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I'm just going to list a bunch a games and game franchises that I firmly believe get a lot of unneeded hatred by gamers, mainly from the hardcore audience.

Before and when COD4 was released, nearly everyone loved the series and you barely heard a negative word towards the series. Now that it has become phenomenally popular, the huge amount of haters grew and many people are now jumping onto the "COD is overrated!!!" bandwagon. Look, the series isn't the be all, end all of first-person shooters, but it's a damn fine series. The campaigns, while scripted, immerses you into a chaotic battlefield better than any other military themed shooter. The multi-player is deep, easy to pick up, fast paced, and addicting. COD4 up the ante for online shooters with it's deep RPG system and perks. Treyarch's take on the series are good too, especially Black Ops (Which is infinitely better than MW2, MP wise). 
  
I will say that Modern Warfare 2's MP, was a buggy and unbalance mess. The single-player and co-op missions were good at least.
 
This is actually the first GTA that I immensely enjoyed. The game is a bit overrated by critics, but it's far from a terrible game. The two biggest problems I've had with prior GTAs, were the missions and the farcical storytelling. The main missions were often poorly designed, based too much on time limits, and frustrating. The protagonist of the previous GTAs were two-dimensional and unlikable macho tough guys. The missions in GTA IV are well designed, never too easy or frustrating, and no time based missions (Well, there are a few, but they give a reasonable time limit this time). The protaganist is actually sympathetic this time around, and the story was rather compelling. It may not be as "sandboxy" as previous GTA installments, but the core gameplay and storyline radically improved in IV. 
 
I'm going to be flamed by every Morrowind fan around here. No doubt. I'm still going to say that Oblivion, gameplay wise, is better than Morrowind. Okay, I have to admit that Morrowind had a far more unique setting and art design than Oblivion's generic D&D theme. The story was a little more interesting too. Other than that, I still prefer Oblivion. I think it's a much much easier to get into and better focused game than Morrowind. Angry Morrowind fan in 1... 2... 3... 
  
I'm just going to say it here. Halo is overrated by the gaming media. BUT! it's underrated by the hardcore gaming audience. Do I consider the Halo franchise to be the greatest shooter franchise ever? No (No such thing). Would I place any Halo game in my top 10 favorite games of all time list? I highly doubt it. Do any of the games in the series in deserve a perfect 10? No (Maybe with the exception of CE, since that was a very innovative game for it's time). Despite all of that, they're extremely well made, polished, and designed games. None of them deserve any score below an 8. They provide robust and well balanced multi-player, with a solid single-player component. It has an interesting universe, while not as fascinating as Mass Effect's, but has a very rich backstory to it. Yet, I'm still going to be flamed by nearly everyone on this forum for defending this series. Geez, I can't wait... 
 
I will say Halo Wars was crap.
 
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I have to admit, I enjoy a casual game every now and then. I like how gaming is broadening to a wider audience, so everyone is able to get into the medium. I like how it isn't exclusive to just one primary audience. It's good that there's casual games, and it's not going to hurt the hardcore gaming market. They're not all piss easy games, they're just easier to get into and accessible. I sometimes prefer some casual games, over hardcore games. Because sometimes I really don't want to read a 200 page manual, thrown into a game world without a tutorial to guide me through the basic mechanics, or travel a thousand miles in real-time to get to my destination.  
 
It has it's cons, but it was still an engrossing and terrifying experience. I have to give Team Silent props for experimenting and taking risks by changing the core formula. It has one of the best stories in the series too. Hell, I would rank the story up with Silent Hill 2's.  
 
Is it overrated? I say it kind of is. Is it bad? No, in fact it's far from bad. It's a damn good game. It help open JRPGs to the western market. Without it, great JRPG games such as Xenogears and the Persona series would probably wouldn't attract a large fanbase in the west.

So before any flames me, I like to ask: What games do you think get a lot of undeserved hate? 
 
EDIT: I forgotten to mention Killzone 2 and Resident Evil 5. Killzone 2 is a generic game, but it does everything very well. It's a rock solid shooter, that may not be unique, but it's fun to play. Resident Evil 5 was decent, but disappointing compared to RE4. Does that make it a bad game like everyone makes it out to be? No.
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#1  Edited By GhostlyEnigma

I'm just going to list a bunch a games and game franchises that I firmly believe get a lot of unneeded hatred by gamers, mainly from the hardcore audience.

Before and when COD4 was released, nearly everyone loved the series and you barely heard a negative word towards the series. Now that it has become phenomenally popular, the huge amount of haters grew and many people are now jumping onto the "COD is overrated!!!" bandwagon. Look, the series isn't the be all, end all of first-person shooters, but it's a damn fine series. The campaigns, while scripted, immerses you into a chaotic battlefield better than any other military themed shooter. The multi-player is deep, easy to pick up, fast paced, and addicting. COD4 up the ante for online shooters with it's deep RPG system and perks. Treyarch's take on the series are good too, especially Black Ops (Which is infinitely better than MW2, MP wise). 
  
I will say that Modern Warfare 2's MP, was a buggy and unbalance mess. The single-player and co-op missions were good at least.
 
This is actually the first GTA that I immensely enjoyed. The game is a bit overrated by critics, but it's far from a terrible game. The two biggest problems I've had with prior GTAs, were the missions and the farcical storytelling. The main missions were often poorly designed, based too much on time limits, and frustrating. The protagonist of the previous GTAs were two-dimensional and unlikable macho tough guys. The missions in GTA IV are well designed, never too easy or frustrating, and no time based missions (Well, there are a few, but they give a reasonable time limit this time). The protaganist is actually sympathetic this time around, and the story was rather compelling. It may not be as "sandboxy" as previous GTA installments, but the core gameplay and storyline radically improved in IV. 
 
I'm going to be flamed by every Morrowind fan around here. No doubt. I'm still going to say that Oblivion, gameplay wise, is better than Morrowind. Okay, I have to admit that Morrowind had a far more unique setting and art design than Oblivion's generic D&D theme. The story was a little more interesting too. Other than that, I still prefer Oblivion. I think it's a much much easier to get into and better focused game than Morrowind. Angry Morrowind fan in 1... 2... 3... 
  
I'm just going to say it here. Halo is overrated by the gaming media. BUT! it's underrated by the hardcore gaming audience. Do I consider the Halo franchise to be the greatest shooter franchise ever? No (No such thing). Would I place any Halo game in my top 10 favorite games of all time list? I highly doubt it. Do any of the games in the series in deserve a perfect 10? No (Maybe with the exception of CE, since that was a very innovative game for it's time). Despite all of that, they're extremely well made, polished, and designed games. None of them deserve any score below an 8. They provide robust and well balanced multi-player, with a solid single-player component. It has an interesting universe, while not as fascinating as Mass Effect's, but has a very rich backstory to it. Yet, I'm still going to be flamed by nearly everyone on this forum for defending this series. Geez, I can't wait... 
 
I will say Halo Wars was crap.
 
  • Casual gaming in general:
I have to admit, I enjoy a casual game every now and then. I like how gaming is broadening to a wider audience, so everyone is able to get into the medium. I like how it isn't exclusive to just one primary audience. It's good that there's casual games, and it's not going to hurt the hardcore gaming market. They're not all piss easy games, they're just easier to get into and accessible. I sometimes prefer some casual games, over hardcore games. Because sometimes I really don't want to read a 200 page manual, thrown into a game world without a tutorial to guide me through the basic mechanics, or travel a thousand miles in real-time to get to my destination.  
 
It has it's cons, but it was still an engrossing and terrifying experience. I have to give Team Silent props for experimenting and taking risks by changing the core formula. It has one of the best stories in the series too. Hell, I would rank the story up with Silent Hill 2's.  
 
Is it overrated? I say it kind of is. Is it bad? No, in fact it's far from bad. It's a damn good game. It help open JRPGs to the western market. Without it, great JRPG games such as Xenogears and the Persona series would probably wouldn't attract a large fanbase in the west.

So before any flames me, I like to ask: What games do you think get a lot of undeserved hate? 
 
EDIT: I forgotten to mention Killzone 2 and Resident Evil 5. Killzone 2 is a generic game, but it does everything very well. It's a rock solid shooter, that may not be unique, but it's fun to play. Resident Evil 5 was decent, but disappointing compared to RE4. Does that make it a bad game like everyone makes it out to be? No.
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I agree with you, if only in spirit: Popular games are often afflicted with undue amounts of criticism from people who view themselves as "hardcore gamers", often in an attempt to let everyone around them know that they are, in fact, better tan those COD-toting pissants who make up what is known as the "mainstream".

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The games that people hate because they are popular. 
 
Which is why I hate the term "overrated."  I believe there is no such thing.  It's just people not liking stuff as much as others and saying they are the only correct people in the world.

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GTA IV was a vastly better game than any of the previous games in the series. It pisses me off to see people moan about it just because it got perfect scores. Anyone who says San Andreas had better gameplay is either overly nostalgic or just a complete idiot. GTA IV was the first game in the series where I actually gave a shit about the missions thanks to good shooting mechanics (not perfect but still infinitely better than the GTA 3 trilogy) and great characters. I've been playing the games since the original on the PC and IV deserves the praise it gets. I get that some people don't like it, but saying its flat out 'bad' is just fucking stupid.

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@SethPhotopoulos: 
 
No, there can be such a thing; it's just that people have confused it with the phrase "bad", so it's worthless. Overrated means people love a game more than it deserves; the game can still be good, but not as good as people think. FF7 is proof. Also, I'll say that FF13 doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. FF12 deserves all that hate. Where's the FF12 hate?
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Gran Turismo 5. I feel like people who haven't even played it are lining up to take shots at it, just because it hasn't gotten a 100 on Metacritic. If people would actually give it a chance, they'd see that it's awesome.

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@GhostlyEnigma said:
" I'm just going to list a bunch a games and game franchises that I firmly believe get a lot of unneeded hatred by gamers, mainly from the hardcore audience.


Before and when COD4 was released, nearly everyone loved the series and you barely heard a negative word towards the series. Now that it has become phenomenally popular, the huge amount of haters grew and many people are now jumping onto the "COD is overrated!!!" bandwagon. Look, the series isn't the be all, end all of first-person shooters, but it's a damn fine series. The campaigns, while scripted, immerses you into a chaotic battlefield better than any other military themed shooter. The multi-player is deep, easy to pick up, fast paced, and addicting. COD4 up the ante for online shooters with it's deep RPG system and perks. Treyarch's take on the series are good too, especially Black Ops (Which is infinitely better than MW2, MP wise). 
  

When CoD 1, 2 and 3 where being released, I was playing a better game, Brothers in Arms. It had tactics, ADS and an amazing Band of Brothers style narrative. I was never able to understand how anyone liked the arcade style shoter that was CoD. Then they stopped making xboxes and I got a 360 and CoD4 was like my second game on it.
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#8  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos:   No, there can be such a thing; it's just that people have confused it with the phrase "bad", so it's worthless. Overrated means people love a game more than it deserves; the game can still be good, but not as good as people think. FF7 is proof. Also, I'll say that FF13 doesn't deserve all the hate it gets. FF12 deserves all that hate. Where's the FF12 hate? "
I don't mind the term "overrated". BUT! It hate how it's abused and everyone just mindlessly throw the word whenver they want to. It's geting tiresome. Frankly, I'd rather here someone say X game sucks, than for them to call it overrated. It would be a refreshing change of pace. I recommend people give reasons WHY they believe X game is overrated, than just to throw it out there.
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@GhostlyEnigma: I may have to take the side of those angry Morrowind fans, but I still love Oblivion.
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@Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos:   No, there can be such a thing; it's just that people have confused it with the phrase "bad", so it's worthless. Overrated means people love a game more than it deserves; the game can still be good, but not as good as people think. FF7 is proof. "
Thats the stuff I'm talking about though. 
 
The attitude of saying that people shouldn't like something as much as they do because you don't get the same amount of enjoyment is kind of offensive.
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Anything I like that other people don't, they have no good reason for hating it and they only hate it to be cool. Im 6 years old, this is how my brain works.

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@MysteriousBob: the controls suck
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@blacklabeldomm said:
" @GhostlyEnigma said:
" I'm just going to list a bunch a games and game franchises that I firmly believe get a lot of unneeded hatred by gamers, mainly from the hardcore audience.


Before and when COD4 was released, nearly everyone loved the series and you barely heard a negative word towards the series. Now that it has become phenomenally popular, the huge amount of haters grew and many people are now jumping onto the "COD is overrated!!!" bandwagon. Look, the series isn't the be all, end all of first-person shooters, but it's a damn fine series. The campaigns, while scripted, immerses you into a chaotic battlefield better than any other military themed shooter. The multi-player is deep, easy to pick up, fast paced, and addicting. COD4 up the ante for online shooters with it's deep RPG system and perks. Treyarch's take on the series are good too, especially Black Ops (Which is infinitely better than MW2, MP wise). 
  

When CoD 1, 2 and 3 where being released, I was playing a better game, Brothers in Arms. It had tactics, ADS and an amazing Band of Brothers style narrative. I was never able to understand how anyone liked the arcade style shoter that was CoD. Then they stopped making xboxes and I got a 360 and CoD4 was like my second game on it. "
I love the first two Brothers in Arms games. They're my favorite WWII shooters. HOWEVER! That doesn't make the first three COD games bad. In fact, COD 1 and 2 were terrific. COD 3 on the other hand, was decent.  
 
They're not entirely "unrealistic". What game is truly 100% realistic in the first place? Unlike the the pre-Pacific Assault MOH series, COD took a unique take on the setting. You get to play on other sides of the war, instead participating in he U.S. army. You're weren't just a one man army either. You were always fighting with your platoon. This happened two years, before the first Brothers in Arms game was released. Brothers in Arms just introduced squad commands for WWII shooters.
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#14  Edited By zeforgotten

Final Fantasy VII. 
But mostly from people who have no idea what it is since they never played it.  
 
But that's how it goes for most games. 
A lot of games are getting undeserved hatred from people who have never played or even seen the games in motion. 
So, I guess it's hatred from fat and retarded fanboys who should be killed.  
Yes I wish that death sneaks up on you people, rot in pieces, kids

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@ZeForgotten: So how your brain works here is people who hate on it never played it, and people who do that are overweight and have a learning handicap and you want them to die? Wow. I hope to god you're seeing a therapist.
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Final Fantasy VII for sure

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@FancySoapsMan said:
" @MysteriousBob: the controls suck "
They're better than the controls than previous installments in the series. 
 
@ryanwho said:
" Anything I like that other people don't, they have no good reason for hating it and they only hate it to be cool. Im 6 years old, this is how my brain works. "
Why do people always believe that they should take out "It's my opinion" card when it comes to justify their "opinion"? It's like no one is able to make valid points. Sure, I don't mind people disliking games that I like. But they should have legitimate reasons behind it. Or even subjective reasons. Than just somebody saying  X "game iz overrated!!!"
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@MysteriousBob said:

" GTA IV was a vastly better game than any of the previous games in the series. It pisses me off to see people moan about it just because it got perfect scores. Anyone who says San Andreas had better gameplay is either overly nostalgic or just a complete idiot. GTA IV was the first game in the series where I actually gave a shit about the missions thanks to good shooting mechanics (not perfect but still infinitely better than the GTA 3 trilogy) and great characters. I've been playing the games since the original on the PC and IV deserves the praise it gets. I get that some people don't like it, but saying its flat out 'bad' is just fucking stupid. "

 
I disagree that GTA IV was the best in the series, as I still believe that Vice City was the apogee of the GTA series. Taken as a whole: it had a great story, superb soundtrack, amazing visuals (for the time), and the overall feature-set left very little wanting.  GTA IV was an excellent game, but it just didn't have the compelling story or characters of its predecessors. I have also been playing GTA since the original, and I can honestly say that GTA IV did not give me the same level of enjoyment as any of its antecedents.
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@ryanwho said:
" @ZeForgotten: So how your brain works here is people who hate on it never played it, and people who do that are overweight and have a learning handicap and you want them to die? Wow. I hope to god you're seeing a therapist. "
At least my brain is working. 
I can't stand nose-up-in-the-sky asshats like you either. 
There's just something wrong with people like you and I can't put my finger on what it is. I don't just wish for you to die but every member of your family. 
That way there won't be any genes left from your family and people like you will never be seen again. 
 
Also, if you took anything I said in that comment or the previous one seriously then you are some kind of super retard
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@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos:   No, there can be such a thing; it's just that people have confused it with the phrase "bad", so it's worthless. Overrated means people love a game more than it deserves; the game can still be good, but not as good as people think. FF7 is proof. "
Thats the stuff I'm talking about though.  The attitude of saying that people shouldn't like something as much as they do because you don't get the same amount of enjoyment is kind of offensive. "
How so? I just hate how people hype up FF7 as the best RPG ever. I agree with them in that it's good, but the best? There are better ones out there. Perhaps I should adjust my definition to say that a lot of people have to hype the shit out of a game before it can become overrated, since that happens with pretty much every overrated game I can think of.
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I don't hate any of these games. In fact they are all met with a brilliant reception from journalists and through sales. This is a list of the most over-hyped games that people are generally let down by. I don't get the hype behind any of these games, especially Halo, but I don't hate them.

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@bwmcmaste said:

" @MysteriousBob said:

" GTA IV was a vastly better game than any of the previous games in the series. It pisses me off to see people moan about it just because it got perfect scores. Anyone who says San Andreas had better gameplay is either overly nostalgic or just a complete idiot. GTA IV was the first game in the series where I actually gave a shit about the missions thanks to good shooting mechanics (not perfect but still infinitely better than the GTA 3 trilogy) and great characters. I've been playing the games since the original on the PC and IV deserves the praise it gets. I get that some people don't like it, but saying its flat out 'bad' is just fucking stupid. "

 I disagree that GTA IV was the best in the series, as I still believe that Vice City was the apogee of the GTA series. Taken as a whole, it had a great story; superb soundtrack; amazing visuals (for the time), and the overall feature-set left very little wanting.  GTA IV was an excellent game, but it just didn't have the compelling story or characters of its predecessors. I have also been playing GTA since the original, and I can honestly say that GTA IV did not give me the same level of enjoyment as any of its antecedents. "
You really that GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas had compelling storytelling? They were pretty much over-the-top, and cheesy mafioso tales. That's probably the point, since they're satirical. But that doesn't mean they have interesting and deep narratives. GTA IV was the first game in the series, that tells an adult and mature story. 
http://www.gamesradar.com/f/mature-games-that-are-actually-mature/a-20081014113316766003   
 
I can understand if you enjoyed the previous installment's more for their sandbox gameplay. GTA IV would've been perfect it had something to do in it's sandbox. Unlike previous GTAs, GTA IV's missions weren't mind numbingly frustrating.
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#23  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@02sfraser said:
" I don't hate any of these games. In fact they are all met with a brilliant reception from journalists and through sales. This is a list of the most over-hyped games that people are generally let down by. I don't get the hype behind any of these games, especially Halo, but I don't hate them. "
Well you could ignore the hype, and take the game on it's merits. If you don't understand the appeal of the games, then ask the fans if you want to understand. And by fans, I'm not referring to the annoying asshats fanatics. Ask the sane fans, like me. :P
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#24  Edited By SethPhotopoulos
@Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos:   No, there can be such a thing; it's just that people have confused it with the phrase "bad", so it's worthless. Overrated means people love a game more than it deserves; the game can still be good, but not as good as people think. FF7 is proof. "
Thats the stuff I'm talking about though.  The attitude of saying that people shouldn't like something as much as they do because you don't get the same amount of enjoyment is kind of offensive. "
How so? I just hate how people hype up FF7 as the best RPG ever. I agree with them in that it's good, but the best? There are better ones out there. Perhaps I should adjust my definition to say that a lot of people have to hype the shit out of a game before it can become overrated, since that happens with pretty much every overrated game I can think of. "
Because they have a connection to that game that you don't.  Saying you shouldn't love something because you don't think it's that good is pushing your opinion onto them.  It could be their favourite RPG of all time and the RPGs you like better might not be as good to them.  They love it and they think it's the best, leave them alone unless they are dicks about it which the silent majority who believe it isn't.
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#25  Edited By 02sfraser
@GhostlyEnigma said:
" @02sfraser said:
" I don't hate any of these games. In fact they are all met with a brilliant reception from journalists and through sales. This is a list of the most over-hyped games that people are generally let down by. I don't get the hype behind any of these games, especially Halo, but I don't hate them. "
Well you could ignore the hype, and take the game on it's merits. If you don't understand the appeal of the games, then ask the fans if you want to understand. And by fans, I'm not referring to the annoying asshats fanatics. Ask the sane fans, like me. :P "
I do ignore the hype and take all games on there merits. Hell I finished Halo 3 and played online. Didn't like it nearly as much as most people and because of that it is usually seen as hatred from others. Just saying that the games you mentioned seem to be ones that when people disagree, it is perceived as hatred since they have such big fan bases.
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Any game that is popular and successful.

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#27  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@02sfraser said:
" @GhostlyEnigma said:
" @02sfraser said:
" I don't hate any of these games. In fact they are all met with a brilliant reception from journalists and through sales. This is a list of the most over-hyped games that people are generally let down by. I don't get the hype behind any of these games, especially Halo, but I don't hate them. "
Well you could ignore the hype, and take the game on it's merits. If you don't understand the appeal of the games, then ask the fans if you want to understand. And by fans, I'm not referring to the annoying asshats fanatics. Ask the sane fans, like me. :P "
I do ignore the hype and take all games on there merits. Hell I finished Halo 3 and played online. Didn't like it nearly as much as most people and because of that it is usually seen as hatred from others. Just saying that the games you mentioned seem to be ones that when people disagree, it is perceived as hatred since they have such big fan bases. "
Well I'm not refering to the likes of you. You're not part of the hordes of haters. However, it seems you don't understand why x game is highly praised. You don't have to like it, or like it as much as others.  
 
Just don't argue about Halo so much. Because arguing about Halo on the internet, is like discussing about history. It just doesn't work. Talk about another game that a lot of people hate. 
 
Also, when did Silent Hill 4 have a large following to it?
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#28  Edited By bwmcmaste
@GhostlyEnigma said:
You really that GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas had compelling storytelling? They were pretty much over-the-top, and cheesy mafioso tales. That's probably the point, since they're satirical. But that doesn't mean they have interesting and deep narratives.   
Maybe that's why I didn't care for GTA IV, it's possible that I thought it was trying to take itself too seriously. The game is built around sporadic missions which proceed in an almost non-linear fashion towards the end. As such, it's very difficult to maintain a consistent storyline while you're bouncing around between the different missions. I have found that preceeding GTA games were indeed less mature, but they also managed to keep the player in a milieu of chaotic bombast.  
 
If they want to tell a mature and well-contrived story, perhaps Rockstar will fare better with L.A. Noire.
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#29  Edited By meteora

Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises. 
 
Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely.

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#30  Edited By ryanwho
@Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat 
no 
i cant process this 
you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now
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#31  Edited By SethPhotopoulos
@ryanwho said:
" @Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat no i cant process this you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now "
That guy was joking.  A bad one but let it go.
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#32  Edited By fishinwithguns

The more popular a game/franchise gets (or really anything), the more unpopular it gets with the people who didn't like it to begin with.  It polarizes people, and causes those who quietly disliked something to become inspired into being outspoken about their contrary opinion, and the more they hear about it the more their dislike grows to just utter hatred.  That's probably human nature, I don't know, I mean I've definitely been like that before...maybe not so much with games, but with like TV shows that are obviously sub-par to godawful that everyone seems to love.  In the spirit of this post, I'm not going to name names.

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#33  Edited By ryanwho
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat no i cant process this you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now "
That guy was joking.  A bad one but let it go. "
The entire theme of this thread is people who can't let shit go. I will never let go sir.
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#34  Edited By zeforgotten
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat no i cant process this you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now "
That guy was joking.  A bad one but let it go. "
I make bad jokes, yes but you just asked the guy who once told everyone that "Only people in America drive on the right side of the road while the rest of the world drives on the left side of the road" to let it go.. He won't be able to let it go. I just enjoy messing around with that teenager a lot. He's kinda funny
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#35  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@bwmcmaste said:
" @GhostlyEnigma said:
You really that GTA III, Vice City, and San Andreas had compelling storytelling? They were pretty much over-the-top, and cheesy mafioso tales. That's probably the point, since they're satirical. But that doesn't mean they have interesting and deep narratives.   
Maybe that's why I didn't care for GTA IV, it's possible that I thought it was trying to take itself too seriously. The game is built around sporadic missions which proceed in an almost non-linear fashion towards the end. As such, it's very difficult to maintain a consistent storyline while you're bouncing around between the different missions. I have found that preceeding GTA games were indeed less mature, but they also managed to keep the player in a milieu of chaotic bombast.   If they want to tell a mature and well-contrived story, perhaps Rockstar will fare better with L.A. Noire. "
 It seems you haven't played Rockstar's Red Dead Redemption. :P 
 
Also, L.A. Noire isn't developed by Rockstar. But by a rookie Australlian game studio. 
 
GTA IV is unique, that in a sense it's both a gritty crime drama and a satirical take on American capitalism. It's a lot better than the previous GTA games in that regard, and the missions weren't as nearly as silly as prior GTAs. I mean, it's not like you're controlling a remote mini airplane with machine guns built into it. I do agree that half of the missions didn't mesh with the overall structure of the story, but they did develop most of the characters well.
 
@Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "

Or any Kirby game. I really didn't think Kirby's Epic Yawn (Sorry for the bad pun), was the end all and be all of platformers. It's a good game, but I don't think it's a great game.
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#36  Edited By SethPhotopoulos
@ryanwho: The theme of the thread is you can have opinions but don't be an asshole about it.
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#37  Edited By meteora
@ZeForgotten said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat no i cant process this you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now "
That guy was joking.  A bad one but let it go. "
I make bad jokes, yes but you just asked the guy who once told everyone that "Only people in America drive on the right side of the road while the rest of the world drives on the left side of the road" to let it go.. He won't be able to let it go. I just enjoy messing around with that teenager a lot. He's kinda funny "
Did I ever say that? I don't recall saying that. =/
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#38  Edited By Yummylee

This thread is fun.

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#39  Edited By SethPhotopoulos
@Meteora: You weren't involved in that conversation.  Your post just ended up in there by accident.  It's a Zeforgotten and Ryanwho thing.
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#40  Edited By zeforgotten
@Meteora said:
" @ZeForgotten said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" @ryanwho said:
" @Meteora said:
" Call of Duty, Final Fantasy and Halo franchises.  Mario doesn't get enough hate strangely. "
wat no i cant process this you are overweight and have autism and i want you to die on account of your opinion just now "
That guy was joking.  A bad one but let it go. "
I make bad jokes, yes but you just asked the guy who once told everyone that "Only people in America drive on the right side of the road while the rest of the world drives on the left side of the road" to let it go.. He won't be able to let it go. I just enjoy messing around with that teenager a lot. He's kinda funny "
Did I ever say that? I don't recall saying that. =/ "
No, not you, you'r one of the smart ones. 
ryanwho is the one who thinks that everyone else but America does whatever the British does :P 
That is why I find him amusing
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#41  Edited By Vinny_Says
@GhostlyEnigma: I wasn't trying to bash CoD, actually playing from the Russian perspective was great, I loved that. But at the time everyone was all about how "realistic" the CoD series was, which seemed ridiculous to me when games like Brothers in Arms were around. Yes CoD was way cooler than MOH and the million other WW2 games on the market but in my eyes it was far from the best.
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#42  Edited By BUCK3TM4N

mainstream means the game gets easier and for multiplayer 10 year old kids who yell prophanity in their mics, look at counter strike mainstream? sure, tons of little kids running around killing their team mates, no because the game is challenging

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#43  Edited By Venatio

Specifically? There's alot but the one that came to my mind first was Final Fantasy XIII, I thought it was a beautiful looking game with a decent story and some good characters
 
I really liked the battle system aswell, havent played alot of FF games before, just FF7, FF10 and FF11,

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#44  Edited By GhostlyEnigma

A shitstorm is already arising, makes me feel that I unintentionall made a troll thread. 
 
@needforswede
said:

" The more popular a game/franchise gets (or really anything), the more unpopular it gets with the people who didn't like it to begin with.  It polarizes people, and causes those who quietly disliked something to become inspired into being outspoken about their contrary opinion, and the more they hear about it the more their dislike grows to just utter hatred.  That's probably human nature, I don't know, I mean I've definitely been like that before...maybe not so much with games, but with like TV shows that are obviously sub-par to godawful that everyone seems to love.  In the spirit of this post, I'm not going to name names. "
With gaming, it's a bit different. As people have this preconception notion that gaming has become as mainstream as movies and television shows (They're not, but they're getting a little close). So they make analogies and comparison with games that are close to being mainstream (Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, etc.). Such as "gaylo is like teh MTV of gamez!" or "call of doody is teh Justin Bieber of gamez". They make comparison with things that have little to nothing in common with. Sure, they each of a fanatical following. However, games (Even popular ones) aren't well conceived by the general public. They each have their fanatical following, but the general public often stereo-type gamers as basement dwelling nerds. Yes, even those who play games like Halo and Call of Duty. Though, I have to admit that 50% of the fanbase for both series are rabid. But hey, so do a lot of popular things in any medium have a large rabid following.  
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#45  Edited By Gertso

Dante's Inferno, while not great, was a solid game. An $18 price tag helped though. My only real complaint is the final boss had way too much health.

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#46  Edited By Bloodgraiv3

Far Cry 2. 
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#47  Edited By Video_Game_King
@SethPhotopoulos said:
" Saying you shouldn't love something because you don't think it's that good is pushing your opinion onto them. "
Why can't I do that? I'M THE KING!
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#48  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@BUCK3TM4N said:
" mainstream means the game gets easier and for multiplayer 10 year old kids who yell prophanity in their mics, look at counter strike mainstream? sure, tons of little kids running around killing their team mates, no because the game is challenging "
dude! im so hardore unleiks tose litle kiddiez who playz teh gayloz and cock of doodies cuz im soooo cooolz! i playz countehstrikze for 24 hourez strieght! cuz im sooo hardcore biatches! 
 
Dude, I met a lot of annoying adults on Counter-Strike, as much as I meet kids on Call of Duty 4 or Halo Reach online. Anyone is bound to play with an annoying group in a popular online shooter. Hell, Counter-Strike is still the most played and popular online first-person shooter. Therefore it sucks more than Halo and COD by definition of "teh internetz".
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#49  Edited By SethPhotopoulos
@Video_Game_King said:
" @SethPhotopoulos said:
" Saying you shouldn't love something because you don't think it's that good is pushing your opinion onto them. "
Why can't I do that? I'M THE KING! "
Fuck.  You beat me.
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#50  Edited By GhostlyEnigma
@blacklabeldomm said:
" @GhostlyEnigma: I wasn't trying to bash CoD, actually playing from the Russian perspective was great, I loved that. But at the time everyone was all about how "realistic" the CoD series was, which seemed ridiculous to me when games like Brothers in Arms were around. Yes CoD was way cooler than MOH and the million other WW2 games on the market but in my eyes it was far from the best. "
I'm well aware that you're not mindlessly bashing CoD like most people on the cesspool we know as the internet. However, there's no such thing as the best for anything. It's purely subjective.... most of the time.