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#1 Posted by flaminghobo (4787 posts) -

My friends and I are in the middle of a discussion about video game sequels that surpass their predecessors. We've come up with a few easy ones like Mass Effect 2, System Shock 2, Devil May Cry 3 etc.

What are your opinions dudes?

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#2 Posted by mercutio123 (569 posts) -

Burnout 2 then 3. For me Revenge is then a bit of a dip. Not much but it's there. I suppose you could say that most racing sims like forza and gran turismo have surpassed their originals.

Also I think Gears Of War 2 takes the original on every front. Also Assassin's Creed II is obvious.

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#3 Edited by wchigo (900 posts) -

Depends on if you're looking for specific titles I guess, and this topic will be extremely subjective.

I thought a lot of the Final Fantasy games after the first were better, for instance. Kingdom Hearts 2, Uncharted 2, Assassin's Creed 2, Dark Souls, Resident Evil 4, I felt Persona 4 was a better game than 3 (never played the first two).

All I can really come up with at the moment...

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#4 Posted by Bane122 (968 posts) -

Silent Hill 2, Uncharted 2, Fable 2, any of the Halo games except 2, Persona 3/4, Saints Row 2, Gears 2/3, all Marios except 2, etc...

It's a really common thing for video games.

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#5 Posted by Pie (7364 posts) -

Uncharted 2. I might disagree with Ass 2 in that rather than expanding upon some of the more daring gameplay from Ass 1 it just stripped a lot of it out and polished what was left to be a big good old action game

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#6 Posted by ThePair (9 posts) -

Uncharted 2, Diablo 2, Starcraft 2

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#7 Posted by Video_Game_King (36564 posts) -

Most of them?

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#8 Edited by csl316 (14959 posts) -

Zone of the Enders 2, Uncharted 2, Guitar Hero 2, Sonic 2, and... let's go with Mass Effect 3.

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#11 Edited by devise22 (730 posts) -

Yeah games don't suffer the same issues as movies usually do when it comes to sequels. Specifically with the first one. Most of the good or great video game franchises end up starting with a solid first game that has a bunch of issues/stuff that they would of liked to iron out/include but it was a new IP. Then in the first sequel they are able to polish out the look of the game, the engine, and include much more that they wanted to while improving upon the base of the game. Which usually ends up being much better.

More often than not when you hit the 3rd or 4th game in a VG franchise, if they are plagued to go on that long...you see hyped expectations, disappointing endings, not enough new things, and ultimately the fanbase and VG world being much more harsh on the game for doing a lot of the same things. The second game is generally always the sweet spot when it comes to quality games in a franchise. Of course there are exceptions to this, but more often than not.

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#12 Posted by SomberOwl (925 posts) -

Definitely Mass Effect 2, Also:

  • Age of Empires 2
  • Borderlands 2
  • Far Cry 3
  • Portal 2
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#13 Posted by Humanity (18734 posts) -

Condemned 2 - no matter what people out there claim.

You could makes peoples heads explode, with your mind!

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#14 Posted by TheManWithNoPlan (7832 posts) -

Uncharted 2, Mass Effect 2, and Portal 2.

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#15 Posted by DonutFever (4051 posts) -

Mass Effect 2. The original isn't a great game, haters!

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#16 Posted by Leonshade (73 posts) -

Games are kinda weird in this regard, compared to most other mediums. The first one in a franchise is a lot harder to get right, since you have to create so much from scratch. Sequels are a lot easier, because you can build on top of what already exists.

Then there's franchises like Mario, Zelda, GTA and others which can be completely different from where they started.

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#17 Posted by Immortal_Guy (203 posts) -

Almost all fighting game sequels are straight-up additions or improvements.

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#18 Posted by mezmero (3742 posts) -

Streets of Rage 2 comes to mind. I'm of the opinion that they improve upon a game in sequel more often than not.

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#19 Edited by ArtisanBreads (9107 posts) -

@bane122 said:

Silent Hill 2, Uncharted 2, Fable 2, any of the Halo games except 2, Persona 3/4, Saints Row 2, Gears 2/3, all Marios except 2, etc...

It's a really common thing for video games.

Yep. Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat II, Doom II, Assassins Creed II, Day of the Tentacle, GTA 3, Dynasty Warriors 2, Hitman 2, Shinobi II, Streets of Rage 2.

There are more and it's very common like you say. When a developer can get a second crack at an idea they obviously can do a lot of meaningful change and improvements and the results are better a lot of times.

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#20 Edited by Winternet (8447 posts) -

@flaminghobo said:

We've come up with a few easy ones like Mass Effect 2

You've already entered debatable territory.

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#21 Posted by ichthy (1366 posts) -

It's probably way tougher to identify a third game in a series that is superior to its two predecessors.

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#23 Posted by Whitestripes09 (918 posts) -

Crash 1 from 2 was a massive improvement. Same with spyro up until year of the dragon I think. Jak 2 took away some of the more charming aspects of Jak and Daxter, but the gameplay itself was definitely a lot funner. I think generally speaking that most sequels to video games are a lot better. The second game in any series is always good, except for a select few.

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#24 Posted by ArbitraryWater (15698 posts) -

Most of them?

Yeah, the more fun question would be: How many installments does it take for a series to break and start going downhill?

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#25 Posted by Video_Game_King (36564 posts) -

How many installments does it take for a series to break and start going downhill?

Three to four, usually.

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#26 Posted by hippocrit (290 posts) -

Dragon Age 2 ;)

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#27 Edited by korwin (3918 posts) -

Assassin's Creed 2 is fairly obvious answer (though there was something kind of special about the tone of the first game).

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#28 Posted by DeadpanCakes (1138 posts) -

Dragon Age 2 ;)

Dammit! I was gonna say that, haha

But yeah, lot's of games tend to get better with their sequels.

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#29 Posted by GrantHeaslip (1869 posts) -

I'm not the one to do it, but someone's going to come in here in and say Zelda 2.

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#30 Posted by JakeLogan (226 posts) -

NOT Bloodrayne 2

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#31 Edited by pr1mus (4158 posts) -

This isn't very hard to answer, you should ask for 3rd installments that are better than the second and it's already more challenging and if you want to get crazy ask for 4th over 3rd.

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#32 Posted by devise22 (730 posts) -
@pr1mus said:

This isn't very hard to answer, you should ask for 3rd installments that are better than the second and it's already more challenging and if you want to get crazy ask for 4th over 3rd.

Yeah third installments better than the second or even the first are tough. AC Brotherhood is technically a "third" installment even though it's more of an expansion. Halo 3 is the best in the entire series or at least tied with ODST imo. I thought Fable 3 was the better than the second as well. Resident Evil 4, one of the best in the series. Super Mario...maybe. The Third in that was great. Grand Theft Auto. *Thinks* That is certainly tough. A few f them but not a lot of modern stuff to be honest. Skyrim I suppose.

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#33 Posted by JeanLuc (3883 posts) -

While story and characters come down to personal opinion, the mechanics of Persona 4 are vastly superior to Persona 3.

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#34 Posted by Gruebacca (813 posts) -

Video games as a medium are special in that sequels to an original game are usually better. While movies live and die mainly by their stories, games also have gameplay and graphics to improve on. Sequels give developers more time to refine mechanics and flesh out details that the first game would not give them the time for. Video games also evolve much quicker than movies do, so newer and better experiences can be produced relatively quick.

What I'm saying is this isn't a hard question. You'd be harder pressed to find sequels that were worse than the original. Now, if we're talking sequels that came after a sequel, then we enter debatable territory because the quality of those sequels is dependent on a lot of different factors.

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#35 Posted by ll_Exile_ll (3014 posts) -

@jeanluc said:

While story and characters come down to personal opinion, the mechanics of Persona 4 are vastly superior to Persona 3.

Most of them, but they got of rid of things like weapon fusion, combo skills, and the different types of physical damage. It wasn't a complete improvement.

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#36 Posted by JeanLuc (3883 posts) -
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#37 Posted by Castiel (3474 posts) -

Well this is the one point where video games are kinda unique since the sequel is almost always better than the original.

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#38 Posted by Redbullet685 (6480 posts) -

The best example of this has to be Uncharted 2.

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#39 Posted by e30bmw (650 posts) -

@redbullet685: I dunno, the leap from AC1 to AC2 is pretty astounding having played both of those this summer within weeks of each other.

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#40 Posted by MightyDuck (2019 posts) -

Socom 2, Warcraft 2, Uncharted 2, Infamous 2, Mass Effect 2

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#41 Posted by Redbullet685 (6480 posts) -

@e30bmw: You do have a point there. Alright I'll give you that one. AC to ACII is a bigger jump in quality and therefore ACII is the best example of this with Uncharted 2 right behind

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#42 Posted by Hunkulese (4225 posts) -

It would be more interesting to find the games where the sequel was worse.

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#43 Posted by Vorpal (55 posts) -

Just wanted to throw Lufia 2 into the mix. I love the first game to death, but Lufia 2 improves on the original in so many ways: IP Attacks, New Game+, Capsule Monsters (love them or hate them, but how dare you hate them), party size, the new iteration on the Ancient Cave--even the plot builds on the first in an interesting way.

I thought the FFX-2 battle system was much more compelling than FFX, but I'm a sucker for job systems.

Also, Suikoden II! (And Suikoden III as a rare third entry in a series that holds up.) Breath of Fire 2 and 3 are also great!

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#44 Posted by Counterclockwork87 (1180 posts) -

It would be more interesting to find the games where the sequel was worse.

I agree, the grand majority of the time the sequel is better in video games, so it's not a very interesting question. Crackdown 2 and Toejam and Earl 2 come directly to mind as sequels that were recieved much more poorly than their predecessers.

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#45 Edited by xaLieNxGrEyx (2646 posts) -

@redbullet685: Assassin's Creed 2 should be on all worst of the generation lists that game was abysmal, destructoid was right about everything.

Then again, Assassins Creed 1 in retrospect isn't much better than Ryse on the Xbone.

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#46 Posted by SgtSphynx (2617 posts) -

Lufia II

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#47 Posted by Andorski (5482 posts) -

@pr1mus said:

This isn't very hard to answer, you should ask for 3rd installments that are better than the second and it's already more challenging and if you want to get crazy ask for 4th over 3rd.

3rd better than the 2nd: Super Mario Bros. 3

4th better than 3rd: Super Mario World (although I know a lot of people would debate it)

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#48 Posted by crithon (3979 posts) -

@bane122 said:

Silent Hill 2, Uncharted 2, Fable 2, any of the Halo games except 2, Persona 3/4, Saints Row 2, Gears 2/3, all Marios except 2, etc...

It's a really common thing for video games.

Yep. Street Fighter II, Mortal Kombat II, Doom II, Assassins Creed II, Day of the Tentacle, GTA 3, Dynasty Warriors 2, Hitman 2, Shinobi II, Streets of Rage 2.

There are more and it's very common like you say. When a developer can get a second crack at an idea they obviously can do a lot of meaningful change and improvements and the results are better a lot of times.

yup, I agree with that 100% lets take a look back at Street Fighter 1

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#49 Posted by joshwent (2897 posts) -

Ryse II*

(*comment postdated 3 years from now)

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#50 Edited by MetalBaofu (1705 posts) -

Easiest answer for me is Assassin's Creed. AC 2 is far better than AC 1. And now, AC 4 is far better than AC 3.