@Alkaiser said:
@YI_Orange said:
@Twiggy199: Name some old games that are hard and don't have terrible controls, unfair level design, or bad combat mechanics.
The only one I can think of right now is Punch out, but I also think the new Punch Out is more difficult.
Uh, I'll take a stab at that. Mega Man 2 and 3, Contra, Ninja Gaiden 2, uhm... NES Batman from Sunsoft was pretty good, Castlevania 3 was pretty difficult but felt great mechanically in my opinion. Same with Super Castlevania 4 and Rondo of Blood if those count. Gunstar Heroes could get pretty difficult but felt fair and gave you some outs depending on your equipped powerups, Raiden 2 was a pretty cool shoot-em-up with the best weapon ever (the big purple homing laser) and was one of those games that you could legitimately beat on one credit on your first try if you had the reflexes. No real bullshit or bullet hell memorization, just kind of a nice twitch experience.
And I guess it depends on your definition of hard. I felt F-Zero was pretty hard but also incredibly fun and one of my favorite games of all time based on esthetics, music and its mechanics. I'm not trying to demean your argument, I just don't think its completely one or the other.
I don't think it's completely one or the other either. The only point I'm trying to make is that games didn't get easier. For every legitimately difficult old game, I'm sure there's difficult newer games to balance the scales.
Also, to try and help that point, I'll address the games you mentioned. Mega Man 2 I agree with, and I can't really think of a good modern parallel for it, so I guess I'll just throw out a random difficult game and say Super Meat Boy. You know, for the sake of trying to make it 1:1.
Contra, I'll admit I haven't played a lot of it, and I was terrible at it. I can't say if it was due to fairness or not, but I'll take your word, and say Alien Hominid.
Ninja Gaiden 2. I tried playing the old Ninja Gaidens...got to some part with a boat and couldn't figure it out so I never went back. Again, I'll take your word for it. But the modern Ninja Gaidens are also difficult. Alma is the WORST.
I see that Batman as being for the Turbo Grafx? I do remember a Batman game for the NES, though I preferred the SNES batman game. Due to not really knowing what game you're talking about, I'll take it and use God Hand.
I was never a fan of metroidvania style games so I haven't really played any Castlevania's outside of SotN. Looking it up, it seems like one of those games that would fall victim to some knockback shenanigans or unfair enemy placement, but I'll take your word for it. Again I can't really think of a good modern parallel(mostly because I don't enjoy that style of game), so assuming my side goes back to the PS 1 I'll throw out Vagrant Story. If not, then I guess Devil May Cry(any but 2)
I don't know what you mean by "if those count" so I'll let them go for now.
I remember playing through Gunstar Heroes, I didn't find it very difficult until near the end. Even then it was only because I lost all my weapon power ups when I died. For the sake of simplicity(and subjectiveness on difficulty) though I'll just throw out another random game: Trials(either)
Raiden 2. Never heard of it, sounds pretty cool though. In response: Ikaruga
I only played a little of one of the F-Zeros, it didn't seem that hard, but I was also really bad at it so I didn't play much. I'll come up with a game anyway though. I remember Burnout: Revenge(I think?) getting pretty difficult. That could just be me though.
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