Fuck the internet RE:Bombcast 7/13/10

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Edited By Cramsy

Listening to the latest Bombcast when the guys were talking about the state of the internet really got me thinking. I've always been disgusted by some of the stuff  that gets posted on message boards, chat rooms and just the internet in general. Animals getting beaten, child porn, racism, sexism, homophobia the list just goes on of shit that is on our internet.  
 
Dave thinks it wont be fixed,
Jeff has hope,
My hope is fading. 
  
The cynical answer is obviously "don't look at it" but why should I avoid one of the most powerful and influential tools ever created because a ton of the users are complete assholes?  Is there anyway that we can 'fix' these parts of the internet? I mean, like the guys said, there are still god awful people on Facebook and their names (and other personal information) is all readily accessible from anyone who really wants to find it.  Will there ever be a day when I can join a live stream chatroom during Womens Super Street Fighter IV competitions and not be flooded with  literary diarrhea? I really like the internet, but fuck sake, there is a LOT of shit out there.  
 
What do you guys think? (please, someone come up with the solution quick) 

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#1  Edited By Cramsy

Listening to the latest Bombcast when the guys were talking about the state of the internet really got me thinking. I've always been disgusted by some of the stuff  that gets posted on message boards, chat rooms and just the internet in general. Animals getting beaten, child porn, racism, sexism, homophobia the list just goes on of shit that is on our internet.  
 
Dave thinks it wont be fixed,
Jeff has hope,
My hope is fading. 
  
The cynical answer is obviously "don't look at it" but why should I avoid one of the most powerful and influential tools ever created because a ton of the users are complete assholes?  Is there anyway that we can 'fix' these parts of the internet? I mean, like the guys said, there are still god awful people on Facebook and their names (and other personal information) is all readily accessible from anyone who really wants to find it.  Will there ever be a day when I can join a live stream chatroom during Womens Super Street Fighter IV competitions and not be flooded with  literary diarrhea? I really like the internet, but fuck sake, there is a LOT of shit out there.  
 
What do you guys think? (please, someone come up with the solution quick) 

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#2  Edited By EpicSteve

It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes.

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#3  Edited By mikemcn
@EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it.
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#4  Edited By ApuZ

I had the same problem these guys were having during the E3 live stream podcasts. Some people are just say the most sexist and racist thing they can to try and offend someone. It's ridiculous. 

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#5  Edited By benpack

Finding pearls in the piles of shit are what makes the internet great. Lots of crap out there but also good.

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#6  Edited By mazik765

Some people are assholes. The internet didn't make them assholes, it just made those of us who keep decent company more aware of them.

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#7  Edited By masternater27

I doubt it'll ever change.  The thing is, just about everybody has access to the internet, and just about everybody is on equal footing.  So all the backwards fucked up people you'd never hear from in your day to day life have an equal voice to anybody through blog posts and comments and whatever.

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#8  Edited By Make_Me_Mad

It seems almost counterproductive to try and wipe the assholes off the internet.  I mean, the great thing about the internet is that it's kind of opened the door and let everyone say whatever the hell they want - sometimes you get an awesome and interesting experience, and sometimes you get a dude spouting rascist comments and posting offensive images.  That's humanity for ya!

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#9  Edited By cornbredx

The internet doesnt cause these things to happen or exist. These things have always existed. The internet makes it easier to find and therefore more people are inclined to think about it. 
  
You cant "fix" this unless you tried to "fix" people and people are who they are and wont be "fixed' 
 
While I agree the horrible things that exist suck, and I also agree people can do things about them but truly evil will never disappear comepletely.  
 
Even a utopia is flawed.
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#10  Edited By Dalai

Well it's a great thing that the internet is over.

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#11  Edited By Baillie

Don't blame the internet, blame anonymity.

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#12  Edited By audiosnag

Trust Penny Arcade to sum it up perfectly 

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#13  Edited By hockeymask27

Since the Internet allows you  to communicate through a device. People do not see themselves as being judge, but some easily replaceable digital name talking. Which leads to them saying whatever they want with no moral or self image restraints. 
Sadly I do not think it will ever change.  In fact i'm waiting for the person who's going to come and say we are all being hypocrites(aka whiteknights).

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#14  Edited By triple07
@EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
The problem isn't that it is on the internet but that is happens at all since most things end up on the internet so unless people stop being assholes I doubt it will change.
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#15  Edited By JJWeatherman

How is ignoring the bad stuff the cynical answer?

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#16  Edited By Cramsy
@JJWeatherman said:

" How is ignoring the bad stuff the cynical answer?   

Isn't it like saying "if you don't like it, don't consume it" 
 
 I probably should have said that it's the easy answer
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#17  Edited By JJWeatherman
@Cramsy said:
" @JJWeatherman said:

" How is ignoring the bad stuff the cynical answer?   

Isn't it like saying "if you don't like it, don't consume it"   I probably should have said that it's the easy answer "
Yeah, that makes more sense.  :P 
 
But yeah, Idk. I'm listening to the Bombcast right now so I'll listen to the source of this thread and see what I think.
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#18  Edited By seanvail99

" @EpicSteve said: 
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it. "
This nails it. Most of these people would never have the guts to pull the stuff they do on the internet in real life. Socially awkward people who don't know how to interact with others can act without consequences online.
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#19  Edited By Gav47

The internet is the single greatest resource of..... well everything. And I mean EVE-R-Y-THING, racism, knowledge, entertainment, porn, EVERYTHING

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#20  Edited By DaManGB
@Mikemcn said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it. "
Yea thats exactly right the internet is full of douchebags
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#21  Edited By WickedCobra03

I dunno.  I think the internet is worse than real life because you have your socially awkward people able to express themselves, and when they do, they usually go overboard when they do express their opinions or share their thoughts.

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#22  Edited By aurahack

Unfortunately, I don't think it can be fixed...  
 
For every Grouphug.us, there's 20 4chans/Meat Spins/ratemypoo.coms. 

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#23  Edited By Six

but they also noted, how many people are there, but not saying the stuff that the Vocal Minority was...?
plenty of decent people on the internet that don't "speak"
 
i wonder how many people would hold back if everything they did on the internet was CC'd to their mother.  Some say that mom knows everything, but what if she had access to all your internet activities?  I GUARANTEE that the bullshit on the internet would be cut in half.

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#24  Edited By goodwood

This sounds like the watchmen where they kill millions to save billions. We need to kill a million assholes to save the internet. Lets get Dr. Blue cock on it. 

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#25  Edited By toowalrus

We  need a communist government to hijack the internet, and require all "free-speech" to be accompanied by real names, addresses and phone numbers. (well, not really.) After all, Blizzard don't have the balls.

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#26  Edited By recroulette
@TooWalrus said:
" We  need a communist government to hijack the internet, and require all "free-speech" to be accompanied by real names, addresses and phone numbers. (well, not really). "
You mean Blizzard?
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#27  Edited By FinalDasa  Moderator

I agree with the fact that the majority of people on and using the internet are "normal" and act like they normally would. 
 
But a handful of people are allowed to get away with nearly anything they want. 

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#28  Edited By toowalrus
@RecSpec said:
" @TooWalrus said:
" We  need a communist government to hijack the internet, and require all "free-speech" to be accompanied by real names, addresses and phone numbers. (well, not really). "
You mean Blizzard? "

Yes, absolutely, it seems like I was the only person on the planet in favor of Blizzards master plan.
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#29  Edited By ThePickle
@Dalai said:
" Well it's a great thing that the internet is over. "
I hoping that the sequel is better.
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#30  Edited By MetalGearSunny

A lot of people on the internet are assholes, and get away with it. A lot of other people, like myself and a lot of other fellow Giantbomb users, are just here to have fun. I love the internet, but whenever the one asshole comes up, it ruins your day. This is something that will never be fixed, no matter how much hope anyone may have.

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#31  Edited By sagesebas
@Cramsy: Giantbomb is a great place on the internet though ....right?
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"The Internet" is a large vocal minority of dicks like you and me.
 
Most people that use the internet don't know how to actually use the internet, so we never hear them.

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#33  Edited By RsistncE
@Cramsy: When people say "don't look at it" they don't mean, "don't go on the internet," they mean, "don't go to the /b/ on 4chan and then bitch about it, since that's like jumping in a fire and whining about getting burned." Either way I still don't get why people are so anal about the internet being a shithole.
 
News-fucking-flash: the real world is also a shithole.
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#34  Edited By KaosAngel

halo generation killed everything

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#35  Edited By me3639
@EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
^^This + people are just plain stupid. If you dont believe me randomly walk up to 5 people and start a conversation. It doesn't matter if its a bum on the street, or a CEO you will get the same result.
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#36  Edited By demontium
@EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
But the internet offers so much anonymity it gives those assholes the tools.
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#37  Edited By Phished0ne

I loved this discussion but i thought it was kind of crass, considering early in the podcast when talking about SSF4 womans invitational jeff said in a condescending tone that it was when he went to go eat. Then complained about all the shit said in the chat......i understand there are different levels and that Jeff was just joking , but its  contributing none-the-less.

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#38  Edited By ryanwho

ITT, act like you're not part of the problem.

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#39  Edited By Dalai
@HandsomeDevil said:
" @Dalai said:
" Well it's a great thing that the internet is over. "
I hoping that the sequel is better. "
Internet 2: Even Nettier! 
 
That's dumb. Just call it Web 2.0.
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#40  Edited By Bobby_The_Great
@Mikemcn said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it. "
Bingo, hit the nail on the head.
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#41  Edited By RE_Player1

Assholes are in real life too. My advice for all of you on the internet and in real life... AVOID THEM AND IGNORE THEM. It's worked wonders for me. Although people blame these jackass users on internet forums and chat rooms we're part of the problem as well, we fuel them when we respond and try to argue with them (I say we because I think for the most part Giantbomb users are ok). Do you honestly think your doing any good when you reply to some saying, " All gays r faggetz and thhy sud go to hel and nvr come backzzzzzz!" or something retarded like that. Yes you could argue, " Should we ignore all our problems? What if we ignored Hitler? Haha I got you...," but this is different because almost all of these people spouting shit are either children or shut ins that will cause no harm anyone if we simply ignore them. 

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#42  Edited By alsnuts2  Online

I disagree with the premise that most people are dicks. You just remember the fuck heads. Take this thread as an example, pretty much every response has been pretty reasonable and its likely that no one will remember anything anyone said specifically. I would agree that the people who post things online are trying to get attention and anonymity exacerbates the problem though.

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#43  Edited By memo

immature people are rude and assholes

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#44  Edited By Cramsy
@sagesebas said:
" @Cramsy: Giantbomb is a great place on the internet though ....right? "
It's one of the best communities I've been a part of! 
 
@KaosAngel
said:
" halo generation killed everything "  
 Oh please
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#45  Edited By JJWeatherman
@Bobby_The_Great said:
" @Mikemcn said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it. "
Bingo, hit the nail on the head. "
I don't think that's true at all. You guys really believe that EVERYONE is an asshole and that we all release that inner asshole whenever we can get away with it? That's a sad outlook on the world. 
 
I think places like GB prove that not everyone turns into an asshole the second they sit down at a computer. 
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#46  Edited By shiftymagician
@Mikemcn said:
" @EpicSteve said:
" It's not the internet, it's that most people are assholes. "
To be specfic, Everyone is an asshole when they can get away with it. "
It only takes one case to break this statement.  I could get away with being childish, but that is not how I want to convey myself in the forums, so I don't.  I may be a minority, but I'm no asshole.  If I somehow offend innocent people, it is purely unintended and I always apologise for it.  Though I will be honest, I am a lot harsher on people that do not learn lessons, though still not outright rude.
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#47  Edited By shiftymagician
@WickedCobra03 said:
" I dunno.  I think the internet is worse than real life because you have your socially awkward people able to express themselves, and when they do, they usually go overboard when they do express their opinions or share their thoughts. "
I know a guy like this.  He may sometimes speak out, but one time he really went overboard, and on Facebook even, so we all knew who was saying it.  Safe to say after everyone having a few words with him, his profile became a bit quieter.  Safe to say he has learned his lesson.
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#48  Edited By sagesebas
@Cramsy: I feel that way too a bright spot on the entire interwebs
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#49  Edited By Sabata

The internet is filled with douchebags because the WORLD is filled with douchebags.  It's not a problem with the internet, it's a problem with people.

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#50  Edited By DCFGS3

I can safely say I prefer the internet to be full of aseholes, rather than a pc utopia. You do need to have a certain amount of resistance to this stuff to really use the internet, so really my only advice is to harden the fuck up.