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#1 Posted by EODTech (99 posts) -

[Tiny, minor spoilers]

On the Paleto heist, if you have unlocked Packie and decide to use him, he gets in a lot of dialogue while en route to the bank. He tells the gang about how his sister is dead and he has no clue where Niko is or if he's even still alive. So I guess we know which GTA 4 ending Rockstar considers canon. Poor Niko. Playing GTA 4, I had the ending where Michelle (that was her name, right?) got killed, but I went back and did it the other way just so they ended up alive and together. Kind of sad that it didn't end up a happy ending after all.

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#2 Posted by jimmyfenix (3941 posts) -

I want roman in the GTA V DLC. He should phone Mikey and ask him to go bowling with him.

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#3 Posted by Crash_Happy (811 posts) -

I remember a reference to Niko and how he'd gone quiet. Could mean he got out rather than got dead.

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#4 Posted by pyrodactyl (3748 posts) -

Pretty sure it doesn't matter. That bit with Packie was really neat but it doesn't tell us anything about Niko.

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#5 Edited by Andorski (5481 posts) -

I remember a reference to Niko and how he'd gone quiet. Could mean he got out rather than got dead.

I think the "gone quiet" line is a reference to the fact that the voice actor for Niko publicly complained about how little he was paid in respect to how much money GTA IV made. When Rockstar went on to make TLaD and TBoGT DLC, they refused to rehire the voice actor and just used clips from his voice recordings from the main game.

Hence, Niko is now "quiet."

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#6 Posted by ShaggE (8448 posts) -

But what happened to Travis from GTA1?

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#7 Posted by GreggD (4595 posts) -

@andorski said:

@crash_happy said:

I remember a reference to Niko and how he'd gone quiet. Could mean he got out rather than got dead.

I think the "gone quiet" line is a reference to the fact that the voice actor for Niko publicly complained about how little he was paid in respect to how much money GTA IV made. When Rockstar went on to make TLaD and TBoGT DLC, they refused to rehire the voice actor and just used clips from his voice recordings from the main game.

Hence, Niko is now "quiet."

I said that to a friend, he thought it was a stretch. I think Rockstar's smart enough to write that in knowingly.

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#8 Posted by Doskias (403 posts) -
@eodtech said:

He tells the gang about how his sister is dead and he has no clue where Niko is or if he's even still alive. So I guess we know which GTA 4 ending Rockstar considers canon.

Weird. I never heard him talk about his sister - only about the L.C. bank heist.

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#9 Edited by Discoman (190 posts) -

Well I think it's the better ending considering I didn't romance her at all, and so that relationship never developed in my game, meanwhile no matter what you have to look after and help out Roman.

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#10 Posted by Daiphyer (1492 posts) -

@doskias said:
@eodtech said:

He tells the gang about how his sister is dead and he has no clue where Niko is or if he's even still alive. So I guess we know which GTA 4 ending Rockstar considers canon.

Weird. I never heard him talk about his sister - only about the L.C. bank heist.

Same here. He just says he was in it with some European dude, and now he doesn't know where he is. Never heard anything about his sister.

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#11 Edited by Doskias (403 posts) -

@daiphyer: Weird. I wonder (but doubt) if GTA5 looks at your GTA4 saves? Because Packie's sister is definitely alive by the end of my GTA4 game.

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#12 Posted by Crash_Happy (811 posts) -

@doskias said:

@daiphyer: Weird. I wonder (but doubt) if GTA5 looks at your GTA4 saves? Because Packie's sister is definitely alive by the end of my GTA4 game.

I don't think so, I don't have the saves from GTA4 on my console.

Assume that Nico going quiet is a sly wink if you like, not like we'll ever know. Personally, I'm in the 'bit of a stretch' camp.

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#13 Edited by Yummylee (24646 posts) -

Huh, I don't remember any mention of Kate. I do however remember Packie referencing the death of Derrick rather than Francis, so that decision at least has been set in stone.

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#14 Posted by Doskias (403 posts) -

@eodtech: I wonder, did you die on that mission ever? And did you have to re-play the part where this conversation takes place? Because GTA 4 and 5 both switch up the dialogue when you have to repeat a scene like that - I wonder if that's why some of us haven't seen this dialogue while others have.

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#15 Posted by GreggD (4595 posts) -

@discoman said:

Well I think it's the better ending considering I didn't romance her at all, and so that relationship never developed in my game, meanwhile no matter what you have to look after and help out Roman.

His relationship with Kate is much, much more subdued than his other potential dates. She is the most down-to-Earth woman in the whole game, minus Mikhail's wife. Which makes her death in the end all the more sad. She was an honest woman who was not a criminal or a psycho, yet she ended up dying anyway, if you did the right thing.

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#16 Posted by HatKing (7276 posts) -

That ending made way more sense. But the fact that they even actual that as the real ending only furthers to cement the fact that player choices in largely linear games is a really, reeeeeeeeeeeally stupid fucking idea. Maybe if they realize that, they can make a GTA game as well as they used to.

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#17 Edited by natetodamax (19466 posts) -

I didn't even know Packie was in GTA V.

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#18 Posted by mosespippy (4751 posts) -

@eodtech said:

[Tiny, minor spoilers]

On the Paleto heist, if you have unlocked Packie and decide to use him, he gets in a lot of dialogue while en route to the bank. He tells the gang about how his sister is dead and he has no clue where Niko is or if he's even still alive. So I guess we know which GTA 4 ending Rockstar considers canon. Poor Niko. Playing GTA 4, I had the ending where Michelle (that was her name, right?) got killed, but I went back and did it the other way just so they ended up alive and together. Kind of sad that it didn't end up a happy ending after all.

Michelle was the first girlfriend, (the undercover agent from The Agency). Packie's sister is Kate.

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#19 Posted by oobs (355 posts) -

geez when they kill off a voice actor they really go the whole hog

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#20 Posted by DystopiaX (5693 posts) -

@doskias said:

@daiphyer: Weird. I wonder (but doubt) if GTA5 looks at your GTA4 saves? Because Packie's sister is definitely alive by the end of my GTA4 game.

I don't think so, I don't have the saves from GTA4 on my console.

Assume that Nico going quiet is a sly wink if you like, not like we'll ever know. Personally, I'm in the 'bit of a stretch' camp.

it's probably alternate dialog if you die once or a rare occurance or something

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#21 Posted by Yummylee (24646 posts) -

@crash_happy said:

@doskias said:

@daiphyer: Weird. I wonder (but doubt) if GTA5 looks at your GTA4 saves? Because Packie's sister is definitely alive by the end of my GTA4 game.

I don't think so, I don't have the saves from GTA4 on my console.

Assume that Nico going quiet is a sly wink if you like, not like we'll ever know. Personally, I'm in the 'bit of a stretch' camp.

it's probably alternate dialog if you die once or a rare occurance or something

Nah, that doesn't happen in GTA V like it did in IV. The dialogue is always the same.

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#22 Posted by probablytuna (4968 posts) -

@eodtech said:

[Tiny, minor spoilers]

On the Paleto heist, if you have unlocked Packie and decide to use him, he gets in a lot of dialogue while en route to the bank. He tells the gang about how his sister is dead and he has no clue where Niko is or if he's even still alive. So I guess we know which GTA 4 ending Rockstar considers canon. Poor Niko. Playing GTA 4, I had the ending where Michelle (that was her name, right?) got killed, but I went back and did it the other way just so they ended up alive and together. Kind of sad that it didn't end up a happy ending after all.

Michelle was the first girlfriend, (the undercover agent from The Agency). Packie's sister is Kate.

You know, I didn't even realise Michelle made an appearance in GTA V (in Three's Company) until I looked her up on the wiki. She even sports that hair clip and somewhat similar hairstyle, but other than that she looks completely different.