This looks so good. Hopefully with his origin basically out of the way they can do some fun non-origin story stuff. I was surprised by just how sci-fi they made Wakanda look.
CG Black Panther at the end look a bit weird though. I guess it's still early, but something about it looks too much like an animation there. I don't mean too much like someone animated it, because of course that shit's gonna be CG. I mean like the whole thing was a Pixar movie or something. There was a bit of that weird CG smoothness in Civil War, but everything around the CG was enough to ground it in reality.
So whadda we got. Spider-Man and Thor this year; Black Panther, Infinity War, and Captain Marvel next year? Then some other stuff and the Infinity War sequel the following year? Man if they can nail this Infinity War stuff the pressure's off for phase 4. They can take it easy and do whatever the fuck they want.
CG Black Panther at the end look a bit weird though.
He has a whole different costume in the back half of the trailer. It's sleeker, less textured and the mask it totally different. I don't care for it as much as the Civil War costume.
Will it be another merely good Marvel film that is decent fun while I'm watching it but will end up leaving me feeling empty? Only time will tell!
e: For me at least 90% of the marvel films reek so much of design by committee that I actually get a bit confused at the nearly unanimous praise they get. I guess with Disney behind the reins playing it painfully safe is your only option.
I was already sorta off the Marvel train with Ultron seeming like it was made for comic book people. Watching this I think I'm officially done. All the trailer tells me is that it's gonna have action and it's gonna have "dumb" lore. There's just no interesting tone or character, it's not funny or gritty or enthralling, it's just superheroes and villains doing superhero and villain stuff.
The trailer looks cool enough, but it didn't get me HYPED per se. Instead it was more of a "Hm, this looks interesting." I'm excited about the movie itself because it looks way different from other MCU fare (the politics of Wakanda get more attention than anything else and that's gonna be cool) but overall the trailer was just pretty good.
I was already sorta off the Marvel train with Ultron seeming like it was made for comic book people. Watching this I think I'm officially done. All the trailer tells me is that it's gonna have action and it's gonna have "dumb" lore. There's just no interesting tone or character, it's not funny or gritty or enthralling, it's just superheroes and villains doing superhero and villain stuff.
You missed the part where every movie is just a sad shell of CGI, and poorly written dialog, to egg you along until the next Avengers movie happens. I'm surprised they didn't shoe horn RDJ into this one like Spiderman, that movie's trailer is mostly RDJ quips to try and get you to watch a movie with a super weak disney forced "star".
I think we'll look back at this time and recall it as "The time Disney lost it's damn mind".
I was already sorta off the Marvel train with Ultron seeming like it was made for comic book people. Watching this I think I'm officially done. All the trailer tells me is that it's gonna have action and it's gonna have "dumb" lore. There's just no interesting tone or character, it's not funny or gritty or enthralling, it's just superheroes and villains doing superhero and villain stuff.
Ultron really really wasn't made for comic people, if it had been then it would have at least been interesting. Also calling Black Panther "just a superhero" is very strange. He's the least superhero-y superhero Marvel has.
Also calling Black Panther "just a superhero" is very strange. He's the least superhero-y superhero Marvel has.
It's not about how much or little superhero-y he is, it's about what else he is. The reason characters like Iron Man, Wolverine and Deadpool has done it really well is because they have strong personalities. It's the Superman problem, he's just a fucking dull character, and this trailer did nothing to show me anything exciting about Black Panther as a character.
@ares42: I think the trailer relies on the assumption that the viewer watched Panther's debut in Civil War. In that movie I found his character to be quite compelling as a hero who must also consider the weight of being a king.
So anyone that knows the Black Panther comics have like a quick run-down of the character? I watched Civil War and honestly have no idea who the guy is apart from the fact that he is a king of some fictional nation, that apparently is like El Dorado, and also has super powers that can go toe to toe with all the best of the Avengers.
Does he actually have super powers or is it all in the suit? Or is this that weird mixed bag like Wonder Woman where it's not classic superhero powers gained from science, but rather some mystical voodoo stuff bestowed by ancient spirits etc? He is strong and fast from what I can remember of the movie.
Also.. after rewatching the trailer a few more times, that backflip on that car in the end not only seems kinda poorly animated but it just physically doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I know Marvel is all about spectacle while DC is trying to be more about atmosphere, but they need to limit their CGI use on full characters because were just not there yet and it almost always looks fake and weird.
@humanity: I'm sure the movie will explain it, but basically i believe an alien ship crashed their bringing the metal "vibranium" (which cap's shield is made up) and other technology which makes them actually one of the most advanced cultures on the planet and also helps to hide themselves from he rest of the world. I don't remember much about his powers but i know they are passed from "king" to "king" and he only inherited them when his father was killed (in captain america), the black panther is like the guardian and king of the place which keeps outsiders out. I could me mixing this stuff up i honestly only ever seen it in the cartoons, and sadly never read the comics.
@oursin_360 @humanity My impression as a guy that never read a Black Panther comic is that his suit is lined with vibranium, granting him unusual protection. But besides that, he's African King Batman, and has zero powers.
Edit: Is what I said, but according to wikipedia he ate a special herb/made a pact with a panther deity of some sort that enhances his senses/healing/strength. I never got the impression in Civil War that he's even Captain America level strength, so I've got no idea. I guess he's as strong as he needs to be, but couldn't exactly lift a car spider-man style?
I thought all the Marvel trailers that have come out looked uninspired and boring. Thor specifically looked awful, spiderman did nothing for me, and Black Panther was incoherent.
@redhotchilimist: @oursin_360 I remember a scene where he is able to stop the Winter Soldiers punch or something like that - like definitely one of the super powered doods punches at him and he catches the fist or something? He seemed pretty strong.
I know Marvel can make smooth, entertaining movies now, hope this one is one of their but I hope Black Panther has a strong direction like Winter Soldier or the first Guardians. Neither of those movies were perfect, but they had distinct personalities and are a lot more memorable because of it.
@humanity: @redhotchilimist: He definitely has some sort of power i am just not 100% sure what and honestly don't want to look it up and just wait for the movie lol.
Good music choice for the trailer and a nice remix of it too.
Watched this with a roommate and we both thought the same thing. We heard this remix on Triple J (Australia Raido station that plays all the shit the kids like:P) so we were familiar. But it was a good choice.
As an aside, I realize Marvel has a track record of just making things that are "okay to good" and very few great things. But this can be thrown into that category too. It looks good. They seem to understand their audience very well though so that kind of plays into it.
As an aside, I realize Marvel has a track record of just making things that are "okay to good" and very few great things. But this can be thrown into that category too. It looks good. They seem to understand their audience very well though so that kind of plays into it.
I don't think I'm representative of the audience as a whole, but Marvel movies are pretty much all I go out of my way to watch. I don't really care about movies, but I'm way into supernatural, lighthearted punch-ups and I've been a fan of some superhero comic books and cartoons. I've no particular love for Black Panther, but I'm still hyped for his movie because it's probably going to be a very good time with superheroes and supervillains, and if I'm lucky they might even use their hero names without making up a dumb excuse for them.
Good music choice for the trailer and a nice remix of it too.
Watched this with a roommate and we both thought the same thing. We heard this remix on Triple J (Australia Raido station that plays all the shit the kids like:P) so we were familiar. But it was a good choice.
As an aside, I realize Marvel has a track record of just making things that are "okay to good" and very few great things. But this can be thrown into that category too. It looks good. They seem to understand their audience very well though so that kind of plays into it.
I think the superhero cinematic experiences fall into three categories at this point. You have the Nolan type movies which try to do more realistic heroes which are slightly more grounded in their own unique way with more mature storytelling. You have the Marvel movies which are all out summer blockbuster popcorn flicks with predictable plots, pretty thin writing and a lot of spectacular special effects - a fun ride but nothing you'll really discuss in depth after getting home from the theater. Finally you have DC who are trying to do a mix of the two to varying degrees of success, but mostly failing because people want one or the other and they seem incapable of handling a mix - that and people just despise Zack Snyder to the point where I saw a video review of Wonder Woman praising everything about it and all it's shortcomings were quite literally blamed on Snyder.
So yah I'm pretty sure this will be another decent Marvel movie. Inoffensive plot with some great special effects, bombastic action sequences and fun dialog, but nothing that will elevate it beyond the typical superhero movie.
Damn good trailer, nothing like what I expected. Love the hip hop music. Very excited for this. He was one of the best things about Civil War, which is in my opinion the best Marvel movie.
BY THE WAY, THE DIRECTOR OF "CREED" IS DIRECTING THIS.
I was already sorta off the Marvel train with Ultron seeming like it was made for comic book people. Watching this I think I'm officially done. All the trailer tells me is that it's gonna have action and it's gonna have "dumb" lore. There's just no interesting tone or character, it's not funny or gritty or enthralling, it's just superheroes and villains doing superhero and villain stuff.
You missed the part where every movie is just a sad shell of CGI, and poorly written dialog, to egg you along until the next Avengers movie happens. I'm surprised they didn't shoe horn RDJ into this one like Spiderman, that movie's trailer is mostly RDJ quips to try and get you to watch a movie with a super weak disney forced "star".
I think we'll look back at this time and recall it as "The time Disney lost it's damn mind".
You guys feel exactly the same way I do. If it wasn't for the characters that I already know from when I was a kid and read comics and watched the cartoons, I couldn't even tell these movies apart. They all look and feel the same on almost every way. Sure, there's been some highlights like Winter Soldier and the first Guardians but even those were highlights only in comparison to the rest of the Marvel movies. Story, cinematography, dialog, cgi, costumes, music... everything, it's just so bland. When this trailer started with the scene between Freeman and Serkis I thought it was looking nice, but then they switched to another scene and it already looked like every other Marvel movie.
Also, the CGI on Marvel movies always looks really "muddy" and blurry to me for some reason, like it's missing details or their forgot to add textures, I don't know, it feels weird, specially for movies that rely so much on CGI. That, and I also don't like how they design the costumes. The original costumes on the comics didn't had many details and that would look bad on camera, obviously, so their solution was to just put a bunch of random lines on empty spaces. It's noticeable on the majority of costumes but really blatant on Spider-Man.
Also calling Black Panther "just a superhero" is very strange. He's the least superhero-y superhero Marvel has.
It's not about how much or little superhero-y he is, it's about what else he is. The reason characters like Iron Man, Wolverine and Deadpool has done it really well is because they have strong personalities. It's the Superman problem, he's just a fucking dull character, and this trailer did nothing to show me anything exciting about Black Panther as a character.
It's a teaser. The movie comes out in February 2018. They'll have actual trailers to flesh out the story and character(s). I'm personaly glad this teaser is basically a tone piece. It's a hell of a lot better than that stupid Spider Man trailer that basically spoils the whole movie.
The trailer reminds me of the issue I had with what i've read the of the newest Black Panther comic book run...everyone around Black Panther is infinitely more interesting than Black Panther himself.
@theht: Actually, next year is Black Panther, Avengers Infinity War, and Ant-Man & the Wasp. 2019 Is Captain Marvel, Avengers, and the Spider-Man sequel. Then Guardians 3 is after that.
Also calling Black Panther "just a superhero" is very strange. He's the least superhero-y superhero Marvel has.
It's not about how much or little superhero-y he is, it's about what else he is. The reason characters like Iron Man, Wolverine and Deadpool has done it really well is because they have strong personalities. It's the Superman problem, he's just a fucking dull character, and this trailer did nothing to show me anything exciting about Black Panther as a character.
@donchipotle: I think the terms teaser or official trailer have lost all meaning when the teaser is longer than some official full release trailers. That said I think a lot of trailers already show and say too much. It's a fine line to walk between giving an audience a taste to reel them into theater seats, and basically run down through all major story plot points. I only watched two trailers for Wonder Woman before going to the movies and it still felt like I basically saw all the key parts and was able to string along what will happen next based on them. Spider-Man Homecoming is absolutely ridiculous with the amount of different cuts they released of the trailers.
Either way I don't have a problem with how "informative" this trailer was. It's a Marvel flick so I doubt I'll have to struggle too hard to put two and two together - the good guy is fighting the bad guys and reasons for said fighting will be spelled out in the movie. That said let's not kid ourselves.. I worked in the film industry for several years and this cut is in no way representative of what we would classically call a teaser.
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