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#1  Edited By soldierg654342

I was listening to a Les DeMerle album with a friend of mine (Spectrum, the song Dio Dati (God Gives) specifically) today. The song's crescendoing to this big note, and when the band hits it someone is noticeably off key. My friend turns to me and says "Why would you listen to this? They're messing up!" This quickly spiraled into a discussion on recording methods, live versus studio, digital versus analog and so forth. 


I'm curious as to what you guys feel about imperfections in your music, be it wrong notes, the sound of a drumstick hitting the ground, or anything like that. Do you feel that they add texture or they are unprofessional? 
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#2  Edited By mazik765

If my ears say yes, then I say yes.

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#3  Edited By npeterson08

They definitely add character. For example, John Bonham's squeaky bass-pedal on a few Led-Zeppelin tracks.

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#4  Edited By JasonR86
@SoldierG654342:

It really depends on the song and what the band is trying to accomplish.  I think lead-ins or outros with background noise is really cool.  Even if the song is trying to fill-in the sound with noise or any other sound other then the band is cool.  But if they were trying to sound really good but mess up and are to lazy or cheap (or poor depending on the band) to have another take then I don't like it as much.  Being off-key isn't something I think I would like out of my music.
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#5  Edited By Example1013

I sometimes laugh when I hear really minor out-of-place notes that no regular person would notice. Honestly, you can't fault people for getting one wrong note in a recording and just saying "fuck it, that's as good as it'll get; this is going on the album". Unless it's a really big error that is noticeable without actively listening, it's no big deal.

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#7  Edited By Kyreo

Sometimes that can really work.  Listen to this.  Like partly through it goes off tempo, and it really works.


  
  


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#8  Edited By 71Ranchero

Imperfections in live music is fine. Hell, some songs have evolved over time due to imperfections that just worked. On an studio album however, I think they should be nailing it. After all it doesn't take much to go in and replace a single not these days.

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#9  Edited By napalm

I don't really care, as long as the production job isn't to overproduce and bleed out the highs.

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#10  Edited By Aus_azn

Almost always unprofessional. I like my music to be very clean and crisp. That's why I hate FM transmitters and don't encode my music in anything less than 192kbps full-stereo as a bare minimum.

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#11  Edited By ShaggE

Some all-time classics are stuffed with imperfections. "I've got blisters on me fingers!" in Helter Skelter comes to mind, as well as the complete fuckup in The Kingsmen's version of Louie Louie. 


Definitely adds character.
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#12  Edited By WEGGLES

I VASTLY prefer a harsher more imperfect feel to music. 


It's art. It needs feeling.

When it's done in one take you get little imperfections at add character.

When you piece together a song out of 150 takes you're left with something lifeless. May as well have a robot play  it.
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#13  Edited By SomeJerk

Sometimes adds character, sometimes it makes my ears mentally bleed. I get it if it's a live recording, but a studio recording? Unless the monitor room decided it was fine, no matter how basic the rig, you can roll a new tape, you can click around in ProTools, or if it's like my rig - you can press a some buttons on the MPC and prepare the recording of a new take starting at beat X measure Y (JJOS installed, love that thing!)

Also, the loudness war - it's not an imperfection, it's unlawful entry of our bodily cavities. It's one of the many reasons why people love music on vinyl, dear lord is the difference between a clean mix and a loudness one magnificent. The mp3 generation's being brainwashed into believing it's good sound. Google and youtube have good demonstrations of this deal.

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#14  Edited By Thrillhouse87

 in the song "Hey Jude" you can hear someone (it says Lennon in the video, but some claim its McCartney) say "fucking hell"
  

 
Warning: once you hear it, you will not be able to unhear it.
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#16  Edited By IBurningStar

Sometimes the imperfections make the song better and give it more of a soul and character. Those moments stand out, but in a good way. In fact, those are usually the only obvious mistakes left in final recordings. I mean, they could in truth be hurting the song, but to the person recording it it sounded great. So it isn't like there is one part of the song that is totally fucked and they just didn't care to fix it, they just thought it was a good mistake and left it in, despite the fact they were wrong and it just left that part of the song sounding totally fucked.

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#17  Edited By Little_Socrates
@Evilsbane said:
@Little_Socrates said:
  Or, of course, when I can hear that there's a good song in there, but some annoying bite of the song keeps coming back to haunt me.
what do you mean? The Yowh? love that song, I feel like I can sing along to new FF songs even though I haven't heard them yet.
Nah, it's that stupid "DA NAH NAH NAAAAH NAH NAH" Rush riff that plays every twenty seconds or so like a kick in the balls to remind me that the Foo Fighters haven't put out a song I loved since There Is Nothing Left To Lose.
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#18  Edited By soldierg654342
@WEGGLES said: 
When you piece together a song out of 150 takes you're left with something lifeless. May as well have a robot play  it.
Yeah, that's generally how I feel. My favorite parts of Wish You Were Here (the song) are hearing Nick Mason cough and drop his stick in the beginning and hearing violin form another recording booth at the end. On the other hand, I totally understand people who feel that if they are paying for this music, they want it done right. 
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#19  Edited By neozeke
@Little_Socrates said:
@Evilsbane said:
@Little_Socrates said:
  Or, of course, when I can hear that there's a good song in there, but some annoying bite of the song keeps coming back to haunt me.
what do you mean? The Yowh? love that song, I feel like I can sing along to new FF songs even though I haven't heard them yet.
Nah, it's that stupid "DA NAH NAH NAAAAH NAH NAH" Rush riff that plays every twenty seconds or so like a kick in the balls to remind me that the Foo Fighters haven't put out a song I loved since There Is Nothing Left To Lose.
And now, I'll never be able to unhear the resembalence. 
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#20  Edited By Evilsbane
@neozeke said:
@Little_Socrates said:
@Evilsbane said:
@Little_Socrates said:
  Or, of course, when I can hear that there's a good song in there, but some annoying bite of the song keeps coming back to haunt me.
what do you mean? The Yowh? love that song, I feel like I can sing along to new FF songs even though I haven't heard them yet.
Nah, it's that stupid "DA NAH NAH NAAAAH NAH NAH" Rush riff that plays every twenty seconds or so like a kick in the balls to remind me that the Foo Fighters haven't put out a song I loved since There Is Nothing Left To Lose.
And now, I'll never be able to unhear the resembalence. 
That Rush song is really good though, lol just wanted to listen for the Riff now I can't stop.
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#21  Edited By MrKlorox
@SoldierG654342: What format/bitrate/quality? Mp3 16bit 44.1khz 320kbps? FLAC 24bit 192khz ~5-6mbps?

I started downloading vinyl to FLAC tansfers (24bit 96khz 3mbps+) and I'm completely torn. On one hand I can hear a greater dynamic range and sharper highs, but the analog artifacts in the vinyl medium counteract a lot of the signal quality improvement. I realize there are a billion factors when digitizing vinyl (from transfer equipment to vinyl density to household power rating), but the bong rip at the beginning of Intolerance (the opening to Tool's Undertow album) doesn't even sound like it in the rip I have.

I think I prefer CD to FLAC more than Vinyl to FLAC. I can't wait for high resolution all-digital music stores. iTunes will not get my business until they offer CD quality or better.
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#22  Edited By cnlmullen

A few bands/musicians I like go out of their way to use old-fashioned analog recording techniques. 


It's not necessary, but I think I can appreciate the earthy vibe of analog -- which I guess must stem from the tiny imperfections. 
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#23  Edited By Karl_Boss

Oh it annoys me quite a bit....and I notice them easily because I have a nice pair of headphones.

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#24  Edited By dungbootle

Lo-fi, dude.


Unless you mean parts in songs where they clearly fucked up, such as a cracking voice or offkey note. I've only heard something like that once.
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#25  Edited By soldierg654342
@dungbootle said:
Lo-fi, dude.

Unless you mean parts in songs where they clearly fucked up, such as a cracking voice or offkey note. I've only heard something like that once.
Yeah, I'm talking more about the performance than the quality of the recording. 
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#26  Edited By cnlmullen

Les DeMerle is pretty obscure. I don't think too many professionally produced albums have glaring performance mistakes. Worse comes to worst they'll use auto-tune for its intended purpose.