 has been carring PD and Sony for years now.   The only way Sony and PD can beat Turn 10 is to be Forza's Bitch and avoid head to head encounters and to watch and feed off of what Turn 10 does and and try and position themselfs best they can to avoid a head to head match up. Turn 10 is PD's DADDY no question. "