Dude, they get paid well under minimum wage in a lot of places because of tips. If you don't tip they cant make their living.
Do you think the act of tipping is strange?
I tip and I have no problem with it.
The servers or whoever you're tipping usually don't make a whole lot and the "tipping" aspect of their job is a large percentage of their income.
" @RJay_64: Never worked in the service industry have ya? It varies between states but for example I get paid $2.15 an hour. You tell me if you think I could pay my bills on that salary without getting tipped. "I've discussed with my manager on a few occasions how the United States should have 2 years of customary work in the food industry in the way that some countries have customary military service.
Oh the humble attitudes that would flood the American consciousness
" @RJay_64: Never worked in the service industry have ya? It varies between states but for example I get paid $2.15 an hour. You tell me if you think I could pay my bills on that salary without getting tipped. "::opens up bottle of Grey Poupon::
No sir, I have not. Now if you'll excuse me....I have to call my maid to make sure she gets the right meat for my dinner.
I always tip, with that being said I can't stand when service people whine when not being tipped. Job doesn't pay enough? Get a better fucking job. Or get your place of employment to include it in the bill automatically. Shut the f up bitter service workers. It's not the general public's fault that your pay blows.
When I visit Japan it's refreshing to know that what I am paying is what I am paying. Places will either include an extra fee in the bill, or nothing at all.
You don't understand the industry. I also don't know anyone who acts that way." I always tip, with that being said I can't stand when service people whine when not being tipped. Job doesn't pay enough? Get a better fucking job. Or get your place of employment to include it in the bill automatically. Shut the f up bitter service workers. It's not the general public's fault that your pay blows. When I visit Japan it's refreshing to know that what I am paying is what I am paying. Places will either include an extra fee in the bill, or nothing at all. "
Edit: I should say that I don't know anyone who understandably acts that way.
Yes. I only tip if it's a very small business/family owned or if they probably don't get a lot of customers. Most importantly never tip teenagers.
The only thing that pisses me off is when you have a "gratuity" that's added to your bill.
Please look up the definition of gratuity if you don't see why that's retarded.
Specifically, how the only Pizza joint that delivers in this area mandatorily charges you for "tipping" the driver.
" Having worked in the service industry at a job where we weren't allowed to accept tips, it's kind of a bummer that certain other jobs in the same industry are not just allowed, but expected to receive tips when their jobs are less stressful and involving than mine was and they're paid similarly. The general argument most make in favor of tipping is that, "These people are on their feet all day, get minimum wage, deal with rude customers. Poor them." But the same can be said of so many other jobs where the workers do NOT receive tips and work just as hard if not more so, dealing with annoying customers, taking orders, even preparing meals themselves; not just serving them all while staying on their feet and being paid the same base wage. (That said, I still tip servers at restaurants >.> I actually tend to over-tip.) "I work at Subway and im on my feet all day and have to deal with rude people all day. Tip me
Short Version: I tip 15% unless the waiter really doesn't do his job.
The reason you pay your waiter/waitress/bartender a tip is because they don't get paid much without it. The minimum wage for this kind of position is in the realm of $2 or $3 an hour, and they are often required to pay taxes as though they were tipped 15%. Some companies even find questionably legal ways to require documentation to look like a waiter/waitress was tipped when they were not; one waitress I spoke to complained that her manager had the system programmed so that any tip value under 15% of a purchase was not accepted by the computer, which necessarily required the waitress to always enter a value of 15% or more regardless of the actual tip.
For many of these employees in the United States, they work as waiters and waitresses because they don't have the ability at the time to get a better paying job (though a good, charismatic wait-staff employee is capable of earning large sums of money, in an expensive restaurant).
In short, when you visit the US or live here, you should usually leave a tip. I've gotten flack for tipping "based on service"; I use 15% as my baseline for "The server did their job but did nothing special". I usually do up to 20%, for a better-than-average job. In extreme cases, I'll skip on the tip (I once had a waitress call my date fat on Valentine's Day; on another occasion, the waiter spent 30 minutes after I ran out of tea chatting with the staff in plain view, until my dinner partner got mad enough to get me the tea themselves - which you are not supposed to do).
As a point of trivia, it is rude to leave a tip in Japan, and the employee will return your money to you if you try. It implies they are not paid enough if you leave them a tip; in America, we really don't pay the employees well enough, so it's not rude.
I don't get tipped for cleaning up fitting rooms after people, asking them if they need help around the store and all that retail business but one can't be bitter, it's just how it is in the restaurant business waiters/waitresses might make less because of their tips so in some cases it evens out. The opening scene of Reservoir Dogs always makes me wince at the idea of it though lol :p Being a waiter is the last part time job I'de want, I give them credit for what they do!
" Always tip, those waitresses get paid shit, they make their living on their tip. I always tip AT LEAST 30% "This is true.
"Still, why should their money woes be my problem? There are lots of people that need help. There are countless homeless people on the street who can't even find jobs. Where does it end?Short Version: I tip 15% unless the waiter really doesn't do his job.
The reason you pay your waiter/waitress/bartender a tip is because they don't get paid much without it. The minimum wage for this kind of position is in the realm of $2 or $3 an hour, and they are often required to pay taxes as though they were tipped 15%. Some companies even find questionably legal ways to require documentation to look like a waiter/waitress was tipped when they were not; one waitress I spoke to complained that her manager had the system programmed so that any tip value under 15% of a purchase was not accepted by the computer, which necessarily required the waitress to always enter a value of 15% or more regardless of the actual tip.
For many of these employees in the United States, they work as waiters and waitresses because they don't have the ability at the time to get a better paying job (though a good, charismatic wait-staff employee is capable of earning large sums of money, in an expensive restaurant).
In short, when you visit the US or live here, you should usually leave a tip. I've gotten flack for tipping "based on service"; I use 15% as my baseline for "The server did their job but did nothing special". I usually do up to 20%, for a better-than-average job. In extreme cases, I'll skip on the tip (I once had a waitress call my date fat on Valentine's Day; on another occasion, the waiter spent 30 minutes after I ran out of tea chatting with the staff in plain view, until my dinner partner got mad enough to get me the tea themselves - which you are not supposed to do).
As a point of trivia, it is rude to leave a tip in Japan, and the employee will return your money to you if you try. It implies they are not paid enough if you leave them a tip; in America, we really don't pay the employees well enough, so it's not rude.
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They get paid shit because it is expected that they get tipped on top of it. They get paid less because they are supposed to get tips. It's not like they're getting paid well, plus expecting tips. Tips are their income. Period.
Cheap fucks.
Of course you can do whatever you want. It's not a law or anything.
" @DragonBloodthirsty said:That homeless person didn't serve you your dinner. Those waitresses are actually working and should be paid for it (just like any work), it just so happens that in that line of work that pay comes from tips."Still, why should their money woes be my problem? There are lots of people that need help. There are countless homeless people on the street who can't even find jobs. Where does it end? "Short Version: I tip 15% unless the waiter really doesn't do his job.
The reason you pay your waiter/waitress/bartender a tip is because they don't get paid much without it. The minimum wage for this kind of position is in the realm of $2 or $3 an hour, and they are often required to pay taxes as though they were tipped 15%. Some companies even find questionably legal ways to require documentation to look like a waiter/waitress was tipped when they were not; one waitress I spoke to complained that her manager had the system programmed so that any tip value under 15% of a purchase was not accepted by the computer, which necessarily required the waitress to always enter a value of 15% or more regardless of the actual tip.
For many of these employees in the United States, they work as waiters and waitresses because they don't have the ability at the time to get a better paying job (though a good, charismatic wait-staff employee is capable of earning large sums of money, in an expensive restaurant).
In short, when you visit the US or live here, you should usually leave a tip. I've gotten flack for tipping "based on service"; I use 15% as my baseline for "The server did their job but did nothing special". I usually do up to 20%, for a better-than-average job. In extreme cases, I'll skip on the tip (I once had a waitress call my date fat on Valentine's Day; on another occasion, the waiter spent 30 minutes after I ran out of tea chatting with the staff in plain view, until my dinner partner got mad enough to get me the tea themselves - which you are not supposed to do).
As a point of trivia, it is rude to leave a tip in Japan, and the employee will return your money to you if you try. It implies they are not paid enough if you leave them a tip; in America, we really don't pay the employees well enough, so it's not rude.
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" Jesus Christ Ray, it's two dollars. If you willing eat at a place that you know underpays their employees, then you should do the customary thing and tip. Otherwise, you shouldn't eat there. Honestly, if your so bothered by tipping underpaid people who serve you food and drink like some sort of Medieval bar wench, then I seriously doubt you give two shits about the "countless homeless people". Of course you can do whatever you want. It's not a law or anything. "Actually, I do care about the homeless. I just realize I can't help everyone. If it were up to me, everyone would have free health care.
The only time it is is awkward is when you tip a hooker for letting you do that thing that your wife wouldn't do...
But no seriously. Anyone who has worked in the restaurant business knows that waiters and waitresses pretty much make their living off tips. The jobs tend to pay very poorly and have demanding and often awkward hours. If you have no clue about what it is like... I recommend you watch the movie Waiting. it makes a good satire, but also shows some brutal realities of the American Food Services industry. So... don't be a dick to your service staff, and if they give you good service, thank them with a tip.
- Marc
" @Meowshi said:But then doctors wouldn't be able to afford their expensive cars!" Jesus Christ Ray, it's two dollars. If you willing eat at a place that you know underpays their employees, then you should do the customary thing and tip. Otherwise, you shouldn't eat there. Honestly, if your so bothered by tipping underpaid people who serve you food and drink like some sort of Medieval bar wench, then I seriously doubt you give two shits about the "countless homeless people". Of course you can do whatever you want. It's not a law or anything. "Actually, I do care about the homeless. I just realize I can't help everyone. If it were up to me, everyone would have free health care. "
it's not the idea of a tip that most people are arguing against. Its the bad attitude of people saying "No you should tip, those people are poor and they deserve the extra money" no they dont deserve the extra money. They deserve to get payed at least minimum wage. They don't deserve extra money from me, only I get to decide who gets extra money from me. People look at tips now like its expected, it totally defeats the purpose.
Its interesting Circular logic though, Americans tip, so the restaurants dick their service staff on pay. Then when people say we should get rid of tips, the service goes "you cant we live off those tips", why? because the restaurant managers dick their service on pay because of...tips. Wow it could go on like this forever.
If someone provides a good service, tipping is customary. Why is this strange? I might tip someone who met normal standards 10 - 15% and someone who I'd like to have as a waiter or waitress again 20% to 30%. Same goes everywhere else people are providing a service to you directly. If you want continued good service, put the money down, if you don't go to McDonald's or cook it yourself.
" Sometimes I tip. But I mean they are already getting paid an hourly wage. I feel like I'm tipping someone to do a job he/she's already being paid for. What do you think? "The average United States server gets paid $2.65/hour; the vast, VAST majority of their income comes from tips. With that knowledge, no tipping is not strange to me. In fact, to me, a 15% tip is a mandatory base for tipping.
I think it's strange that it's become a mandatory custom instead of an extra thank you for your waitress doing a good job, but you sort of have to tip if you have any shred of humanity since they make well below minimum wage, and even working on minimum wage is just barely enough for someone to scrape by. Unless they do a really awful job and are obnoxious and rude while still expecting to get tipped, I will always tip. I have had some occasions though where I was treated like shit and didn't leave them a cent.
In some countries it's even considered offensive. Where I live (New Zealand) it's not overly common but people do it occasionally, but its not expected like in some countries.
I'm more curious as to why nerds always have to take something completely mundane and twist it into some heinous attempt by the proles to steal our hard earned monies. As if applebees isn't just going raise the price of your favorite bacon-grease dipped mayonnaise balls if tipping was suddenly eliminated and they were forced to pay their employees a living wage.
At least with the current system you can leave a spite penny if the service was exceptionally awful.
i live in Australia where no one is tipped except for MAYBE the pizza delivery guy if your feeling generous or the taxi drive if your a happy drunk. as far as i can tell any place where tipping is relied upon to fill out peoples wages simply has a shitty minimum wage? i mean ill admit that i dont get the idea seeing as iv never really had to deal with it but unless the person has A) done an amazing, better than expected job or B) is actually getting so little you feel sorry for them, whats the point behind tipping???
EDIT: just to clarify, when i say we dnt tip here, i mean coz we dont have to, not because were all just wankers. Our minimum wage for any one over 21 is $14.50 an hour, hence not really the need.
I'm the same way. I tipped our waiter at Ruth's Chris $200 on a $150 bill because he was THAT good, but I would have just as easily tipped him nothing if he was crap. I always make sure to tell people why they're getting over or under tipped, too." Good Job = Good tip Meh Job = Meh tipBad Job = No tip "
I will also ask for special treatment at restaurants and I'll tell waiters up front that if they do something for me, I'll take care of them, and I mean it. I'll also do things like ask waiters to comp corkage fees which I tell them the amount comped will go directly into their pockets, and I always follow through. Other things I ask for include...getting seated in a private room in a restaurant when it's only me and my girlfriend, that's a huge tip for the hostess right there. I tip doormen, cabbies, maids at hotels, reservation agents at hotels if they can upgrade me, essentially everyone gets tipped and tipped well if they do a good job. The valet gets an extra $20 if he leaves my car parked right in front of the restaurant and if it's ready and running for me when we leave. Stuff like that.
People are dependent on tips. This is something I've experienced first hand and still see in other people who are trying to pay rent or get through school.
The server has to fuck up pretty badly for me to not tip the full 20%. I'm still in college though and poor myself, so I hardly ever tip over 20% or even eat out. *sigh*
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