Do you prefer "method" acting or more "straight" acting

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Poll Do you prefer "method" acting or more "straight" acting (16 votes)

yes; Method acting gives more realistic or otherwise better performances 63%
no, for whatever reason you have... 38%

So I'm going to front load this with a couple of explanations and equivocations:

  • I know it looks like I've loaded the poll to prefer one option, but that's only because I feel like there are myriad reasons you might choose no, but only really one obvious reason you would choose yes. Don't take it as evidence that my mind is solidly made up about the issue!
  • I think it might be useful if people who post just write a little bit about what they understand the term "method acting" to mean, just because it's a bit, because it's a quite nebulous term.

So over the past few years when I watch movies, I've been trying more and more to think about the acting in them and whether it's good or bad, and why I think that, and to what extent I think that is the fault of the actor (surprisingly not that often), the director (a lot more often), the script (most often) or whatever else. This is largely because I never used to be particularly alive to the performances of actors, either in terms of judging them or interpreting them, and I've been making an effort to include this into my repetoire as a viewer, so to speak.

And the main thing I've taken from it as a whole is that I think a lot of the time the "method" is restrictive to the film, that it leads to films that I like less, essentially, when compared to other types of performance. For the purposes of this post I'll just quickly say that I understand method acting as the attempt to genuinely feel the emotions your portraying;So the simplest example might be a method actor needing to portray sadness remembering something that made them sad, I suppose. For me method acting seems like an attempt to "get inside" the character, either on a moment to moment basis (that old cliché: "what's my characters motivation here?") or in the extreme, by trying to become the character. Other actors might find that it is enough to know that the script says the character is sad; perhaps they have some movement, set of actions, facial expression and/or body language, learned by rote or internalised through practice that gives them the outward appearance of sadness. To an extent, my definition here of method is defined in opposition to this practice. It is probably best described by that old story about Laurence Olivier's reply to Dustin Hoffman asking for advice on how best to get into character for a scene: "Try acting, my boy."

So I guess the first thing is what's the difference, right? The outward manifestation of emotion and motivation is all we ever get anyway (not accounting for devices like voiceover, a convenient journal or even the boost that the language of cinematic staging and editing gives us), so ultimately it should have a very minor effect on the film, right? Well that's what I find interesting. When I look at performances by some of the most famous method actors, and compare them to performances by some famous actors from other "schools" the thing that strikes me is how intense those performances often are. The example that most immediately springs to mind is Al Pacino, an actor I greatly admire.

OK, that might not be the best example: supposedly it came about after several underwhelming attempts led him to do something a little out of the ordinary. But it's not the only moment like this; Pacino's character is very tightly wound and frequently explodes, and if you'll forgive me speculating, perhaps Pacino's closeness to a character he was playing as filled with barely suppressed rage contributed to that particular solution. Now I'm not denying that it works in this movie, and the fact that it all pivots on a long, quietly contemplative cafe conversation only makes outbursts like this more effective. But for me, that intensity doesn't work as well in, say, Scarface or the third Godfather movie. This kind of stuff is often said to be a product of his post Scent of a Woman work, but I think even as early as say, Serpico, Pacino was letting his characters' emotions occasionally get the better of him.

In the other corner, my go to example is probably Ralph Fiennes, who is probably best known for his more out-there, scenery chewing roles in Harry Potter or In Bruges, but who I admire most for films like The Constant Gardener and The End of the Affair. This is a scene from the former film I always found quite moving:

Perhaps people will disagree with me, and I know it is hard to glean a huge amount from a scene placed out of contect, but to me, there are a lot of subtle moments that I appreciate about his performance here. In the moment where he and Rachel Weisz's character walk up the garden path to the house, his body language really effectively conveys his awkwardness, for example. So what is the difference? Why am I lenient to the intensity of Fiennes weeping at the end of that clip, but less so towards the intense shouting of Pacino?

And I guess my answer is that everything about Fiennes' performance seems to be working in concert with the film. The subtlety of his body language as they walk up the garden path is great because quite apart from any naturalism of it, it conveys something in his character in the split second that the film allows for what is essentially an establishing shot. Likewise, the intensity of his weeping is as much due to the editing (sustained shot), the script and the music and so on, and he is as intense as all those other things need him to be (incidentally, I always like the touch where as he is most vocal, he seems to reign himself in, which seems very true to life). By contrast, in that scene, and many others like it, Pacino grinds the film to a screeching halt. It works for that movie, but it certainly forces the hand of the director, I feel; how many scenes in films have you scene in which a massive outburst like that prompts a sustained shot of the actor's face? The lens can't help but be enthralled by the power in a performance like that.

And nor, it seems, can we. Phrases like "powerhouse performance" are thrown around a lot in critical reviews, and never pejoratively. We are endlessly fascinated by stories of the lengths actors go to to prepare for film roles, and to some extent, I wonder whether that ultimately, both in what we bring to the viewing of those films, and what is immanent in them, that is in service of the story or not. It is no accident, incidentally, that I chose and american actor and a british actor: Most UK actors you will have heard of will have begun on the stage, training at Rada or somewhere similar, because that's just a bigger part of acting here (I feel). This probably contributes to the differences in the way acting is taught, because when you are being taught to act for the stage, body language, vocal inflection and so on become more important to your craft, and actors take that into their films. In Hollywood, the cinematic tradition has grown up apart from the stage, with a language of facial close-ups where the emotion in your eyes becomes a focal point. It's no surprise that trying to display emotions from within becomes more important.

Obviously there is a lot more wiggle room than I'm accounting for in this post, and there is also the point that if an actor gives a better performance one way than another, it doesn't matter much which side they fall on. However, what I do feel is that often that intensity that is a hallmark of method acting becomes in itself a signifier for "good" acting. But for me, I feel like often this harms the naturalism of the film, partly because in concert with the facial close-up, individual moments of emotion become so prominent within a film that it's as naturalistic as old silent films, where every facial expression had to be exaggerated for the audience. By contrast, I feel that actors who focus less on the individual emotions of their character, and more on the interactions within the scene, build up a gentler, more natural picture of who their character is.

So yeah, sorry for such a long post, but I felt I wanted to explain my thoughts as much as possible here, and I'll probably eluciadate and modify some statements as the thread progresses. I'd just be really interested to hear what people think, both about this question and about acting and what makes good acting in general.

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#1  Edited By Milkman

After attending my Methad One acting class, I definitely prefer methad acting. They had great juice too.

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@milkman said:

After attending my Methad One acting class, I definitely prefer methad acting. They had great juice too.

I had to quit after Tommy Tune started shaking me down for investment money

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When method acting leads to overly intense, scenery-chewing performances that jar with the tone of a film, I feel that's more of problem of direction than acting. You can't ask for more from the actor in such situations. At least they're acting, which is more than a lot of 'actors' manage to accomplish. Furthermore, you don't necessarily have to be a largely one-note performer like Pacino to be able to pelt out those kind of intense, emotional performances. There are actors of great versatility who immerse themselves in the Method. Still, in films where Pacino shows up and he chews the life out of the set, and it doesn't make for a performance that's congruent with what the film may have been asking for... that's still not his fault. He's shown up and been Pacino, which is exactly what he's expected to do (although he's phoned it in more and more as the years have passed). If it produces a bad result, I blame the director, or perhaps the casting director, but also maybe myself for picking the wrong film to watch.

Give me a choice of films and I will always go for the one with a committed method actor over another one. Ben Kingsley, DD Lewis, Forest Whitaker, Ian McKellen; these are all names that make me want to watch something because I know I'm guaranteed a certain calibre of performance. I actually think we're in a wonderful time for television because thesps with real chops are starting to be recognised and utilised by the bigger American cable companies more and more. Take a look at how Robert Carlyle's doing or how Charles Dance steals every damn scene he's in in GoT. Great times for great actors. However, the presence of such an actor doesn't guarantee they'll be directed well or that their performances will be well utilised.

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On a side note, this has reminded me I watched some Bob Hoskins clips the other day, after Ryan's booboo on the Bombcast led me to the sad discovery that Bob has retired due to Parkinson's Disease. In one clip from 1988, Hoskins talks about having problems with hallucinations after Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Having immersed himself so thoroughly in the role and world for 6 months, forcing himself to see imaginary characters everywhere, it carried over into his everyday life for a while after. I think that speaks a lot to the level of commitment which produces great performances and magical cinema.

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@laivasse: Ian McKellen isn't a method actor--he's theater trained. Method acting refers to those who refuse to "break" character when the director calls "Cut." Daniel Day Lewis does count, not because McKellen is less skilled (when I first saw him in Apt Pupil, I assumed he was a crusty, old German dude--how little I knew) but because Lewis is the type of actor who lives the way his character lives--if I remember correctly he spent the entire shoot of Last of the Mohicans (sic) living in a teepee he'd built himself.

At the end of the day, method is just a tool actors can use. Ultimately, if you can tell if an actor is method or not by his performance, his performance probably isn't very good.

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Charles Dance, Ben Kinglsey and Robert Carlyle aren't known as method actors, are they?

But you do make a salient point, which I elided in my original post because it was running very long. As I said, I think bad scripts and bad directors are far more often the cause of poor performances than poor acting - you only have to see a couple of truly bad actors to realise this.

However, to a certain extent I feel like you're proving my point? If we're so mesmerised by Pacino that all we require of him is that he turns up and is Pacino, sure that doesn't make him a bad actor, but it's not a great precedent to set. For starters it priveleges the actor over the role in a way that might but not necessarily will override stories at whatever level of production - and why blame them for it, people love to see Pacino being Pacino.

So sure, I suppose you can lay a lot of blame at the feet of casting directors or directors for willingly choosing to use such an actor, but that sidesteps the responsibility to an extent of the actor for choosing the roles they do. Daniel Day Lewis, for example, avoids most of these issues by choosing roles in which the sort of magnetism which you get from those performances is inherent to the film. For less choosy actors - lets got to Nic Cage on the other extreme - the results are a bit more mixed. It works really well in Face/Off, because inhabiting someone else's skin is literally the plot of the film. I'd make the case for it being probably the best option in The Bad Lieutenant. But then there's a huge swathe of films where he plays it too hard and comes off as insane - another in a series of missteps in the Wicker Man remake, for example.

I realise I'm choosing extreme examples, so I'll try and think of a method actor who is more subtle. The best I can think of right now is probably Ryan Gosling? What I'll try and think of while I sleep on it is actors who bring the sort of intensity that Pacino and Cage bring to insanity and yelling, or Gosling does to staring at stuff, to a broader range of emotions.

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@fifichiapet said:

@laivasse: Method acting refers to those who refuse to "break" character when the director calls "Cut."

That's not really definitive. To quote wikipedia (although the quote is currently unsourced) "Method actors are often characterised as immersing themselves in their characters to the extent that they continue to portray them even offstage or off-camera for the duration of a project. However, this is a popular misconception. While some actors have employed this approach, it is generally not taught as part of the Method."

I might have been mistaken with McKellen, but it boils down to his psychological approach when inhabiting a character. I strongly agree with what you're saying with "ultimately, if you can tell if an actor is method or not by his performance, his performance probably isn't very good."

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Charles Dance, Ben Kinglsey and Robert Carlyle aren't known as method actors, are they?

But you do make a salient point, which I elided in my original post because it was running very long. As I said, I think bad scripts and bad directors are far more often the cause of poor performances than poor acting - you only have to see a couple of truly bad actors to realise this.

However, to a certain extent I feel like you're proving my point? If we're so mesmerised by Pacino that all we require of him is that he turns up and is Pacino, sure that doesn't make him a bad actor, but it's not a great precedent to set. For starters it priveleges the actor over the role in a way that might but not necessarily will override stories at whatever level of production - and why blame them for it, people love to see Pacino being Pacino.

So sure, I suppose you can lay a lot of blame at the feet of casting directors or directors for willingly choosing to use such an actor, but that sidesteps the responsibility to an extent of the actor for choosing the roles they do. Daniel Day Lewis, for example, avoids most of these issues by choosing roles in which the sort of magnetism which you get from those performances is inherent to the film. For less choosy actors - lets got to Nic Cage on the other extreme - the results are a bit more mixed. It works really well in Face/Off, because inhabiting someone else's skin is literally the plot of the film. I'd make the case for it being probably the best option in The Bad Lieutenant. But then there's a huge swathe of films where he plays it too hard and comes off as insane - another in a series of missteps in the Wicker Man remake, for example.

I realise I'm choosing extreme examples, so I'll try and think of a method actor who is more subtle. The best I can think of right now is probably Ryan Gosling? What I'll try and think of while I sleep on it is actors who bring the sort of intensity that Pacino and Cage bring to insanity and yelling, or Gosling does to staring at stuff, to a broader range of emotions.

I went off on a slight tangent, ruminating on the state of acting nowadays when I mentioned Dance and Carlyle, however Carlyle is a method actor. Someone told me he slept rough to get into the role of a homeless person at some stage. For Kingsley, I kind of assumed he was one because of how much he throws into his roles. Some of the interviews I saw with Ray Winstone about Sexy Beast, and Kingsley's behaviour on set, led me to the conclusion that Kingsley is definitely a method actor.

I think the flaws of Nic Cage and Pacino's acting are their own particular flaws, not necessarily the flaws of their method. Both have a tendency to fall into a very familiar character groove, particularly as time has gone on. In fact due to the manner in which they tend to slip into the same character every time, there's an argument to be made for the fact that neither are the greatest at the 'method' of getting into the heads of the characters presented to them in screenplays. I do like both (Cage was among my favourites for a time), but their intensity doesn't match their versatility.

Still, I don't think you can say that DDL is 'avoiding' anything by the nature of the roles he picks. If anything, picking characters that require enormous magnetism presents a massive challenge, which he consistently lives up to only by dint of his versatility and acting chops.

I watched Drive for the first time the other day and was very impressed by Gosling. Even without much dialogue he pulled me completely into the psychology of his character.

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Nicolas Cage is the Michael Bolton of acting..

..it's just that Nic Cage's works can be stomached without loss of sanity. I like him as a person, because I think he's in on this shit and fully aware.

Method > Straight >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The actors who constantly do roles where they act as what becomes "themselves"

You know who those actors are. Are they never offered any other roles, did they piss off some big names in the industry? Michelle Rodriguez is one of these. Is she unlucky or just focusing on the money? Does she want to stick with being that powerful fivehead girl with an underbite and bad action scene stare, or would she like to move way up on the ladder and do other kinds of roles?

I love my Pacino but like people see he's really always been Pacino. Even in the Devil's Advocate, loved him in it, but it was the raging devil satan demon lord coming out in the image of Pacino. Pacino was a blind retired Lt.Col in Scent of a Woman. Pacino got into some bad shit in Scarface. I still dig him, because I like seeing Pacino doing Pacino. I can't say the same about Michelle Rodriguez doing Michelle Rodriguez.

Now, The Dark Knight? That wasn't Heath Ledger, that was the actual goddamn Joker every second in the film. As overhyped and fan-freaked the film with Heath and the Joker became, I stand for those words. He became the Joker, don't know what he was like between takes or after but that was a recent case of Method Acting godliness.

Eh, just give Leo an Academy Award already, damn.

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Well I think its a tie to me cause I see Goodfellas and Terminator2 and I find them equally good. Ones filled with method trained actors and the other is pure just fun no method(maybe Linda H) roles or anything but they both accomplish being great films.

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D: I tend to completely suspend my disbelief when watching movies so as long as the acting isn't outright bad, it doesn't really matter to me.