Do you really believe Americans are racist against Obama?

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#101  Edited By Meowshi
@vidiot said:

" @Claude said:

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
Amen.
 
That entire absolute reasoning is 100% bullshit
We had over a year of back-and-forth, pre-election coverage. We had months of debates and political analysis. Then we boil it down that the only reason he won was because he was black
Give me a freaking break. That's insulting to the electorate: In general. All that run-up debating, all that campaigning, the people who worked for the candidates, the people who researched the canidates, the people who took the time to listen, the people who voted:
 
Yeah, screw all your reasons you did vote for Obama. Screw all your reasons why you didn't vote for Obama.  
Crap, forget McCain's decision to bring on Palin: He won because he was black. That's it.
It's not like black people were going to vote for McCain in overwhelming numbers.  It's actually hilarious to me how much the Republican party has done to ensure that they never carry the black vote, despite the very religious nature of the black community.  Remember how much people were bringing up the fact that he once opposed MLK day?  
 
Chris Rock had a great set when he basically pointed out the inherit racism behind the claim that white people voted for Obama because of his policies and slogan for change, but black people voted for him because their ballots said nothing but "chocolate" and "vanilla".  "Oh he look like me!"
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#102  Edited By l4wd0g
@Meowshi said:
" @vidiot said:

" @Claude said:

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
Amen.
 
That entire absolute reasoning is 100% bullshit
We had over a year of back-and-forth, pre-election coverage. We had months of debates and political analysis. Then we boil it down that the only reason he won was because he was black
Give me a freaking break. That's insulting to the electorate: In general. All that run-up debating, all that campaigning, the people who worked for the candidates, the people who researched the canidates, the people who took the time to listen, the people who voted:
 
Yeah, screw all your reasons you did vote for Obama. Screw all your reasons why you didn't vote for Obama.  
Crap, forget McCain's decision to bring on Palin: He won because he was black. That's it.
It's not like black people were going to vote for McCain in overwhelming numbers.  It's actually hilarious to me how much the Republican party has done to ensure that they never carry the black vote, despite the very religious nature of the black community.  Remember how much people were bringing up the fact that he once opposed MLK day?    Chris Rock had a great set when he basically pointed out the inherit racism behind the claim that white people voted for Obama because of his policies and slogan for change, but black people voted for him because their ballots said nothing but "chocolate" and "vanilla".  "Oh he look like me!" "
Blacks voted republican up until around the time of FDR's  New Deal. 
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#103  Edited By SeriouslyNow
@Doctorchimp said:
" @President_Barackbar said:
" @SeriouslyNow said:
" @President_Barackbar said: 
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Also The OBAMAMETER. "
It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "
PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "
This is usually why I stay out of these threads. I really don't have any sort of bias, I hate all politics really. I should've just shut up. "

See....shit like that actually makes me kinda sad...
 
People don't make any fucking sense to me anymore. Everybody wants to champion opinions so fucking hard it's become a joke where none of it means shit. No one wants to know the science or the actual facts. They just want people to sound off their completely retarded opinion which has no basis in anything other than fear and pat them on the back and let them vote.
 
No one wants to get around to actually analyzing what's going on or looking at the situation, it's all about how you "feel" when you watch whatever biased media you're wasting your time with.
 
Great job people keep it up and let them spoon feed complete garbage. OBAMA'S JUST AS BAD AS BUSH!!!! RESPECT MY OPINION
 
INTELLIGENT DESIGN IS A COMPLETELY RATIONAL ALTERNATIVE TO EVOLUTION RESPECT MY OPINION
 
Whatever, what else can I expect? 
 
And for the record people can't have a respectful political debate because there's always morons who don't do research and get enraged when you challenge them. Bias is inevitable, but when you start and end with bias your opinion is wrong.  If you want to pay attention and look at the facts and then form a bias from that, we call that an opinion worth voicing. The problem is everybody thinks they can get away with saying bullshit. "
Idiocracy isn't far away. :/
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#104  Edited By Meowshi

@ l4wd0
 
What's your point?

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#105  Edited By GunnBjorn
@MikeinSC: 
 
I didn't like Bush one bit, but I must admit he was a way more frugal President. That might be because of his conservatory roots.
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While I realize that the thread is about racism in general and not what Rep.  Moran said I would still like to point out that he doesn't claim that "all the Conservatives and Tea Party members nowadays are uneasy because Obama is black." when he was asked about the midterm elections by an Alhurra News reporter.  Here's what Rep. Moran said:  
 
"[The Democratic midterm loses] happened ... for the same reason the Civil War happened in the United States.  Southern states, particularly the slaveholding states, didn't want to see a president who was opposed to slavery. In this case a lot of people in this country, it's my belief, don't want to be governed by an African-American, particularly one who is inclusive, who is liberal, who wants to spend moneyon everyone and who wants to reach out to include everyone in our society. And that's a basic philosophical clash," 

He was saying that racist sentiment caused a greater voter turnout for conservative candidates than would of occurred otherwise and that this was what allowed the Republicans to take the seats that they did.  It wasn't a blanket statement about conservatives, it was a statement about how he believes that some of the people who voted conservative did so because of racism.  He does appear to be claiming that all racists are Republican though.   I have no idea whether or not his assertions are correct.
 
On a side note:  If you're going to complain about people making generalizations about an opposing political party it's a bit hypocritical when you then go on to make generalizations about an opposing political party, "btw I can almost assure you most liberals would say Bush was a BAD person"

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#107  Edited By Scooper

I believe most Americans will believe absolutely anything if it's told to them with enough confidence.

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#108  Edited By ryanwho

The majority of voting America voted him in, problem is a lot of young people who voted that day stopped giving a shit the moment he got in office.

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#109  Edited By ryanwho
@termlesshalo said:

" @Claude said:

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
Agree. But I also heard there is not a lot of support for him in the next elections. "
Probably because he fell way short of his rhetoric. He hasn't been very competent, Hillary probably would have been more competent, so if they have a candidate they know can deliver in the wings, its entirely possible they drop support for someone who does little more than talk. We shouldn't live in a system where people only feel compelled to do their job during a lame duck session that exists because they weren't doing their job for 2 years. Its fucking stupid.
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#110  Edited By zityz

Well just be thankful you guys have a black president and not an android or cyborg president.   Think about it.....

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#111  Edited By ninjakiller

25% are out and proud racist towards Obama.  Another 25% or so are either passively racist or simply just old-fashionedly ignorant.   
 
 
My parent's generation are an example I'll use.  A couple of my uncles are flat-out racists who will use the n word when talking about Obama and say horrible and derogatory things about all African-Americans.  Then there's my parents, both older than dirt, and won't bat an eye when they say something like, "Did you see that colored couple at the supermarket?"  Now, some people might call that being racist, but I've never heard either parent say anything derogatory about African Americans, they're just from the generation where saying "colored" was acceptable and wasn't racist at all because you weren't using the n word.   
 
 
To those saying they aren't out there, you're just not looking.  
 
 
 
 
 
@l4wd0g said:

" @Meowshi said:
" @vidiot said:

" @Claude said:

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
Amen.
 
That entire absolute reasoning is 100% bullshit
We had over a year of back-and-forth, pre-election coverage. We had months of debates and political analysis. Then we boil it down that the only reason he won was because he was black
Give me a freaking break. That's insulting to the electorate: In general. All that run-up debating, all that campaigning, the people who worked for the candidates, the people who researched the canidates, the people who took the time to listen, the people who voted:
 
Yeah, screw all your reasons you did vote for Obama. Screw all your reasons why you didn't vote for Obama.  
Crap, forget McCain's decision to bring on Palin: He won because he was black. That's it.
It's not like black people were going to vote for McCain in overwhelming numbers.  It's actually hilarious to me how much the Republican party has done to ensure that they never carry the black vote, despite the very religious nature of the black community.  Remember how much people were bringing up the fact that he once opposed MLK day?    Chris Rock had a great set when he basically pointed out the inherit racism behind the claim that white people voted for Obama because of his policies and slogan for change, but black people voted for him because their ballots said nothing but "chocolate" and "vanilla".  "Oh he look like me!" "
Blacks voted republican up until around the time of FDR's  New Deal.  "
They had the Lincoln card.  
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#112  Edited By MikeinSC
@SeriouslyNow said:
" @President_Barackbar said: 
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Also The OBAMAMETER. "
It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "
PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "
Politifact?
 
BWA HA HA.
 
Nobody takes that site seriously. Nothing more than opinion site. 
 
Sorry if you buy their nonsense.
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#113  Edited By Skytylz

Of course some are, but that's not the reason a majority of the people don't like him for.

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#114  Edited By SeriouslyNow
@MikeinSC said:
" @SeriouslyNow said:
" @President_Barackbar said: 
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Also The OBAMAMETER. "
It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "
PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "
Politifact?  BWA HA HA.  Nobody takes that site seriously. Nothing more than opinion site.   Sorry if you buy their nonsense. "
You mean no right wing opinionated idiot like you takes it seriously.  Where's your Pulitzer prize for research based journalism oh expert?  Nowhere.  Like the rest of your right wing racist rhetoric.  You are everything that's wrong with America.
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#115  Edited By onarum

North americans are racist against everyone

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#116  Edited By ryanwho
@ninjakiller said:
" 25% are out and proud racist towards Obama.  Another 25% or so are either passively racist or simply just old-fashionedly ignorant.  "
This is the part of the thread where we all bend over and pull out some statistics.
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#117  Edited By Jimbo

The racism for and against Obama probably evens itself out tbh.  He did apparently get ~95% of the 'Black Vote', but the only figures I can find suggest that the Democrats were already getting 80-90% in previous elections anyway.  Even if you assume that bump is exclusively down to racism, I guess that still only accounts for a 1 or 2 percentage point shift in terms of the overall popular vote result.  
 
How you would try and quantify the effect of pro-black racism from non-black voters (people wanting to 'make history' or whatever) I have no idea  -and that may well have been a significant factor in the election- but on these figures it doesn't seem like pro-black racism from black voters can account for anything like the 7 pp Obama won by the popular vote by.  It's also not unreasonable to suggest that anti-black racism amongst the (much larger) non-black vote may have accounted for at least a similar 1 or 2 pp in the opposite direction.
 
It still seems odd to me how an election where race was such a significant issue, was vaunted and celebrated as a victory against racism just because the result came out the 'right' way.  Sure, it may have (arguably) broken the 'glass ceiling' for black people (in that Obama is arguably 'black'), but the 2008 Presidential Election is not what victory against racism looks like.  Victory looks like an election where race of the candidates doesn't even warrant discussion, and where there is no 'black vote' or 'white vote'.  Ironically, this celebration won't truly be justified until we no longer even consider it an issue worth celebrating.

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#118  Edited By ThanatosXRS

I'm racist but like Obama, maybe I'm a fake racist not only that he's half white although he's wife seem like a bitch.

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#119  Edited By MikeinSC
@SeriouslyNow said:

" @MikeinSC said:

" @SeriouslyNow said:

" @President_Barackbar said: 
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Also The OBAMAMETER. "
It's shit like this that makes me realize why we can't have decent political discussion threads. Also, this thread was started with an OBVIOUS right wing bias (O'Reily being referenced). "
PolitiFACT means we can't have decent political discussion threads?  It's basis is purely in FACT, not crap-laiden opinion.  I guess some facts are just too factual for your opinions to counter to have a discussion right?  Right. "
Politifact?  BWA HA HA.  Nobody takes that site seriously. Nothing more than opinion site.   Sorry if you buy their nonsense. "
You mean no right wing opinionated idiot like you takes it seriously.  Where's your Pulitzer prize for research based journalism oh expert?  Nowhere.  Like the rest of your right wing racist rhetoric.  You are everything that's wrong with America. "
No, nobody actually takes them seriously. They are a notoriously hacky site. Heck, let's look at their 2010 Lie of the year. "Government is taking over health care"
 
I'll quote noted progressive Michael Kinsley:
 
" If the government requires insurers to accept all customers and charge all the same price, regulates all aspects of their marketing to make sure they aren’t discriminating, and then redistributes the profits to make sure that no company gets penalized unfairly, in what sense is the industry still “private”? "
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/06/AR2009080602934.html 
 
They noted that Obamacare lacks a government-run plan --- yet the majority of the coverage expansion is by sticking 16M in Medicare, which is government run.
 
They cited Princeton University Uwe Reinhardt --- without noting that he also donated $2,300 to Obama. 
 
They cited Johnathan Oberlander, who they call a professor of health care policy at UNC-Chapel Hill. He happens to be a Political Scientist --- not an expert on health care. Just somebody who writes about it frequently. 
 
They cited Maggie Mahar --- an English major. Not exactly a legion of qualified or impartial sources. She's also a member of the progressive  Century Foundation --- which I don't think is relevant, but since they dismiss any analysis from the Heritage Foundation or Cato Institute due to being "conservative", it seems awfully inconsistent.
 
So, a difference of opinion is a "lie" to them. And we should take those clowns seriously?
 
And the Pulitzer? Oooh. I bet nobody ever won that inventing stories or denying reality (Duranty won it for accurate reporting, didn't he?)
 
I am everything that's wrong with America? Amazing. That sounds like hateful rhetoric. Shouldn't you be stopping that type of stuff? Or are you admitting that the Left's desire for "civility" was so much bullshit?
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#120  Edited By SeriouslyNow

Fox News tried to make race it into an issue to stir up racist sentiment, both against Blacks and Arab Muslims (Hussein capitalised as their catch cry).  The reason such sentiment can be stirred at all is due to the fact that there is a significant portion of America (let alone the world at large) which is still strongly racist. 

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#121  Edited By VisariLoyalist

The majority aren't it's just painfully obvious that republicans often pander to that minority. Kind of like how democrats pander to racial minorities.

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#122  Edited By Fajita_Jim

I came back from a few months in South Carolina two months ago, and honestly more than once, when discussing government, someone (white, rednecks) had to throw in "ain't gonna get any better with a n***** in the white house".
 
So yes, some Americans are racist against Obama. I voted for him and plan to do so again.

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#123  Edited By KarlPilkington

More like NObama.

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#124  Edited By Fajita_Jim
@Chabbs0 said:
" More like NObama. "
Did you make that up all by yourself? /pinches cheek
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#125  Edited By KarlPilkington
@Fajita_Jim said:
" @Chabbs0 said:
" More like NObama. "
Did you make that up all by yourself? /pinches cheek "
I just post that in every Obama related post ironically for some reason. Seem to be doing it a lot lately.
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#126  Edited By monkeyking1969

American are not only racist they are the worst kind...they kind that try to hide it by saying the right things but actually believe the garbage they are feed by more talkative racist in our society.  At best you could argue we are merely bigots that show an obstinately or intolerantly devoted to their own beliefs, opinions, prejudices; especially one exhibiting intolerance or animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

So is American a nation of racists?  Maybe not, but that just means we are bigots.    

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#127  Edited By Where_Am_I
@MonkeyKing1969 said:
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American are not only racist they are the worst kind...they kind that try to hide it by saying the right things but actually believe the garbage they are feed by more talkative racist in our society.  At best you could argue we are merely bigots that show an obstinately or intolerantly devoted to their own beliefs, opinions, prejudices; especially one exhibiting intolerance or animosity toward those of differing beliefs.

So is American a nation of racists?  Maybe not, but that just means we are bigots.    

"
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#128  Edited By natetodamax

Yep. Americans are racist against Obama. That's why he's our President.

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#129  Edited By Where_Am_I
@natetodamax said:

" Yep. Americans are racist against Obama. That's why he's our President. "

Are you one of those 
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people? e?
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#130  Edited By nickux

Of course not every Republican is  a racist and not every person who dislikes Obama does so because he's black. Anybody who says otherwise is being juvenile and, just as every Republican isn't racist, not every liberal thinks they are. 
However, phrases like "black favoritism" and saying he would not have won if he was white. Well, that strikes me as a bit racist. I'm sorry, you explained how you feel and that's my involuntary response it can't be helped. It undermines the message he conveyed during the campaign and cheapens the vote I cast. It also implies that people wanted McCain and we just don't know that that's true. That's not a fact and we'll never know. I think people were fed up with the failing policies of the GOP that, let's not forget, had at the time thrown us INTO a recession. Holy shit there's just so much to your post I want to write about but I find I'm unable to muster the energy to dredge all this up.  
 
 (Please note: I am not saying this about you or anybody in this forum specifically. As I write this I am thinking of people I know in my personal life. So please don't take this as an attack on YOU the reader. If I say something like "I feel like some people" I am thinking of people I know, not a general group of which I have no knowledge.)   
 
While I don't think every Republican is a racist, I do think the policies of the GOP, especially of the last ten years, have veered into a bizarre direction where the attitude is "fuck everybody else I only care about myself." That no good can come from helping others by paying taxes or endorsing programs that give assistance not being as important as the all mighty dollar. It angers me that so many people complain about taxes yet we all take advantage of the things they pay for! I actually had a woman I know who is a teacher (salary paid for with tax payer's money, by the way) tell me she's sick of the kids in her school getting a free lunch. She said she's tired of Obama making her pay for those kids to have a free lunch. I don't know about you or her but I am proud to live in a country where a kid can go to school and not go hungry! I feel like a lot of people I know who dislike Obama are unable to cite actual, specific reasons why. They hear on Fox News that Obama is taking their money, he's a socialist, and Michelle Bachmann bizarrely says something about people telling you which light bulbs to use. What the fuck was that about by the way? What she was implying was, I guess, she's tired of hearing about climate change and being hassled to use energy efficient light bulbs. That's a guess though, her insane ramblings were hard to decipher. On that note, I wish I could ask her,  when did it become American or patriotic to adopt this attitude of, I don't care what science and logic tells me about climate change, I'm not going to adjust the way I live my life to better the rest of the world? But that's a whole other topic. Shit, this got way off-track. Oh well, back to Dead Space 2. I have to remind myself this is a video game forum. 
 
I always appreciate civil debate so I hope I contributed appropriately. 

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#131  Edited By Where_Am_I
@nickux said:
" Of course not every Republican is  a racist and not every person who dislikes Obama does so because he's black. Anybody who says otherwise is being juvenile and, just as every Republican isn't racist, not every liberal thinks they are. 
However, phrases like "black favoritism" and saying he would not have won if he was white. Well, that strikes me as a bit racist. I'm sorry, you explained how you feel and that's my involuntary response it can't be helped. It undermines the message he conveyed during the campaign and cheapens the vote I cast. It also implies that people wanted McCain and we just don't know that that's true. That's not a fact and we'll never know. I think people were fed up with the failing policies of the GOP that, let's not forget, had at the time thrown us INTO a recession. Holy shit there's just so much to your post I want to write about but I find I'm unable to muster the energy to dredge all this up.  
 
 (Please note: I am not saying this about you or anybody in this forum specifically. As I write this I am thinking of people I know in my personal life. So please don't take this as an attack on YOU the reader. If I say something like "I feel like some people" I am thinking of people I know, not a general group of which I have no knowledge.)   
 
While I don't think every Republican is a racist, I do think the policies of the GOP, especially of the last ten years, have veered into a bizarre direction where the attitude is "fuck everybody else I only care about myself." That no good can come from helping others by paying taxes or endorsing programs that give assistance not being as important as the all mighty dollar. It angers me that so many people complain about taxes yet we all take advantage of the things they pay for! I actually had a woman I know who is a teacher (salary paid for with tax payer's money, by the way) tell me she's sick of the kids in her school getting a free lunch. She said she's tired of Obama making her pay for those kids to have a free lunch. I don't know about you or her but I am proud to live in a country where a kid can go to school and not go hungry! I feel like a lot of people I know who dislike Obama are unable to cite actual, specific reasons why. They hear on Fox News that Obama is taking their money, he's a socialist, and Michelle Bachmann bizarrely says something about people telling you which light bulbs to use. What the fuck was that about by the way? What she was implying was, I guess, she's tired of hearing about climate change and being hassled to use energy efficient light bulbs. That's a guess though, her insane ramblings were hard to decipher. On that note, I wish I could ask her,  when did it become American or patriotic to adopt this attitude of, I don't care what science and logic tells me about climate change, I'm not going to adjust the way I live my life to better the rest of the world? But that's a whole other topic. Shit, this got way off-track. Oh well, back to Dead Space 2. I have to remind myself this is a video game forum.  I always appreciate civil debate so I hope I contributed appropriately.  "
You're racist.
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#132  Edited By russianblue8181

Some are racist against him, because some people are racist in general.  I will say that, because of Obama's name, and, likely, because of his skin color, he's classified as an "other."  He's not like "us."  He's a "foreign entity."  If he were white, and born in Hawaii under the same circumstances (father from a foreign country, American mother), there would be no fringe "birther" movement, and people also wouldn't accuse him of being "secretly Muslim" or other such nonsense.  People say things that they'd never say about any other President because of his name and how he looks. 
 
That being said, I like the President and the vast majority of his policies.  Many of you likely don't like him because of what you *think* his policies are, certainly not because he's black.  But hey, there's always been a quiet racism in America, but, as the author of the initial post pointed out, white fans cheer black athletes.  Still, I guarantee you that a lower-middle class man will happily cheer for a black man to score a touch down, but they'd be far less likely to be okay with one dating their daughter.

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#133  Edited By AlexW00d

Anyone that even takes into consideration his skin colour is a racist. Who cares what he looks like, just as long as he is qualified for his job.

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#134  Edited By Burzmali

Any time that someone thinks he is a Muslim, that's racism. "(internally) His skin color is different from mine. (out loud) He must believe differently than I do." 
 
Every time his birth certificate and citizenship is called into question, but the certificate/citizenship of the white guy who ran against him (who was actually born outside of the country) goes unquestioned, that's racism. 
 
There are a lot of degrees of racism. Yes, I know that some Americans are racist when it comes to Obama.

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#135  Edited By MysteriousBob

If I keep insulting people, I'm going to get banned. 
 
So instead, everytime I'm at a loss for words, I'll just post a video that sums up my opinion on the topic. 
  
  

   

Its not spam, its censorship.
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#136  Edited By TheGreatGuero
@Claude said:

"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "

Look, don't get me wrong here, I probably would have voted for the guy myself if I had voted. However, it was said after the election that it was the biggest turn out of black voters in American history, and 95% of them voted for Obama. No disrespect to the guy whatsoever, but I think black pride undoubtedly helped him out. On the other hand, I'm sure there were also a lot of people voting against him solely because he's black. I know a few such ignorant people.
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#137  Edited By damnboyadvance
@MikeinSC said:
" @Claude said:
"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
What vision did he have?  "Hope and Change" isn't a vision. It's an empty slogan.  His Presidency has just reiterated his utter lack of a vision. "
I have to say that his empty slogan and skin color was enough to win a good chunk of voters over. It's hard to say that his skin color had nothing to do with who people voted for. (Some white people probably voted against him because of it, but even more black people voted for him mainly because he is black)
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#138  Edited By Meowshi
@Fajita_Jim said:
" I came back from a few months in South Carolina two months ago, and honestly more than once, when discussing government, someone (white, rednecks) had to throw in "ain't gonna get any better with a n***** in the white house".
 
So yes, some Americans are racist against Obama. I voted for him and plan to do so again.     
Yeah I'm from Greenville, and I know exactly what you're talking about.   
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#139  Edited By Meowshi
@damnboyadvance said:
" @MikeinSC said:
" @Claude said:
"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
What vision did he have?  "Hope and Change" isn't a vision. It's an empty slogan.  His Presidency has just reiterated his utter lack of a vision. "
I have to say that his empty slogan and skin color was enough to win a good chunk of voters over. It's hard to say that his skin color had nothing to do with who people voted for. (Some white people probably voted against him because of it, but even more black people voted for him mainly because he is black) "
Yeah, I don't even know why he bothered explaining his campaign platform.  Once we saw that his skin was darker than McCain's, our decision was made.  The DNC could have honestly put Flavor Flav up for the election and we would have voted for him.  Finally, someone who understands us! You certainly have your finger on the pulse of the African-American community my friend.  
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#140  Edited By kishan6

Im from the US and think its kinda fucking ridiculous that some people are still racist... 
but ya i have only met one person who hates obama just cus he's half black.

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#141  Edited By damnboyadvance
@Meowshi said:
" @damnboyadvance said:
" @MikeinSC said:
" @Claude said:
"  that Obama would NOT have won if it weren't BECAUSE OF his skin color.    That's just stupid. A majority of the US Electorate voted for the man and his vision. He was the better politician. Skin color had nothing to do with it. "
What vision did he have?  "Hope and Change" isn't a vision. It's an empty slogan.  His Presidency has just reiterated his utter lack of a vision. "
I have to say that his empty slogan and skin color was enough to win a good chunk of voters over. It's hard to say that his skin color had nothing to do with who people voted for. (Some white people probably voted against him because of it, but even more black people voted for him mainly because he is black) "
Yeah, I don't even know why he bothered explaining his campaign platform.  Once we saw that his skin was darker than McCain's, our decision was made.  The DNC could have honestly put Flavor Flav up for the election and we would have voted for him.  Finally, someone who understands us! You certainly have your finger on the pulse of the African-American community my friend.   "

Unfortunately, that's how some made their decision. I'm not saying all blacks made their decision like that.
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#142  Edited By Trifork89
@fwylo said:
"Canada ftw. "


I don't know man.. I live in Alberta and there's plenty of digusting, racist folk here...
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#143  Edited By MikeinSC
@SeriouslyNow said:
" Fox News tried to make race it into an issue to stir up racist sentiment, both against Blacks and Arab Muslims (Hussein capitalised as their catch cry).  The reason such sentiment can be stirred at all is due to the fact that there is a significant portion of America (let alone the world at large) which is still strongly racist.  "
When did FNC make race an issue? An actual example would be nice. Noting that the President has a middle name is hardly evidence of bigotry. You're aware that a name is SUPPOSED to be capitalized, I'd hope.
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#144  Edited By Meowshi

I honestly wonder how things would have turned out if Hilary was President now.

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#145  Edited By MikeinSC
@Fajita_Jim said:

" I came back from a few months in South Carolina two months ago, and honestly more than once, when discussing government, someone (white, rednecks) had to throw in "ain't gonna get any better with a n***** in the white house".
 
So yes, some Americans are racist against Obama. I voted for him and plan to do so again. "

I'm endlessly amazed that progressives often meet racists when talking to average people.
 
I've not met a soul here who referred to him as the n word. But, hey, I only live here and wasn't passing through briefly, so I bet you know WAY more people here...
 
Edit: To be blunt, I've not seen racism that matches what I saw when I lived in the NJ/NY Metro area for a few years here.
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#146  Edited By MikeinSC
@Meowshi said:
" I honestly wonder how things would have turned out if Hilary was President now. "
She hasn't been impressive as Sec of State thus far.
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#147  Edited By Meowshi

My anecdotal evidence is better than your anecdotal evidence! 
 
No my anecdotal evidence is better than your anecdotal evidence!

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#148  Edited By xen0

Racism still exists.  It may be more hidden today, but rest assured, it exists.  Having gone door-to-door in '09, I've spoken to MANY average house folk.  You'd be surprised how much you can learn about people once they've let you in their comfort zone - that being their home.  Because I'm white, the racist white consumers would automatically assume I was racist just like them, and start breaking out slurs and colloquialisms like they spoke it every day.  Just because you travel through town, and come across people acting civil, you can't rule them out.  They're doing just that: being civil.  Become friends and it's a whole new world. 
 
I'm not saying everyone is this way, but to say racism isn't an issue anymore on the simple basis that it's not typically open for public discussion is severely naive. 
Racism will never go away BECAUSE we are all visually different, and it will ALWAYS be an issue until either: a) we are all the same color, or b) when human beings stop being so goddamn judgmental and just ACCEPT our idiosyncrasies. 
 
 Answering OP's question - so many previous comments already nit the nail on the head, so I will just add that there is no such thing as black or white. (no pun intended) 
Right/wrong all comes down to a matter of perspective, so depending on your angle, you're all right AND wrong. :p

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#149  Edited By Cincaid

People who don't have the same skincolor as yourself are scary. Not to mention people who don't share your views.

In summary: people are fucking idiots. Especially on the Internet.

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#150  Edited By Levio

I disagree with everything said so far.  Consider what  Thomas Jefferson once said:
 
  A coward is much more exposed to quarrels than a man of spirit. 
Thomas Jefferson 

A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks. 
Thomas Jefferson 

A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Advertisements contain the only truths to be relied on in a newspaper. 
Thomas Jefferson 

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. 
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All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Always take hold of things by the smooth handle. 
Thomas Jefferson 

An association of men who will not quarrel with one another is a thing which has never yet existed, from the greatest confederacy of nations down to a town meeting or a vestry. 
Thomas Jefferson 

An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. 
Thomas Jefferson 

An injured friend is the bitterest of foes. 
Thomas Jefferson 

As our enemies have found we can reason like men, so now let us show them we can fight like men also. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Be polite to all, but intimate with few. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Bodily decay is gloomy in prospect, but of all human contemplations the most abhorrent is body without mind. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Books constitute capital. A library book lasts as long as a house, for hundreds of years. It is not, then, an article of mere consumption but fairly of capital, and often in the case of professional men, setting out in life, it is their only capital. 
Thomas Jefferson 

But friendship is precious, not only in the shade, but in the sunshine of life, and thanks to a benevolent arrangement the greater part of life is sunshine. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Delay is preferable to error. 
Thomas Jefferson 

Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition. 
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