As most of you should already know, the British have been heavily criticized for their education system, and how they are "more like prison facilities" than "learning institutions".
Strictest rules in the world and unlike America, students have absolutely no freedom of assembly and are forced to be branded like cattle by wearing school uniforms. Uniforms have been proven to have more negative effects on schools and on human behavior than positive. They also don't have high schools in England, they have little 11 and 12 year olds mixed up with teenagers, they don't separated 13-18 from the kids, like they do in America. Reasons (aside from the more obvious ones) that 11 and 12 year olds don't belong near teenagers:
1. Two entirely different maturity levels.
2. The teens have hit puberty and the kids have not.
3. That must wreak havok on dating out there, and especially on sex.
4. 11 and 12 year olds shouldn't be exposed to all the drug dealings and sex that goes on in high school.
5. If one were to get in a fight with the little kids, and they did not know they were little kids (though it's pretty obvious to spot the 12 year olds, since they stand out for being complete dumbasses), they could seriously injure or possibly even kill them, since they are such fragile creatures, they could also get in some real serious trouble for insulting a non-teen child and possibly serve time.
British education system among the worst in the world
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I had to wear uniforms to school from kindergarten to high school, it wasn't too bad. How are the British schools like prison systems? I bet the kids end up knowing a lot more than they do over here. The public school system in America is fucked, especially in the inner city.
Actually, the reason schools have uniforms is not for the sake of 'branding', but to remove class distinctions from the school body so people won't be judged on that basis. Crazy talk, right? Sounds almost democratic to me.
I'm not therapist or anything but I would think keeping the very young and the much older in such close proximity like that would keep them both more in line. I'd be less inclined to make a blue joke with kids around, and as a kid I'd be less inclined to pee on someone's shoes with big kids around.
Social democrat, maybe. Or whatever Euros call socialism now. Also that's great, cus putting a uniform on someone who never takes showers or washes the uniform totally covers the fact that they're poor. That's the kind of rock solid logic one would expect from a nanny state out of control." Actually, the reason schools have uniforms is not for the sake of 'branding', but to remove class distinctions from the school body so people won't be judged on that basis. Crazy talk, right? Sounds almost democratic to me. "
Also they are seperated.
You have Primary and Secondary schools. Primary for up to about age 11 and then Secondary for 11-16. After that there are Sixth forms for 17-18 year olds.
None of what you say is true. I haven't seen criticism of the British school system anywhere (recently), and schools with all ages from 6 to 18 don't exist, they're separate.
Speaking as a person who has experienced it, I think it's one of the better ones actually. Sure, it can be strict, but thank your lucky stars there's no corporal punishment like other countries out there.
I know OP has no kind of source or evidence or anything besides probably his own experience as a victim to a gang of bullies to back any of this up, but I'm really not surprised. Only thing I feel like I explicitly learned while I was there is that if you make friends with the teachers, they will let you get away with all kinds of shit.
" None of what you say is true. I haven't seen criticism of the British school system anywhere (recently), and schools with all ages from 6 to 18 don't exist, they're separate. Speaking as a person who has experienced it, I think it's one of the better ones actually. Sure, it can be strict, but thank your lucky stars there's no corporal punishment like other countries out there. "I hear they cut a finger off every time you dont do your homework.
Good for you. What does it feel like knowing that teens in the free world (America) can wear whatever they want (within reason of the school dress code)?" Ummm i had to wear a uniform so ya. "
" @scarace360 said:I live in canada and it kind sucked but i dont wear one anymore so i really dont care.Good for you. What does it feel like knowing that teens in the free world (America) can wear whatever they want (within reason of the school dress code)? "" Ummm i had to wear a uniform so ya. "
" Actually, the reason schools have uniforms is not for the sake of 'branding', but to remove class distinctions from the school body so people won't be judged on that basis. Crazy talk, right? Sounds almost democratic to me. "Democracy and authoritarianism are different. Notice how the free world (America) doesn't have school uniforms (in public schools). And yet, America's education system, while it has some flaws, is praised as being one of the best in the world.
" I know OP has no kind of source or evidence or anything besides probably his own experience as a victim to a gang of bullies to back any of this up, but I'm really not surprised. Only thing I feel like I explicitly learned while I was there is that if you make friends with the teachers, they will let you get away with all kinds of shit. "I also learned never to kick a desolate bag in the middle of a school field.... fucking hurt, though the brick being left inside it surely had something to do with that.
My school was a very basic state school, but it was fucking amazing. Uniforms are good for the simple fact that some parents cant afford to keep up with the lastest fashion. Who wants to be the kid that is mocked for his shitty £20 jeans when, with uniforms, there is a level playing field.
The lack of seperation works towards a greater understanding of people both older and younger as you progress through education and gives younger children a chance to work with their peers to prepare them for being that age themselves. There has to be a level of strictness with children or they will just not focus and get on with learning. If I wasn't pushed and I wasn't disciplined at school then I would have grown up to be a fucking nightmare and probably ended up on Jeremy Kyle.
If it wasnt for the UK education system I probably wouldn't have gotten my Masters in Business.
You have put no argument forward for your statement so its practically worthless.
clearly the education system that taught you that is worse than England because that's all utter bollocks
" @scarace360 said:I went to school in both England and America and i had to wear uniforms both times.Good for you. What does it feel like knowing that teens in the free world (America) can wear whatever they want (within reason of the school dress code)? "" Ummm i had to wear a uniform so ya. "
And i tell you what, uniforms are fucking awesome. The only people who complain about uniforms are loser Goths and other weirdo's who don't get to "express" themselves by wearing weird ass shit. Even through College i would see people wearing the same thing to class everyday because no one cares what you wear while in class. The unofficial uniform of OSU was jeans and a hoddie.
" @saturnvengeance: I'd also like to point out that Britain is also part of the free world. "Apparently you're free enough to throw freedoms away. That's progress I suppose.
" @owl_of_minerva said:They are all extremely poor? I thought they were a first world country, but according to you, they are like Ethiopia or something. Grow the fuck up.Social authoritarianism, maybe. Or whatever Euros call socialism now. Also that's great, cus putting a uniform on someone who never takes showers or washes the uniform totally covers the fact that they're poor. That's the kind of rock solid logic one would expect from a nanny state out of control. "" Actually, the reason schools have uniforms is not for the sake of 'branding', but to remove class distinctions from the school body so people won't be judged on that basis. Crazy talk, right? Sounds almost democratic to me. "
As someone who had a father in the forces, and has lived in and attended schools in pretty much every part of the world except for america, i can guarantee the british education system is NOT the worst by far.
You want crazy education system? (and to be fair this is purely just my opinion so sorry if this offends anyone) get yourself over to Ireland! Maybe it seemed crazier because as a british forces kid in Ireland back then life was a bit intense, but the schooling was amongst the most strict and batshit insane i've ever been part of!
Yeah when I say putting on uniforms doesn't magically mask the poor, I'm saying everyone is poor. You're a thinker. I kinda feel bad for assuming you knew what you were talking about to begin with." @ryanwho said:
" @owl_of_minerva said:They are all extremely poor? I thought they were a first world country, but according to you, they are like Ethiopia or something. Grow the fuck up. "Social authoritarianism, maybe. Or whatever Euros call socialism now. Also that's great, cus putting a uniform on someone who never takes showers or washes the uniform totally covers the fact that they're poor. That's the kind of rock solid logic one would expect from a nanny state out of control. "" Actually, the reason schools have uniforms is not for the sake of 'branding', but to remove class distinctions from the school body so people won't be judged on that basis. Crazy talk, right? Sounds almost democratic to me. "
You have generalised all 12 year olds as dumbasses which is completely unfounded and a stupid point to make. Why are they all dumbasses, I wasn't, I was a kid, plain and simple.
I don't even know where you are going with the puberty and sex arguments. People weren't exactly fucking in the corridors at my school. You have to start to experience dating and kissing at a certain age and school will always tend to be the place. There is no point in encouraging abstinence by segregating age groups, kids will just grow up naive about dating and sex and that isn't a good idea in this day and age.
You really don't know what you are talking about. Where are you from and how old are you? And don't lie, I will know.
" As most of you should already know, the British have been heavily criticized for their education system, and how they are "more like prison facilities" than "learning institutions". Strictest rules in the world and unlike America, students have absolutely no freedom of assembly and are forced to be branded like cattle by wearing school uniforms. Uniforms have been proven to have more negative effects on schools and on human behavior than positive. They also don't have high schools in England, they have little 11 and 12 year olds mixed up with teenagers, they don't separated 13-18 from the kids, like they do in America. Reasons (aside from the more obvious ones) that 11 and 12 year olds don't belong near teenagers:1. Two entirely different maturity levels.2. The teens have hit puberty and the kids have not.3. That must wreak havok on dating out there, and especially on sex.4. 11 and 12 year olds shouldn't be exposed to all the drug dealings and sex that goes on in high school. 5. If one were to get in a fight with the little kids, and they did not know they were little kids (though it's pretty obvious to spot the 12 year olds, since they stand out for being complete dumbasses), they could seriously injure or possibly even kill them, since they are such fragile creatures, they could also get in some real serious trouble for insulting a non-teen child and possibly serve time. "
what utter nonsense. All this based off of wearing uniforms?
The UK system isn't perfect, but it's not too bad.
we essentially have 3 levels of schools -
Primary - 5 year olds up to 12 year olds - each year they move up a class
Secondary- 11/12 year olds up to 18 - now you can leave school at 16 here -
Colleges - now you can do some of the work you'd do at 17/18 at school at a college.
While they may attend the same school they are pretty much very well segregated - each 'year' of pupils have their own classes and they only mix at break times - even at that you usually stay with your friends.
Now your point about the school uniform - as already stated, it's there to remove many of the status items kids like to wear nowadays and remove some of the social stigma of not being able to afford such designer clothes. Making the school a more equal place in that respect.
Also, it's obvious you have no idea how these schools operate -
a 5th year pupil will never get into a fight with a 1st year pupil - 1) it's frowned upon and 2) it will be dealt very severely from staff and other pupils
an older pupil will not usually 'date' one of the younger pupils again, it's frowned upon and is seen as a point of ridicule for an older pupil to date a, say 1st year pupil.
So rather than make stupid, ill-informed generalisations that you have no idea about. Go make some tea or have a biscuit.
What's the old saying?
"Best say nothing and have people think you are a fool than opening your mouth and removing all doubt......."
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