Does anyone here actually believe what Mitt Romey says?

I believe his empty words just about as much as I believe in that crocodile smile he's got going on all the damn time. And his dead fucking eyes..

How is this thread still alive?  Does this site have moderators?

@Spoonman671 said:

How is this thread still alive? Does this site have moderators?

Yep. They've closed several threads today. Seems like this one is just discussion. Problem?

@Spoonman671 said:

How is this thread still alive? Does this site have moderators?

Because this thread hasn't yet degraded to flames and trolls. Plus the election is in 4 days, so they're probably going to let political threads slide until the election.

How can you believe what he says when he'll go so far as to lie about a situation that can easily be disproven by various parties/groups? Chrysler and GM both came out and said that the tv and radio ads Romney is running in Ohio about sending manufacturing jobs to China is a complete load of bs.

As little honest information there is in this thread, I'm so glad it has become what it is.

It's not often a forum-based political attack ad turns into a semi-intelligent discussion of politics.

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

@Commando said:

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

Except that NO PRODUCTION IS MOVING TO CHINA. What does exist are factories in different parts of the world that sell to those same parts of the world. This also has nothing to do with MSNBC. Major media outlets showed the ad was complete BS. Did you miss the part where Chrysler and GM had to put out a statement saying it wasn't true? There is no other side. There is fact and there is fabrication. I repeat did you miss the part where the companies in the ad had to put out a statement saying it was a lie? Would you like me to put those statements here? If I do will you claim they're just trying to cover something up?

@golguin said:

How can you believe what he says when he'll go so far as to lie about a situation that can easily be disproven by various parties/groups? Chrysler and GM both came out and said that the tv and radio ads Romney is running in Ohio about sending manufacturing jobs to China is a complete load of bs.

Rachel Maddow is a giant cunt.....no there's nothing political about that...I just felt like somebody should point it out.

Also I don't really like either Obama or the cardboard cut out guy (Romney).....

voting third party.

I don't treat everything that comes out of his mouth as gospel like many do, but I like Gary Johnson.

@JustinNotJason said:

@golguin said:

How can you believe what he says when he'll go so far as to lie about a situation that can easily be disproven by various parties/groups? Chrysler and GM both came out and said that the tv and radio ads Romney is running in Ohio about sending manufacturing jobs to China is a complete load of bs.

Rachel Maddow is a giant cunt.....no there's nothing political about that...I just felt like somebody should point it out.

Also I don't really like either Obama or the cardboard cut out guy (Romney).....

voting third party.

I don't treat everything that comes out of his mouth as gospel like many do, but I like Gary Johnson.

How is Rachel Maddow a giant cunt? And why should we give two shits about your opinion when you call people you don't know giant cunts? How old are you?

@JustinNotJason: I'd love to hear your reasoning behind Rachel Maddow being a "giant cunt."

@Milkman said:

@JustinNotJason: I'd love to hear your reasoning behind Rachel Maddow being a "giant cunt."

We probably won't ever get his reasoning.

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

@Commando said:

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

They just seem like the fact checking counter-part to Fox News.

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what any politician says?

Fixed

No, I don't trust him either. My two cents is that people feel burned by Obama's unfulfilled promises he made 4 years ago and they want someone new to believe in, even if that is Romney. Personally I feel like it's fine if you change your stance on things (flip-flopping as people have called it), but at a certain point it just feels like they'll immediately change back after winning.

Basically I've been following politics closely this time around because it's the first time I'll get to vote, but goddamn, I hate politics after watching this crap.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Commando said:

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

They just seem like the fact checking counter-part to Fox News.

Actually, if they moved forward in China, it would be in addition to the American production. American Jeeps would be made in America in the capacity they still are, and they would open new production facilities in China to create Jeeps for the Chinese. Romney and the right keep implying that American jobs will disappear to China. They are just considering opening new jobs in China in addition to the ones returned to the US. No production would be "moved", as you're saying.

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Commando said:

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

They just seem like the fact checking counter-part to Fox News.

Actually, if they moved forward in China, it would be in addition to the American production. American Jeeps would be made in America in the capacity they still are, and they would open new production facilities in China to create Jeeps for the Chinese. Romney and the right keep implying that American jobs will disappear to China. They are just considering opening new jobs in China in addition to the ones returned to the US. No production would be "moved", as you're saying.

I heard Romney say in some interview or whatever it was that instead of opening a factory in China for creating Chinese Jeeps that they should create the Chinese Jeeps here and sell them overseas. It was something like that anyways.

Edit: So that could be a lot of potential jobs here including shipping the cars overseas.

I don't like both of em but if Romney wins...Might as well nuke that whole fucking country because really, no hope.

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

@imsh_pl said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Because of Obamacare, “over the last two years, health care premiums have gone up — it’s true — but they’ve gone up slower than any time in the last 50 years.”

The amazing part about that is a couple months ago when Obamacare passed. We got 2 pieces of mail in from our health insurance. The first one I opened said I get a refund for any money that wasn't used thanks to Obamacare. The check was for $1.25. The next letter was a notice that our insurance premium was going up 15%. My parents and I had a good laugh on that one. Why even send out a check for a dollar (moms was like $2.75)? You know it cost that much just to send out the damn check.

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

@SargeGulp said:

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

What's wrong with wanting to use sources to rebut one's argument?

@imsh_pl said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Even if that list is correct, that site is basically conspiracy theory bullshit.

When the founders of Obama Lies read Obama’s fictional autobiography, Audacity of Hope, it was immediately apparent that this book of Obama Lies is an attempt to define the man as a new messiah and to head off criticism of his obvious inadequacies. When the inaccuracies (read Obama Lies) in his background started to be uncovered and discussed, we went to the web to see if anyone had registered the domain name obamalies.com to use as a vehicle to exposeObama’s lies.

The Truth about Obama Lies

What we discovered added to the intrigue. Barack Obama is being packaged by some very resourceful people who anticipated what the opposition would do. They preemptively registered every possible anti-obama web name in the popular dot com TLD and pointed them to favorable Google™ search results. ObamaLies.com, impeachobama.com, and antiobama.com were all registered in July of 2004 to the same anonymous registrar:

Whois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.
PMB 368, 14150 NE 20th St – F1
Bellevue, WA 98007

They all point to the same favorable Google™ search results:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=barack+obama&btnG=Search

With at least 1 million people better qualified to become president, why did they pick Obama, write his book, invent his web persona, and finance him to the tune of hundreds of millions? After inventing him and paying for him, who are the people who will control him?

I'm sorry man but that site is as reliable as the one that says the pyramids were build by space faring cows...

@imsh_pl said:

@SargeGulp said:

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

What's wrong with wanting to use sources to rebut one's argument?

It's wrong because that source is clearly incredibly biased and not objective in the least. Sources are only good if they are actually impartial and only use facts to back what they say.

@Azteck said:

@imsh_pl said:

@SargeGulp said:

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

What's wrong with wanting to use sources to rebut one's argument?

It's wrong because that source is clearly incredibly biased and not objective in the least. Sources are only good if they are actually impartial and only use facts to back what they say.

I'm sorry, did you miss the link to the source under every single lie that's been listed (such as Politifact.com which containts quotes and promises of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney)? Or did you just assume that I linked a page that contains misquotes of Obama without any prior factual check of said quotes?

@twigger89 said:

@imsh_pl said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Even if that list is correct, that site is basically conspiracy theory bullshit.

So basically you're saying "I can't deny the credibility of those quotes so I'll try to bash the site even though I have no evidence to support my claim"?

@imsh_pl said:

@Azteck said:

@imsh_pl said:

@SargeGulp said:

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

What's wrong with wanting to use sources to rebut one's argument?

It's wrong because that source is clearly incredibly biased and not objective in the least. Sources are only good if they are actually impartial and only use facts to back what they say.

I'm sorry, did you miss the link to the source under every single lie that's been listed (such as Politifact.com which containts quotes and promises of both Barack Obama and Mitt Romney)? Or did you just assume that I linked a page that contains misquotes of Obama without any prior factual check of said quotes?

@twigger89 said:

@imsh_pl said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Flawed_System said:

The real question:

Does anyone here actually believe what Barrack Obama says?

Yes, he has kept alot of his Campaign Points of 2008 and its hard to push his healthcare act with Congress and the RNC being stubborn and in the pockets of the health care companys.

http://obamalies.net/list-of-lies

Even if that list is correct, that site is basically conspiracy theory bullshit.

So basically you're saying "I can't deny the credibility of those quotes so I'll try to bash the site even though I have no evidence to support my claim"?

Well, then someone links http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/, and we reach an impasse.

Mitt Romney is completely full of shit.

@CrossTheAtlantic said:

Well, then someone links http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/, and we reach an impasse.

Have I ever claimed that Obama didn't do any of the things mentioned on the site you linked?

Sandy says what's up, Mitt.

@imsh_pl said:

@CrossTheAtlantic said:

Well, then someone links http://whattheheckhasobamadonesofar.com/, and we reach an impasse.

Have I ever claimed that Obama didn't do any of the things mentioned on the site you linked?

No. My point is that both are links that actively seek to project one-dimension of a person in order to reflect the creator's own perspective.

Not really.  But trying to claim Romney is some kind of extreme case is way beyond naive to me.

I think he just says what he has to say in order to get elected. He went all batshit right to get the Repub. nomination and now that he has it he's probably going to move toward the middle and become more of a moderate to get some votes. This is his final run for President so I'm sure he doesn't give a fuck and will say whatever he has to to get people to like him.

I kind of like the dude in a underdog kind of way.

He's pragmatic.

@LooseChange said:

I think he just says what he has to say in order to get elected. He went all batshit right to get the Repub. nomination and now that he has it he's probably going to move toward the middle and become more of a moderate to get some votes. This is his final run for President so I'm sure he doesn't give a fuck and will say whatever he has to to get people to like him.

I kind of like the dude in a underdog kind of way.

if you liked the underdog than you would support gary johnson or jill stein or that asshole from the constitution party

I don't believe anything a politician says during their campaign, but Romney has to be one of the poorest liars I've ever witnessed, and it's sad.

@BestUsernameEver said:

@Jams said:

If you don't make more than 500,000 a year, there is no reason you should support, or defend the republican party.

Excuse me, what?

Just following your election from Europe: it seems like the Republicans have this huge problem, that only a die hard conservative can get the vote of the party and only a moderate conservative can become president. That's why you see him change his position so much, he needed to, to become president.

@BestUsernameEver said:

@Jams said:

If you don't make more than 500,000 a year, there is no reason you should support, or defend the republican party.

Excuse me, what?

I don't think he is bad, he probably be a good president. But yeah... he does change his position alot... I understand why he does it though, American's like to hear certain things.

You decide:

Does anyone believe what either of the two puppets say? They're both pathological liars. Vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein or whoever, just not one of these two criminals.

@Jams said:

@Wrighteous86 said:

@Bourbon_Warrior said:

@Commando said:

@golguin: Typical MSNBC. Only giving one side, and not looking at the other.

Fiat COO/Jeep President Mike Manley on production in China: “We’re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity” as well as “should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio.”

Now he never said he would move all production to China, but he is saying that they're interested in moving at least some production of Jeeps to China.

They just seem like the fact checking counter-part to Fox News.

Actually, if they moved forward in China, it would be in addition to the American production. American Jeeps would be made in America in the capacity they still are, and they would open new production facilities in China to create Jeeps for the Chinese. Romney and the right keep implying that American jobs will disappear to China. They are just considering opening new jobs in China in addition to the ones returned to the US. No production would be "moved", as you're saying.

I heard Romney say in some interview or whatever it was that instead of opening a factory in China for creating Chinese Jeeps that they should create the Chinese Jeeps here and sell them overseas. It was something like that anyways.

Edit: So that could be a lot of potential jobs here including shipping the cars overseas.

That could be true, though that's not the way I've heard him portray it to the public. I hear people say Obama let the company get sold to the Italians to move Jeep production to China. Your point stands, but having localized plants for local production is the sign of a thriving company, not an ailing one that is depriving Americans of jobs. I understand your argument though (even though I don't think it's the one Romney has been making).

@imsh_pl said:

@SargeGulp said:

@imsh_pl: You should have made your point without linking to that website.

What's wrong with wanting to use sources to rebut one's argument?

I prefer this more unbiased source: Politifact.

Barack Obama's Truth/Lie percentages: 45% to 28%

Mitt Romney's Truth/Lie percentages: 31% to 41%

The remaining percentages constitute "half-truths". Interesting also that in terms of Pants on Fire lies (lies with no foundation in reality), in all of the statements Obama has made that they looked into, only 7 were PoF, and Romney has had 19. So this argument that Obama is a liar is true, all politicians are. However, Romney is much more guilty of this.

Obviously, they have analyzed Obama more due to his longer time in the public eye, and this is just on the statements that they've studied, but it's decent gauge if you take that into account. You also have to consider that some of the lies are bigger or more important.

If we want a simple example: Romney claims he will create 12 million jobs in 4 years if elected president. Here is the problem: 12 million jobs is an absurd amount of job creation. There have only been two periods in the last 50 years the US has ever had that much job growth where it was during the second terms of Reagan and Clinton after years of building big economic boom.

I would have taken Romney on face if he was claiming to create 4 or 5 million jobs but saying 12 million....he might as well promise everyone gets puppies for everyone and chocolate cake every day if he is elected.

"Does anyone here believe what Mitt Romney says?"

Yes. But a better question is do you believe anything that Obama says, considering what has come to light in recent events

@bunnymud said:

"Does anyone here believe what Mitt Romney says?"

Yes. But a better question is do you believe anything that Obama says, considering what has come to light in recent events

Like what?

@bunnymud said:

"Does anyone here believe what Mitt Romney says?"

Yes. But a better question is do you believe anything that Obama says, considering what has come to light in recent events

What has come to light in recent events?

Oh...i don't know. How about that whole Benghazi mess. For 10 days he was saying "IT'S THE VIDEO! IT WAS NOT A COORDINATED ATTACK!" and now we know that it was. And that it was a terrorist attack to boot. Not to mention that whole "Imma gonna close Gitmo day one in office." thing

But, I rather keeping liberal circlejerks on Reddit and not sully GB with such nonsense

EDIT: I should have said political circlejerks in general