Do you really believe Americans are racist against Obama?

" @MikeinSC said:

" @actionTACO said:

" WHERES THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?! "

Find it odd that HI Governor said, specifically, he'd release it...and can't seem to find it. And now HI wants to charge $100 for somebody to view a public record. "

LOL damn you're a birther! They're charging $100 dollars for one because so many people keep ordering them up over and over again. Obama has released it and as far as anyone reasonable is concerned the case was closed as long time ago. The problem with brithers however is they're conspirisists and they will believe what they want no matter what proof is shown just like the people who think JKF was killed by a second gunman no matter what evidence is shown to the contrary. It doesn't make any sense because basically they have a huge wall of simple reasonable evidence but since they themselves don't like Obama they chose to believe any small thing that comes out and hook onto to it like it proves something. Same with the truthers or the people who think there was an "arab" guy at he OKC bombing. "

Wow. Stupidity truly is limitless.

I say we get Regis Philbin into office for 2012... This is the smile

HEY GUYS CHECK THIS 
 
If you say Obama, and replace the "b" with a "s" it spells out OSAMA!  OMG

""@MrKlorox said:

" @MikeinSC:  By bringing up the birth certificate, you exempted yourself from any form of debate that could possibly be considered reasonable or serious.  Oh and you're insulting MY intelligence? My, my... you're one ridiculous charade of irony aren't you? "

Of course some Americans are probably racist against him but that's just because they are bums who are just racist in general (and unfortunately people like that still exist). Anyways... aside from them I would say that people more or less are not racist against him and if they don't like him ... it's probably because they don't agree with some of the choices he made.

Making a thread about how Americans aren't racist is the best way to get some racist Americans to show up.

Any democrat was going to win that year. Obama had it in the bag once Hillary fucked up in New Hampshire. A man preaching change in the presidency and who is also African American is coincidental

" Making a thread about how Americans aren't racist is the best way to get some racist Americans to show up. "

" ""@MrKlorox said:

" @MikeinSC:  By bringing up the birth certificate, you exempted yourself from any form of debate that could possibly be considered reasonable or serious.  Oh and you're insulting MY intelligence? My, my... you're one ridiculous charade of irony aren't you? "

I didn't bring it up. ActionTaco did. Let's keep things a bit straight here. 
 
You prove that you are illiterate. Thus, you are worthy of little more than mockery. 
 
Now dance for my amusement.  
 
As a heads up --- it's not POSSIBLE to insult your intelligence.
 
@ Grilled Cheese
 
" Yeah but his signing statements aren't written up by Dick Cheney's Lawyer to say "we're not gonna fucking listen congress we'll do what we please kthx" 

 Can you provide a link to one of these signing statements that say anything closely resembling this? They discussed Bush's interpretation of the law --- as Obama's have done. If you have differing examples, feel free to provide them.
 
" As for laws, Carl Rove did a lot of smearing in your state (if SC is South Carolina). "
 
I note the lack of a broken law.
 
"  The fact he ignored legislation is breaking the law in itself, they also had some young neo conservative at the Department of Justice giving Bush the permission to do whatever he wanted wherever he wanted (making him above the law). "  You, yet again, don't point to a law being broken. You're not very good at this.  " Then there's the whole Valerie Plame ordeal where they leaked out the name and the blamed Scooter Libby. "  If by "They", you mean "Richard Armitage" who didn't do it because Bush or Cheney asked him to, then correct.   You have also still not named a law broken.  "  The Bush Administration also forced Eric Shinseki into early retirement simply because he said we needed more troops in Iraq (which we did) "  Untrue and immaterial. You've still yet to name a law broken.  Let's say what you're saying is 100% true (it's not, but hey, let's go with your inane hypothetical). Bush was the Commander in Chief. He can sack a general for any reason he so desires. That is what civilian control allows.  " but Obama later rectified his career and his benefits which he was denied. "  Can you name what benefits were denied? Feel free to do so. And Obama named him to head the VA.  " Good thing Obama supports our 4 star generals. "  He didn't seem terribly supportive of McChrystal --- who was turfed for the same reason Shinzeki was.  " Cheney was in the shelter when 9/11 happened talking about any way we could use this to attack Iraq. "  Also false, but this is a trend for you.  "  I don't know, the things I've learned (from a former top ranking historian in the CIA) about the Bush Administration kinda make me want to vomit.  "  Can you name this former top ranking historian for the CIA? Because what this person "taught" you has precious little basis in reality.  @Seriously  " Ignore Mike, he wished death on the whole Arab region.  Racist idiot.  No wonder he's commenting so heavily in this thread.  "  I didn't. But you did post that you hate black people.  And, hey, I have as proof of my claim as you have of yours.  Weird. "

As someone who leans conservative, I'm actually proud to have a black president. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, but I don't care a bit what race he is. I probably would have voted for Colin Powell if he had ever run for president.

Unrelated to the topic of the thread, but has an awesome URL -  http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/

" Unrelated to the topic of the thread, but has an awesome URL -  http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ "

"

Lots of people are racist. Some Americans are racist. Some Americans voted for Obama because he was black and some Americans voted for someone other than Obama because he was black. Many, if not most other Americans voted for Obama, or didn't, for much more justifiable reasons. I'll bet that there are some Americans who managed to base their vote on something far less important than the color of a man's skin. Diversity of opinion and motivation is found everywhere, but especially so in the Melting Pot.

As for the 2008 election: Obama won because he raised more money, he was a better campaigner, a majority of media outlets supported him, and he wasn't a Republican. There are other reasons too. His identity as a black man did influence the election, I would guess, but I cannot give an educated guess as to how.

"

" @ArchScabby said:

" What the hell are you talking about?  Some people are racist, but most aren't.  WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? "

astrotriforce is an idiot. A Christian idiot. I'm lost with the rest of the rhetoric.  "

" Making a thread about how Americans aren't racist is the best way to get some racist Americans to show up. "

" Any democrat was going to win that year. Obama had it in the bag once Hillary fucked up in New Hampshire. A man preaching change in the presidency and who is also African American is coincidental "

I'm pretty sure Obama wouldn't have been elected if he was white. Why do I think that? I've seen a bumper stickers in the college parking lot that read something like "In November 2008, I helped make history, by electing our first black president" or something like that. I think a lot of people just wanted to be part of the 'progress.' 
 
I could totally be wrong, though. McCain was fuckin' old, and agreed with Bush on everything, and Palin was a moron. I guess we'll see in 2012. 
 
Edit: @Claude:  @blueduck:

" @august said:

" Making a thread about how Americans aren't racist is the best way to get some racist Americans to show up. "

This is true lol. I'm also getting annoyed with the fact that every time astrotriforce  makes a thread it's about politics, religion or his oh so amazing question of the day! Does he even like talking about video games? "

This thread is going places.  
 
Oh wait. 
 
12 pages of pseudo-politics soon to follow.

" @blueduck said:

" @august said:

" Making a thread about how Americans aren't racist is the best way to get some racist Americans to show up. "

This is true lol. I'm also getting annoyed with the fact that every time astrotriforce  makes a thread it's about politics, religion or his oh so amazing question of the day! Does he even like talking about video games? "

Well my dayjob is to write about videogames 9-5, so can I be excused? PWEASE.   Iif you were to do a search or look at my history (I don't even know how you do it honestly), you'd find that I do post about videogames from time to time, I just posted one recently about playing EarthBound on ROM instead the 600 legit videogames I own in my ever-expanding (Just picked up Mirror's Edge) collection. "

" Unrelated to the topic of the thread, but has an awesome URL -  http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ "

" @Vito_Raliffe said:

" Unrelated to the topic of the thread, but has an awesome URL -  http://www.whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/ "

Also The OBAMAMETER. "

" As someone who leans conservative, I'm actually proud to have a black president. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, but I don't care a bit what race he is. I probably would have voted for Colin Powell if he had ever run for president. "

" I'm pretty sure Obama wouldn't have been elected if he was white. Why do I think that? I've seen a couple of bumper stickers in the college parking lot that read something like "In November 2008, I helped make history, electing our first black president" or something like that. I think a lot of people just wanted to be part of the 'progress.'   I could totally be wrong, though. I guess we'll see in 2012. "

I'll admit, my girlfriend is racist and so is her Mom. It's funny as hell because they're Mexican. It's not what they say, but how they say it. ooohhhh... some funny shit. Anyways, Obama's cool.

" @Sargus said:

" As someone who leans conservative, I'm actually proud to have a black president. Doesn't mean I agree with everything he does, but I don't care a bit what race he is. I probably would have voted for Colin Powell if he had ever run for president. "

Oh yeah me too. In fact I just told one of my friends yesterday, as much as I oppose Obama, I don't know that I'd change history. It was GOOD for us to elect an African American President, and I too am proud of that fact. But obviously I would've much preferred a Conservative to a liberal.   My PERSONAL choice for President in 08 was Condi Rice. If she would've ran I would've voted for her in a heartbeat. I probably wouldn't have voted Colin but I WOULD have if it was him vs Obama (obviously. I'm actually reading Powell's biography, An American Journey, right now ironically). I was a very big McCain supporter but I was torn between McCain or Huckabee. If Huckabee runs in 2012 I'll probably vote for him. Although we'll have to see how the lineup ultimately is.  "

Wow, some crazzzy politickin' going on round' here. Anyways, I know is my neck of the woods (WV), racism is still apparent, though only amongst the elderly and the especially influential children and grandchildren of said elderly.  

@SeriouslyNow said:

" Also The OBAMAMETER. "

It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "

" @President_Barackbar said: 

@SeriouslyNow said:

" Also The OBAMAMETER. "

It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "

PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "

 
@astrotriforce:
Sort of unrelated to skin color, but i agree with all his policies and i am glad he is the president, however i don't think he is rightfully so as Americans have demonstrated immense racism by voting the Opposite party from the one they usually do. I mean i even know some black people who agreed with Mcains policies more but support Obama. Seriously Black Americans are the most racist people on earth... i remember watching some chick(black) on tv who could barely speak, crying and saying that this was the best day of her life(inauguration), and it was just so plain and obvious this was not about politics... i just wish they kept this dramatic crap out of intellectual politics, and went and did this in melodramatic film awards or something. 
 
Maybe its time party's and presidency's stopped having a face... because this is ridiculous...

In general, no. There would be no way he got elected if that is true, but some? sure. America is filled with a lot of diverse people that includes racist people. 

Some of those bigoted, bigoted rednecks in this country might be. 
 
I, however, dislike him for different reasons; I think he's just a shitty leader, as was that moron W. We haven't had a good president in 10 years (in my opinion, at least); I think that's kind of sad :(

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "

live in the bright red states in the middle of the US,  rural country, where pickup trucks are king and people are called rednecks. ya, your find people that are racist. I know because i grew up there and had to listen to a wide range of it. Anymore its just another point to bitch about after his policies, his actions as president and his use of money, (mainly anything fox news covers)  
 
Racism is something you cant really force out of people in rural america. just something that will slowly go away though generations. its gotten better in the last decade and will keep declining.  
 
You could also made the argument whoever was running as a democrat had a better chance in the 08 election because of how the other party ran things in the last few years. 

I don't care that Barry is black he's part white too. I just don't like his red, his policies. Its not just Barry its Congress also doing their part to destroy the great USA

Some are, but there are racists in every country. Hell, some of my Chinese relatives were racist against him (as well as some of my English relatives). Definitely the whole "He's a Kenyan Muslim" thing was about race. But a lot of people hate him simply because he's a democrat. 
 
There's a lot of unreasonable hatred and mistrust on both sides, but I'd wager that it's more Partisan than Race Based. Doesn't make it any more acceptable, but that's my opinion.

yes, i do think that some americans are racist against obama. there are some people that just don't like him because he is black.

Go read any Yahoo news article's comments about Obama. You could be surprised about what anonymity would bring out in people.

If Obama was two shades darker he would not have got the Democrat nomination. A Democrat winning the election was not in question, even if they were actually African American (Obama is not) or alternatively as white as Colonel Sanders, however he would not have got the nomination had he been any darker.

I now miss the ''Virgin'' thread.

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "

I'm glad I'm not drunk enough to engage in a political "debate" on the Internet. Because...you know, those always go so well.
 
Not that I'd have much to bring to it since I'm not American. I'm mostly fascinated that someone's colour of their skin or their gender can be such a huge deal over there.

" @astrotriforce:  Your entire first post has confirmed what I had suspected from the start of your moronic "question" threads. You're nothing more than a troll.  Those idiotic polls of yours aren't being as well-received as they used to be (I'm not even sure they ever were), so what's the next logical step for a troll-in-decline such as yourself? That's right, come up with the most inflammatory thread title possible just to give yourself "a reason to keep coming back to the forums each day" or whatever bullshit excuse you keep making. Hopefully you'll be banned from posting by the time you get round to "Should American gays be sterilized because that's what O'Reilly/Hannity/Limbaugh said and I agree with him". "

we're all a little racist in someway or another already. i'll tell you though, some of things hes done and said don't particularly help black americans, and hes stirred up enough tension for many other races in other ways.

A racist is a racist. If you were a racist before of course you're going to be racist against Obama. Just because he's the President doesn't suddenly turn on the racism gene in people, making non-racists suddenly racist.

Some Americans are racist towards Obama, yes; but I'm sure none of them voted for him. I do feel, however, that he is trying to fight an uphill battle. I honestly think that he is trying to make life better for the people of the United States, but he's often blocked by the Senate. And yes, Obama does need to realize that he can't just throw a bunch of money at problems in these days (there simply isn't enough), but the opposition needs to learn that sometimes you have to invest if you want to profit.

I live in DC. There are people wearing sweatshirt's that say, "My President is black." What would happen if someone wore a sweatshirt that said, "My President is half white." Just a thought. 
 
On a serious note, claiming racism is a great way to discredit people politically.

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @President_Barackbar said: 

@SeriouslyNow said:

" Also The OBAMAMETER. "

It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "

PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "

This is usually why I stay out of these threads. I really don't have any sort of bias, I hate all politics really. I should've just shut up. "

" @President_Barackbar said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @President_Barackbar said: 

@SeriouslyNow said:

" Also The OBAMAMETER. "

It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "

PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "

This is usually why I stay out of these threads. I really don't have any sort of bias, I hate all politics really. I should've just shut up. "

See....shit like that actually makes me kinda sad...
 
People don't make any fucking sense to me anymore. Everybody wants to champion opinions so fucking hard it's become a joke where none of it means shit. No one wants to know the science or the actual facts. They just want people to sound off their completely retarded opinion which has no basis in anything other than fear and pat them on the back and let them vote.
 
No one wants to get around to actually analyzing what's going on or looking at the situation, it's all about how you "feel" when you watch whatever biased media you're wasting your time with.
 
Great job people keep it up and let them spoon feed complete garbage. OBAMA'S JUST AS BAD AS BUSH!!!! RESPECT MY OPINION
 
INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS A COMPLETELY RATIONAL ALTERNATIVE TO EVOLUTION RESPECT MY OPINION
 
Whatever, what else can I expect? 
 
And for the record people can't have a respectful political debate because there's always morons who don't do research and get enraged when you challenge them. Bias is inevitable, but when you start and end with bias your opinion is wrong.  If you want to pay attention and look at the facts and then form a bias from that, we call that an opinion worth voicing. The problem is everybody thinks they can get away with saying bullshit. "