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#2  Edited By kashif1

@PufferFiz: Do an interview with him and post it, I want to know why these people felt the need to be such #$@$@#. (I'm not sure what those symbols mean either)

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#3  Edited By PufferFiz

Ha, well he is in court now and in FBI custody.

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#4  Edited By iam3green

pretty interesting, you never know what people do outside of school.
 
one time a kid broad a gun to school. it ended up being  a BB gun. kid told everyone which was pretty stupid of him. he ended up getting expelled from the school. he was black, just had to put that out there.

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#5  Edited By PrivateIronTFU

@iam3green said:

pretty interesting, you never know what people do outside of school. one time a kid broad a gun to school. it ended up being a BB gun. kid told everyone which was pretty stupid of him. he ended up getting expelled from the school. he was black, just had to put that out there.

A classmate once brought an actual gun to school. He was sent home for the rest of the day. He was white.

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#6  Edited By waitwhat

there was a gang fight during one of the football games at my high school. they were all hispanic.

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#7  Edited By cornbredx

Good. I love how hackers think they can get away with stuff.. oh shnap- IZ GOT CAUGHT- but i'm so awesome, how could this ever happen?

Real hackers are more intelligent then Lulzsec

@iam3green: @PrivateIronTFU: I once (many a year ago) brought a switch blade comb to school. I got suspended. I'm a dude of the white persuasion (which you can tell by my ridiculous word play). I was also mad poor. Just putting that out there. =P

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I put a hole in a wall at my church once. I am white.

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#9  Edited By kingclaw

A guy in my school threatened a teacher with a gun, he didn't point it at him, just shown it under his pants. Then the teacher went to the principal office and cried, it was hilarious.

The kid was expelled. He was mexican..... like most people in Mexico.

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#10  Edited By EuanDewar

This thread is weird.

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#11  Edited By PufferFiz

@CornBREDX said:

Good. I love how hackers think they can get away with stuff.. oh shnap- IZ GOT CAUGHT- but i'm so awesome, how could this ever happen?

Real hackers are more intelligent then Lulzsec

@iam3green: @PrivateIronTFU: I once (many a year ago) brought a switch blade comb to school. I got suspended. I'm a dude of the white persuasion (which you can tell by my ridiculous word play). I was also mad poor. Just putting that out there. =P

but the sad part is he will probably get a good job when he gets out

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#12  Edited By kashif1

@kingclaw said:

A guy in my school threatened a teacher with a gun, he didn't point it at him, just shown it under his pants. Then the teacher went to the principal office and cried, it was hilarious.

The kid was expelled. He was mexican..... like most people in Mexico.

Thats not very funny, I don't blame the teacher for being scared.

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#13  Edited By AuthenticM

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

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#14  Edited By kashif1

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10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

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#15  Edited By cornbredx

@PufferFiz: I don't think that's sad. That's just what happens, and no that's not a guarantee just likely if he cares to try being legit. All the high profile ones tend to have that happen anyway, and then they catch dudes like these. Its a crazy vicious cycle haha

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#17  Edited By AuthenticM

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

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#18  Edited By Mmmslash

@kashif1: You're confused here. Lulzsec and Anonymous are different groups. They're also not on friendly terms.

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#19  Edited By OllyOxenFree

@AuthenticM said:

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

Dude, are you serious?

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#20  Edited By kashif1

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@kashif1: You're confused here. Lulzsec and Anonymous are different groups. They're also not on friendly terms.

Didn't anonymous deny involvement in the psn attacks and didn't lulzsec take out sony pictures? I admit I was jumping to conclusions but it is a reasonable conclusion.

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#21  Edited By AuthenticM

@OllyOxenFree said:

@AuthenticM said:

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

Dude, are you serious?

I am very serious. I've seen murderers and child rapists get less than this. I'm sorry, but there is something seriously fucked up with you if you think that more than 10 years of prison or more for something like this is "okay".

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#22  Edited By OllyOxenFree

@AuthenticM said:

I am very serious.

OK, just checking.

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#23  Edited By kashif1

@AuthenticM said:

@OllyOxenFree said:

@AuthenticM said:

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

Dude, are you serious?

I am very serious. I've seen murderers and child rapists get less than this. I'm sorry, but there is something seriously fucked up with you if you think that more than 10 years of prison or more for something like this is "okay".

The murderers and child rapists should get more time, this guy should not get less.

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#24  Edited By AuthenticM

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

@OllyOxenFree said:

@AuthenticM said:

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

Dude, are you serious?

I am very serious. I've seen murderers and child rapists get less than this. I'm sorry, but there is something seriously fucked up with you if you think that more than 10 years of prison or more for something like this is "okay".

The murderers and child rapists should get more time, this guy should not get less.

Yes he should. Prison is not the panacea of society's ills.

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#25  Edited By Branthog

A school should be proud of fostering an intellect capable of monumental hacking activities instead of just another thug or gas-pumping dumb-ass. Most of today's bright tech stars (whether game developers or kernel hackers) started off doing things that were no big deal a couple decades ago but because of fear-mongering would get them on a watch-list and serving prison-time, today. Because people are fucking dumb-asses.
 
On the other hand, this cracker (proper term for these activities; hacker is a term abused by the media) -- assuming he's actually guilty as accused, which we can't really assume -- is accused of basicaly being a script-kiddie... which while not really deserving of some massive penalty... is pretty shameful and pathetic. There's nothing creative about doing something as simple and mindless as, say, a pingflood or SQL injection.

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#26  Edited By Turambar
@AuthenticM said:

@OllyOxenFree said:

@AuthenticM said:

@kashif1 said:

@AuthenticM said:

10-15 years? Jesus Christ, that's fucked up, America.

77 million psn accounts, thousands of forum goers from everywhere from Betesda to Mediafire had their details leaked, that is a crime and 10 years seems an appropriate amount of time.

no, it does not. Regardless of how many people got hacked, it was a non-violent crime, and should be dealt as such.

Dude, are you serious?

I am very serious. I've seen murderers and child rapists get less than this. I'm sorry, but there is something seriously fucked up with you if you think that more than 10 years of prison or more for something like this is "okay".

There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes.  This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony.
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@AuthenticM: Tell that to the individual state government this man is being tried under.

@PufferFiz: What kind of publicity DID your school want?

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#28  Edited By AuthenticM

@Turambar said:

There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony.

Don't be a slave; be a man and think for yourself.

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#29  Edited By Juicebox

Hypocrites all of you.

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#30  Edited By Turambar
@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony.

Don't be a slave; be a man and think for yourself.

Don't be a wuss; be a man and accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes" and someone called you out on it.
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#31  Edited By kashif1

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony.

Don't be a slave; be a man and think for yourself.

I am, and I'm thinking that my identity was probably compromised in one of their attacks and I'm rather $%^#$%$. No clue what that means.

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#32  Edited By PufferFiz

@c0l0nelp0c0rn1: well since our Network security program is getting a Department of Defence grant. .. not this.. :/

so camera crew where here a hour ago, one of the top heads of the school was doing a interview.. his face looked pissed.

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#33  Edited By AuthenticM

@Turambar said:

accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes"

Enlighten me.

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#34  Edited By Turambar
@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes"

Enlighten me.

"There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes.  This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony."
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#35  Edited By napalm

@Turambar said:

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony.

Don't be a slave; be a man and think for yourself.

Don't be a wuss; be a man and accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes" and someone called you out on it.

I love you.

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#36  Edited By AuthenticM

@Turambar said:

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes"

Enlighten me.

"There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony."

That's what the State says. Don't be a slave and think for yourself. Or, if your definition of violence is also as broad as this, then, like I said earlier, there is something seriously fucked up with you people.

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#37  Edited By Turambar
@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

accept the fact that you made a wholly inaccurate statement of "violent crimes"

Enlighten me.

"There is no such mandate that felonies have to be violent crimes. This would easily fall under "grand theft", which is a felony."

That's what the State says. Don't be a slave and think for yourself. Or, if your definition of violence is also as broad as this, then, like I said earlier, there is something seriously fucked up with you people.

I fail to see how the breadth of the definition of violence have anything to do with grand theft being considered a felony.  If your definition of "felony" is narrow enough as to only incorporate violence, there is something fucked up with you.
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#38  Edited By CountChocula96

@kingclaw said:

A guy in my school threatened a teacher with a gun, he didn't point it at him, just shown it under his pants. Then the teacher went to the principal office and cried, it was hilarious.

The kid was expelled. He was mexican..... like most people in Mexico.

WOW What a pussy lol! They ONLY got their lives threatned at gunpoint!

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#39  Edited By AuthenticM

@Turambar said:

If your definition of "felony" is narrow enough as to only incorporate violence

It's not. I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is someone getting fifteen fucking years behind bars for the crime that he did. If you cannot understand my point of view, I suggest we leave it at that, as I am most certainly not trading places.

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#40  Edited By niamahai

this is why my parents send me to a $60K/yr private school!  
so i don't have to put with this horrible filth!

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#41  Edited By Gabriel

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

If your definition of "felony" is narrow enough as to only incorporate violence

It's not. I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is someone getting fifteen fucking years behind bars for the crime that he did. If you cannot understand my point of view, I suggest we leave it at that, as I am most certainly not trading places.

They have to set examples and let people know they are accountable for what they do on the internet.

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#42  Edited By AuthenticM

@Gabriel said:

They have to set examples and let people know they are accountable for what they do on the internet.

The intensity of the punishment does not deter people from committing crimes; the assurance of being punished does.

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#43  Edited By Little_Socrates

@AuthenticM: The man threatened the security of 77 million people. Is that not violence? Taking one's sense of welfare is far more destructive than punching them in the face. I think you'd agree that 77 million counts of assault would similarly deserve at least 10-15 years, wouldn't you agree?

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#44  Edited By shiftymagician

@AuthenticM said:

@Turambar said:

If your definition of "felony" is narrow enough as to only incorporate violence

It's not. I don't have a problem with that. What I have a problem with is someone getting fifteen fucking years behind bars for the crime that he did. If you cannot understand my point of view, I suggest we leave it at that, as I am most certainly not trading places.

I would have to side with AuthenticM on this one. No law is perfect and seeing people who do crimes I consider not as bad get longer sentences than people who basically harm other human beings in potentially sick ways just depresses me slightly. Only slightly though because I am pretty jaded of the legal system at this point. There aren't as many people that want to question the law and continually analyse it for inconsistencies it seems to me, only people that just accept it and assume it is always correct because they cannot change it.

PS: I'm not trying to be definitive here as this is a completely subjective opinion here, so sorry if I accidentaly have definitive-sounding language here.

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#45  Edited By crusader8463

Glad to see one more of them will be getting lulzsaced on a daily bases by a large burly man for several years to come.

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#46  Edited By Amilmitt

he stole from over 77 million people.

thats like stealing from someone and getting 1 day in jail times 77 million, it makes perfect sense.

people who murder and rape should get far more than 10-15.

your squishing the whole 77 million into one crime when its technically 77 million crimes.

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#47  Edited By Blannir

@AuthenticM said:

@Gabriel said:

They have to set examples and let people know they are accountable for what they do on the internet.

The intensity of the punishment does not deter people from committing crimes; the assurance of being punished does.

Gotta disagree here. People steal cars all the time and they know they'll be punished for it if caught but they don't care because in most cases they can get back on the street fairly quickly. If stealing a car was a flat 15 years in prison people would think more carefully if one car is worth their life or not.

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#48  Edited By MooseyMcMan

Well, that's what he gets for breaking the law (assuming he did it). If he didn't, then hopefully they'll let him go.

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#49  Edited By AuthenticM

@Blannir said:

@AuthenticM said:

@Gabriel said:

They have to set examples and let people know they are accountable for what they do on the internet.

The intensity of the punishment does not deter people from committing crimes; the assurance of being punished does.

Gotta disagree here. People steal cars all the time and they know they'll be punished for it if caught but they don't care because in most cases they can get back on the street fairly quickly. If stealing a car was a flat 15 years in prison people would think more carefully if one car is worth their life or not.

What I have said has been proven a long time ago. I'm not talking out of my hat, believe me.

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#50  Edited By toowalrus

@PufferFiz said:

@CornBREDX said:

Good. I love how hackers think they can get away with stuff.. oh shnap- IZ GOT CAUGHT- but i'm so awesome, how could this ever happen?

Real hackers are more intelligent then Lulzsec

@iam3green: @PrivateIronTFU: I once (many a year ago) brought a switch blade comb to school. I got suspended. I'm a dude of the white persuasion (which you can tell by my ridiculous word play). I was also mad poor. Just putting that out there. =P

but the sad part is he will probably get a good job when he gets out

If he gets the max, the way we view computers in 15 years will be so radically different he'll be useless.

...I bet he doesn't do a day over 3 months- if that.