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#1  Edited By Hailinel

There was recently an incident here in Seattle where a fifteen-year-old girl was chased into one of the downtown bus tunnel stations by a group of older teens that robbed and beat her in front of three secu rity officers that did nothing to help.
 
Nothing.
 
Well, you could say calling the police is something, but seriously, even if your job description is to observe and report, how stupid can you be to just stand by and allow a girl who had every reason to think you would protect her get beaten and robbed by a group of thugs right in front of you?  This is beyond ridiculous.
 
I've taken the bus through that tunnel countless times over the years, and I've never personally witnessed a crime take place in any of the stations.  However, I can attest to the notion that the "security" present is really nothing more than a bunch of yokel rent-a-cops that seem to find it more productive to shout at you for standing on the yellow warning strip on the platform's edge than stay on watch for anything actually resembling a threat.  I feel nothing but pity for the girl and I'm glad her assailants were caught, but the security in the tunnels needs an overhaul before I'm going to take those guards and their Cracker Jack prize badges seriously.

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#2  Edited By apathylad

Wow. That video embedded with the article was pretty surreal. It was bizarre seeing one of the security guards stand there when a girl is getting kicked while laying in the ground. By the looks of it, it seemed like one security guard was trying to stop the assault by asking politely. -_-'

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#3  Edited By RsistncE

Meh. Worse shit happens everyday, not much you can do about it.

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#4  Edited By NTM

Hmm, weird. I live in Bothell/Woodinville, WA and I never heard about that... Maybe I did, just forgot.
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#5  Edited By anthama

According to the video, the aren't allowed to intervene. It could just be three guards trying to keep their job. If anything, the policy is stupid.

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#6  Edited By Baillie

The girl didn't get jumped, she was in a fight and she was losing. Cry.

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#7  Edited By Bobdaman18

I definitely agree that the security for that station needs an overhaul but I don't think you can really blame the guards.  They probably aren't given the training to know how to properly react in a violent situation.  If they intervened they would be risking their jobs by directly going against protocol, especially since they'd be using force on a 15 year old girl.
 
The blame should go on whoever made the decision to save some money by employing under trained security guards and instituting a policy that is meant to cover their own asses legally.

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#8  Edited By MrKlorox

I've said it many times before and I'm sure this won't be the last time. Fuck the police. If they'd have escorted the girl like she asked, this might not have transpired this way.
 
And the "security guards" (an ironic title if ever there was one) are fucking pussies and are in possession of the easiest and most useless job in the universe. The legal system in this country is FUCKed up, with a capital fuck.

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#9  Edited By chrissedoff
@RsistncE said:
" Meh. Worse shit happens everyday, not much you can do about it. "
except there were a bunch of dudes who could do something about it, except they stood and watched.
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#10  Edited By Hamz

No one is really to blame for this situation other than the group of thugs who attacked the girl. You can't expect security guards to intervene when their job description explicitly states they shouldn't get involved directly and you can't really expect the police to be everywhere at once either.

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#11  Edited By ryanwho

Security guards aren't trained to help with shit like this. That's why they're security guards, real law enforcement has standards.

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#12  Edited By MrKlorox
@ryanwho said:
" Security guards aren't trained to help with shit like this. "
Then they need to stop calling themselves such. They don't guard the security. They should be called "professional snitches" since all they are willing to do is observe and report. They're worthless, spineless cowards.
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#13  Edited By Optiow

I believe that Security guards are nothing. What we need are proper army soldiers on the streets. That would help against crime like that.

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#14  Edited By Brendan

I see where the security is coming from, but I'm not gonna lie, I don't think I could have just stood and watched that. 
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#15  Edited By shirogane

Huh, you should see the train ticket inspectors here in Melbourne, they think they're cops or something. 
 These security guys might not do anythinhg, but the ticket inspectors here will, they beat the crap out of you. Yes, they actually do get violent over public transport tickets.
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#16  Edited By TheLawnWrangler

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These guys would not approve. Where has the moral compass gone?! :[
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#17  Edited By ryanwho
@MrKlorox said:
" @ryanwho said:
" Security guards aren't trained to help with shit like this. "
Then they need to stop calling themselves such. They don't guard the security. They should be called "professional snitches" since all they are willing to do is observe and report. They're worthless, spineless cowards. "
That's a little far. I'd call them watchstanders scept that's what the military calls them, and they're actually mostly competent and trained. Hall monitors, how 'bout. Or mall monitors, as the case may be.
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#18  Edited By MrKlorox

I hope the guards lose their children's respect over this. I know I would rather know my father lost his job by doing right instead of keeping it by doing wrong. What a shitty example they set as parents.

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#20  Edited By ThatFrood
@Atomasist said:
" I love how everybody says they were doing there job. Does there job require them to watch a person get beaten? Who sits around while somebody gets beaten, disgusting. "
See, their job description is to NOT get involved. Since they are part of a company, if they did intervene, violently, then it is possible the company would have been sewed, costing the company a ton of money. I'm sure they felt really terrible about it, but they could lose their jobs if they intervened. And chances are you aren't going to be rehired by some other company if your reason for dismissal was because you caused a lawsuit.
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#21  Edited By ryanwho
@Atomasist said:
" I love how everybody says they were doing there job. Does there job require them to watch a person get beaten? Who sits around while somebody gets beaten, disgusting. "
The point is they have no job obligation to interfere. They might as well be bankers. If you want to make a character judgement on them, as humans, that's fine, and you probably should be distressed and even sickened at the idea that people exist who would just watch you get beaten to death. But their security guard badge obligated them to nothing; its their obligation as fellow human being that's debatable.
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#22  Edited By Kaz_Hooray

The people of Seattle are pretty....simple. Tons of Nintendo and Microsoft employees squatting about.

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#23  Edited By Hailinel
@ThatFrood said:
" @Atomasist said:
" I love how everybody says they were doing there job. Does there job require them to watch a person get beaten? Who sits around while somebody gets beaten, disgusting. "
See, their job description is to NOT get involved. Since they are part of a company, if they did intervene, violently, then it is possible the company would have been sewed, costing the company a ton of money. I'm sure they felt really terrible about it, but they could lose their jobs if they intervened. And chances are you aren't going to be rehired by some other company if your reason for dismissal was because you caused a lawsuit. "
It's their fault that they didn't help the girl, but it's also the fault of the security company for instilling that policy and mentality.  Making someone think that they could be fired for attempting to stop an assault is just wrong, but it doesn't excuse the the fact that the guards chose not to take that risk.
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#24  Edited By MrKlorox
@ThatFrood said:

" Since they are part of a company, if they did intervene, violently, then it is possible the company would have been sewed, costing the company a ton of money. "

There are ways to intervene without getting violent. Also if the guards were to get attacked without attacking first, would they have the legal recourse to defend themselves?

 And chances are you aren't going to be rehired by some other company if your reason for dismissal was because you caused a lawsuit. 

Only if you never made it to the interview stage. Most employers would take the circumstances into consideration before outright denying a job. Stopping an assault while working as a security guard sounds almost like an actual job description.
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Anybody that lets "policy" or their job description stop them from helping someone in a situation like this is worthless.

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#26  Edited By MAN_FLANNEL
Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.   
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#27  Edited By ThatFrood
@Hailinel said:
" @ThatFrood said:
" @Atomasist said:
" I love how everybody says they were doing there job. Does there job require them to watch a person get beaten? Who sits around while somebody gets beaten, disgusting. "
See, their job description is to NOT get involved. Since they are part of a company, if they did intervene, violently, then it is possible the company would have been sewed, costing the company a ton of money. I'm sure they felt really terrible about it, but they could lose their jobs if they intervened. And chances are you aren't going to be rehired by some other company if your reason for dismissal was because you caused a lawsuit. "
It's their fault that they didn't help the girl, but it's also the fault of the security company for instilling that policy and mentality.  Making someone think that they could be fired for attempting to stop an assault is just wrong, but it doesn't excuse the the fact that the guards chose not to take that risk. "
Yes, I'll agree with you that stopping the fight would have been the best course of action, but I think the angle people are giving it is one that's far too "righteous". Honestly? Those guards were probably terrified. They're human beings, not robo-cop. The fact that they're security guards, ironically, gave them an obligation NOT to intervene. These are people trying to provide for their families and this instance is far from the black-and-white portrait some people seem to be painting it in.
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#28  Edited By Hailinel
@Kaz_Hooray said:
" The people of Seattle are pretty....simple. Tons of Nintendo and Microsoft employees squatting about. "
That has nothing to do with this conversation, and is an inaccurate description of the city.  The guards in the tunnel may be spineless cowards, but the city itself is a wonderful place regardless of those fools.
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#29  Edited By Hailinel
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.    "
Race had nothing to do with it.
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#31  Edited By ThatFrood
@MrKlorox: while that's all true to a degree, it really isn't that simple. To begin with, security guards are not high-skill but generally are high-benefit, there are a lot of people in line to take those jobs. If a company had to choose between a guy who was involved in a suit or not, they'd choose the not.
And as for the self-defense. Well, yes, obviously. Self-defense takes precedence in legal courts.
 
A comparison to this would be that people who work at retail are not allowed to stop people from shop-lifting. If a shop-lifter runs, you aren't allowed to pursue. Sure, it seems wrong, but if the employee were to try and stop them forcefully, so much as grabbing their hand, they could be fired.
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#32  Edited By MAN_FLANNEL
@Atomasist said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.    "
It was one girl. You can't stop one person? "
The article implies there were around 9 of them. 
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#33  Edited By Hailinel
@ThatFrood said:
" @MrKlorox: while that's all true to a degree, it really isn't that simple. To begin with, security guards are not high-skill but generally are high-benefit, there are a lot of people in line to take those jobs. If a company had to choose between a guy who was involved in a suit or not, they'd choose the not. And as for the self-defense. Well, yes, obviously. Self-defense takes precedence in legal courts.  A comparison to this would be that people who work at retail are not allowed to stop people from shop-lifting. If a shop-lifter runs, you aren't allowed to pursue. Sure, it seems wrong, but if the employee were to try and stop them forcefully, so much as grabbing their hand, they could be fired. "
Stopping someone from stealing a candy bar and stopping someone from beating someone else's face in are two different things.
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#34  Edited By MrKlorox
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @Atomasist said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.    "
It was one girl. You can't stop one person? "
The article implies there were around 9 of them.  "
Read again. One girl and three boys versus one younger girl.
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#35  Edited By Milkman
@Hailinel said:
" There was recently an incident here in Seattle where a fifteen-year-old girl was chased into one of the downtown bus tunnel stations by a group of older teens that robbed and beat her in front of three secu rity officers that did nothing to help.
Uhh...what? That's not what the video said at all. It was a fight between two girls.
 
If it's against their policy to get involved, I can't say I particularly blamed them. This thread is pretty exaggerated. It wasn't a beating. It was a fight.
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#36  Edited By Hailinel
@Milkman said:
" @Hailinel said:
" There was recently an incident here in Seattle where a fifteen-year-old girl was chased into one of the downtown bus tunnel stations by a group of older teens that robbed and beat her in front of three secu rity officers that did nothing to help.
Uhh...what? That's not what the video said at all. It was a fight between two girls.  If it's against their policy to get involved, I can't say I particularly blamed them. This thread is pretty exaggerated. It wasn't a beating. It was a fight. "
Read the article accompanying the video before responding.
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#37  Edited By ThatFrood
@Hailinel said:
" @ThatFrood said:
" @MrKlorox: while that's all true to a degree, it really isn't that simple. To begin with, security guards are not high-skill but generally are high-benefit, there are a lot of people in line to take those jobs. If a company had to choose between a guy who was involved in a suit or not, they'd choose the not. And as for the self-defense. Well, yes, obviously. Self-defense takes precedence in legal courts.  A comparison to this would be that people who work at retail are not allowed to stop people from shop-lifting. If a shop-lifter runs, you aren't allowed to pursue. Sure, it seems wrong, but if the employee were to try and stop them forcefully, so much as grabbing their hand, they could be fired. "
Stopping someone from stealing a candy bar and stopping someone from beating someone else's face in are two different things. "
Look, yes, I agree. It was just another example of how corporate policy can interfere with ethics. I'm making the argument that these security guards aren't inhuman or monsters for not interfering, they behaved like everyone else would, they were scared. Did you notice anyone else in the crowd rushing to help the girl? Would you? As much as you may like to say yes, I doubt it.
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#38  Edited By Hailinel
@ThatFrood said:
" @Hailinel said:
" @ThatFrood said:
" @MrKlorox: while that's all true to a degree, it really isn't that simple. To begin with, security guards are not high-skill but generally are high-benefit, there are a lot of people in line to take those jobs. If a company had to choose between a guy who was involved in a suit or not, they'd choose the not. And as for the self-defense. Well, yes, obviously. Self-defense takes precedence in legal courts.  A comparison to this would be that people who work at retail are not allowed to stop people from shop-lifting. If a shop-lifter runs, you aren't allowed to pursue. Sure, it seems wrong, but if the employee were to try and stop them forcefully, so much as grabbing their hand, they could be fired. "
Stopping someone from stealing a candy bar and stopping someone from beating someone else's face in are two different things. "
Look, yes, I agree. It was just another example of how corporate policy can interfere with ethics. I'm making the argument that these security guards aren't inhuman or monsters for not interfering, they behaved like everyone else would, they were scared. Did you notice anyone else in the crowd rushing to help the girl? Would you? As much as you may like to say yes, I doubt it. "
They were hired to supposedly keep the peace in the station.  They're failures for not being able to live up to the expectations of the public.
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#39  Edited By MAN_FLANNEL
@MrKlorox said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" @Atomasist said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.    "
It was one girl. You can't stop one person? "
The article implies there were around 9 of them.  "
Read again. One girl and three boys versus one younger girl. "
No, I am not going to fucking read it again.  

In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1.

That implies around 9 people.
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#40  Edited By Milkman
@Hailinel:  The article says that the 3 people followed her in but doesn't really say anything about all of them ganging up on her. For whatever reason, I can't copy and paste but in the third paragraph from the bottom, it says the fight was largely between 2 teenage girls.
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#41  Edited By MrKlorox
@ThatFrood said:
" Did you notice anyone else in the crowd rushing to help the girl? Would you? As much as you may like to say yes, I doubt it. "
I think it might have had something to do with the guys the crowd perceived to be hired to do that very thing, the security guards, not doing anything. I know now that if I see something like this happening and the guards are just watching, I will absolutely step in. Then I will insult the guards as the media interviews me and supermodels rush to my side to give me cash and sloppy blowjobs. What... what was I talking about?
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#43  Edited By MrKlorox
@MAN_FLANNEL said:
" @MrKlorox said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" @Atomasist said:

" @MAN_FLANNEL said:

" Hmmm... Do my civilian job, or get into a fight with a bunch of black kids, potentially getting fired, sued, and go to jail.    "
It was one girl. You can't stop one person? "
The article implies there were around 9 of them.  "
Read again. One girl and three boys versus one younger girl. "
No, I am not going to fucking read it again.  

In this case, it was a violent fight, and they were outnumbered by this pack of people 3-to-1.

That implies around 9 people. "
Hi. The Sheriff was talking out his ignorant pig ass. The first paragraph clarifies that the court papers filed say one girl and three boys.
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#44  Edited By ThatFrood
@Atomasist: yo, I'm from the midwest. We help people too. But the world is a shitty place sometimes. We're all people and we can all be scared. Decisions are complicated. Rarely is something black and white.
Just because someone didn't act like a pillar of virtue doesn't give us cause to condemn them as scum. I don't think they made the best decision, but I recognize when another human being is conflicted and frightened, and I'm not about to say that, in his shoes, I would immediately stand between the attackers and the girl, adrenaline pumping and muscles glistening.
I'm glad no one was seriously hurt and they got the guys who started the fight. I hope security companies take notice of this and start training their men for situations like this (because as of now, security guards aren't really trained or experienced in conflict management).
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#45  Edited By RsistncE
@chrissedoff said:
" @RsistncE said:
" Meh. Worse shit happens everyday, not much you can do about it. "
except there were a bunch of dudes who could do something about it, except they stood and watched. "
I'm fully aware, I'm referring to the fact that the assualt happened due to these boneheaded guards and there isn't much WE can do about it. It's my coping mechanism :S
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#46  Edited By FartyMcNarly

If the guards did anything they would be charged with assault, assault to a minor which would lead to losing their jobs, fines and most likely jail time.
 
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#47  Edited By iam3green

it is stupid on everyone's part. the girl ask a cop to esscort her to the tunnel but said no. security just watched as she got her ass beaten. yes, it says that they can't intervene but i think they change. maybe they should just have pepper spray or a teaser for things like that and put them under citizen's arrest.

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#48  Edited By MAN_FLANNEL
@FartyMcNarly said:
" If the guards did anything they would be charged with assault, assault to a minor which would lead to losing their jobs, fines and most likely jail time. "
Hey, I thought you were supposed to say something stupid every time you posted. 
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#50  Edited By FartyMcNarly
@MAN_FLANNEL: Oh shit! My bad! I edited my post for more happy sexy time.