no one cares
I'd suggest just being yourself online and remaining low-key and away from arguments, but your life.
I'm fascinated by this idea of playing a character online, either being a hero or being a villain, and I just have never understood the appeal. I've gone fir a beer several times with guys I've met online, and the one comment I've always gotten is that I'm "exactly the same dude", for good or for worse.
If I want to pretend to be someone else, I play an RPG. I'd be curious to see if you had any additional comments on why you got so wrapped up in it.
I meant the internet as in forums and communities like the OP said. I haven't felt the need to join any porno message boards yet.
@PeasantAbuse: Because... porn?
The idea of trolling seems to utterly worthless to me. I also don't understand why people will feed trolls. If you're arguing with someone online give them just 3 or so posts for the argument to advance beyond where it was at the first post. If it doesn't you have to admit that either A) you're both unwilling to budge on the issue B) one of you is too stupid to understand the other's argument or C) the other person is trolling. It doesn't matter which it is, but at that point you need to just bow out and move on with your life. It's just not worth continuing and nothing good will come from trying.
Not a bad idea. Hope it works for you.
I rarely take part in arguments and when I do, I'll just say my piece and let it go - I don't feel the need to educate others or convert them into my way of thinking. So internet is fairly relaxing experience for me - I'm a leecher. I suck up all the enjoyment that's available and contribute almost nothing back.
Sometimes some discussions might irritate me enough so that I write a wall of text - and then don't post it. Because at that point I'll have sorted out my thoughts/feelings about the issue and realized that I don't really care enough to click the 'Post Reply' button - then I just go on my merry way and watch some more entertaining videos.
Interesting. I actually felt, well, similarly just recently. I haven't ever considered myself a troll, and I can appreciate the genuine people behind the avatars, but sometimes like you said, it just becomes an addiction. It feels like you're doing the same thing every day. Not because it's fun, but out of habit almost. At least that's how I felt. I was constantly finding myself angry just doing simple things like reading tweets or skimming threads here on Giant Bomb. That obviously wasn't healthy. I took a break for several days though and I found that to be pretty refreshing. I hope you haven't deleted ALL of your accounts, because that's something you may regret.
Are the connections that you’re making online actually meaningful and/or honest? Does spending time online really make you happy?
I'd say in general that yes, the internet has made me happier. I've had a lot of fun using sites like Giant Bomb, and even--somewhat surprisingly--met some great friends. There are negative aspects of the internet, but overall, I enjoy being a member of a cool community, like this one for example. Do what you've gotta do though, man. Good luck with everything post-internet. I hope you're happier. :)
At first I thought I thought you were secretly that dude posing as a 10 year old Xbox fanboy who can't type correctly.
I read it and I agree completely, I generally act like a dick to anything that ticks me off because you're free to do so, and in an argument there is usually no meeting in the point you're making, everything stays one sided.
It's a waste of time if i'm not going to actually come to know some of you and instead every now and then give a little help and then diss some dude for making a street fighter video.
The people writing "No one cares" are the exact reason why the internet sucks. Although it also sounds like you were one of the people that made the internet suck!, so I'm really glad that you've got some perspective! I'm sure this will work out really well for you and when you come back I look forward to speaking with you.
I only feel the urge to act like a human being in places like facebook where my name and face are tied to what I say, because I know people will also do so in kind. Anywhere else and it's a motto of "Everyone is an asshole on the internet, expect the worst of people and give no quarter"
This rule applies even more when dealing with gaming communities.
Edit: Dont get me wrong, this isn't what I want, i'm all for a tron style future internet where people are responsible for their actions and what they say. It's just not going to happen soon.
I once used to think that the step to making internet less hostile is to make it more immersive so that people don't use anonymity given by internet to spew out any garbage that pops up in their psyche. But over the years I have come to realize that making internet less anonymous would make it less hostile, but it would not eradicate the problem. "Trolls" have existed since the beginning of humanity but its the democratization of internet that allows them to be so much louder and visible than how they are in real life.
People who willfully make provocative remarks exist offline, but most don't get to have a platform where some kind of audience listens to them. But on internet, where every user is equal, not only you get to barf nonsense but you get reinforced for your negative remarks because many people can't help but respond to emotionally salient language. When everyone is on an equal standing, the quality of dialogue is not mediated by the smartest but the person stimulating lowest common denominator, our emotions. This is true of politics, sciences, and of course, internet boards and chat rooms.
I think we have to teach people on how to identify and ignore these sort of individuals if a particular community is interested in keeping its quality of discourse high. One way to identify these sorts of people is through their unusually high post count. There is no way a person can post dozens, if not hundreds, of messages daily on a board without most of his/her remarks being nonsense. This is not a law where high post count = troll, but a useful heuristic.
Another way is to educate yourself on being able to identify logical fallacies. By that I don't even mean take a college level course on logic 101 but just make yourself familiar to most common informal logical fallacies.
(Fallacies of relevance)
1. Appeal to force: Threatening in order to win an argument
2. Appeal to pity: Eliciting pity in order to win an argument
3. Appeal to the people: Eliciting mob mentality. Appealing to listener’s desire for security, respect
4. Argument against the person: Verbally abusing your opponent. Showing that arguer is a hypocrite
5. Accident: General rule applied to a specific case it was not intended to cover
6. Straw man: Distorts the opponent’s argument and then attacks the distorted argument
7. Missing the point: Draws conclusion different from one supported by premises
8. Red Herring: Leading listener off track
(Fallacies of weak induction)
1. Appeal to unqualified authority: Citing untrustworthy authority
2. Appeal to ignorance: Nothing is known or proved, then draw a conclusion
3. Hasty generalization: Conclusion drawn from an atypical example
4. False cause: Conclusion depends on nonexistent or minor causal connection
5. Slippery slope: Conclusion depends on unlikely chain reaction
6. Weak analogy: Conclusion depends on defective analogy
(Fallacies of presumption)
1. Begging the question: Creating the illusion that inadequate premises are adequate by leaving out a key premise, restating the conclusion as a premise, reasoning in circle
2. Complex question: Multiple questions concealed as a single question
3. False dichotomy: Either or statements that hides additional alternatives
4. Suppressed evidence: Arguer ignores important evidence that requires a different conclusion
(Fallacies of ambiguity)
1. Equivocation: Conclusion depends on a shift in meaning of a word or phrase
2. Amphiboly: Conclusion depends on the wrong interpretation of a syntactically ambiguous statement
(Fallacies of grammatical analogy)
1. Composition: Attribute is wrong transferred from parts to whole
2. Division: Attribute is wrongly transferred from whole to parts
Memorizing a list like this will take hours, at best. And as soon as you see someone making a logical fallacy, point it to him/her. If the person responds by making an emotional remark, just move on. Having some sort of discourse or conversation is no longer within the realm of possibility. Simply ignore his/her remarks.
Inability to control one's actions or fall into the addiction category just screams weak minded to me. Not disease.
I got bored half way..maybe less... through the article. Just sounds like web emo to me. Just promise not to start cutting yourself with old floppy disc innards.
To actually ad something to the discussion I would like to point out that humans are social animals, forums and the internet being a way to interact with other humans (term used loosely) .. So an enjoyment of those interactions is normal and healthy depending on the kind you take part in. You chose to be a dipshit or a troll and now seem to want our sympathies for why you don't enjoy it anymore.
I feel the same way somehow, I even tried to stop, BUT:
There is no way you'll find people that share your interest as certain communities online do. That's my problem. I have friends, I like them, but they barely share my interests. And that really sucks.
I don't want to stop playing crazy games or listen to foreign music and I don't want to not discuss them.
The internet will probably stay the only place where I can do that.
edit: Oh and I hope you realise the irony of making a thread about it.
Internet is bigger than that.. I do troll in real life, when im in the bar for example. And i got beat up for doing it to.. Thats why forum is a better place. Why? well because people can say whaterver whenever they want. The only thing you can get is angry and hatefull och glad or what not.. But its only stories words thoughts from someone somewhere.. Dont be so fucking serious about things its not youre way of thinking its someone elses. And thats a great thing that anyone can express that without being knockeddown or threathed for speaking there mind on a bus. With all the politicians trying to put laws on the internet to silence people this is wrong.. Especally to stop hanging out on forums and to be anonymous. More people should be doing it instead of using Facebook.. or as i would say facadebook.
But yes, its probobly an good idea to interact with real life (if you feel you lack it). But seriously Internet is the way we live, its a new world a smaller world. with no real rules and borders.. google translate its a great instument to explore the web .
PS. Internet Is not an addiction its just a part of the new real life
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