Kpop, Kpop, and Kpop: The Discussion Thread

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#201 Posted by xymox (2432 posts) -

Okay, this one has been making the rounds for a while now, and I didn't like it at first. But now I do, and I feel really confused. But it's a really solid song, right? I don't even know anymore.

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@onimonkii said:

c-clown has some good songs, but that group name...

Yeaaaah, I don't know about the name either.

bit of a dude group throwback. if you can listen to this just once you're stronger than i am

ss501 - love ya

With ease! But then again, I also like Infinite - Man in Love. What's with K-pop videos and going all "fake radio" at the end of their videos?

it's out. i feel like i should put a nsfw warning on this

Pretty damn cool, actually.

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#202 Edited by xymox (2432 posts) -

Also:

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Thanks! This one gives me such an 80's post-punk/ethereal vibe. Totally going to check out more by Yukari.

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@ajayraz@mcghee@rebgav more videos on that channel. volume warning.

And apparently, Snoop now makes Hellectro.

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#203 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

For those that never saw this great show, the first season of Invincible Youth is now being released on KBS World's Youtube channel. You can already find this entire show fansubbed, but this is the best picture quality I've seen and probably the best subs as well. Love this show. Funny interactions between all of these girls and where I became a fan of all them, especially Sunny and Hara, who both have exceptional variety skills. Hara eventually won KBS's Best New Female MC Award for her work on this show.

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#204 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

@xymox said:

Okay, this one has been making the rounds for a while now, and I didn't like it at first. But now I do, and I feel really confused. But it's a really solid song, right? I don't even know anymore.

@onimonkii said:

c-clown has some good songs, but that group name...

Yeaaaah, I don't know about the name either.

@onimonkii said:

bit of a dude group throwback. if you can listen to this just once you're stronger than i am

ss501 - love ya

With ease! But then again, I also like Infinite - Man in Love. What's with K-pop videos and going all "fake radio" at the end of their videos?

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it's out. i feel like i should put a nsfw warning on this

Pretty damn cool, actually.

joah kind of broke me as well. i hated jay park, almost irrationally so, the same way some people hate t-ara now. but i dunno, i'm coming around on him. he's really good on snl korea.

infinite is like the most consistently good male group that i don't actively listen to. their dancing is so synced and visually interesting, but i dunno none of their songs have really clicked with me yet. just waiting for a beast comeback...

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#205 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

@mcghee said:

For those that never saw this great show, the first season of Invincible Youth is now being released on KBS World's Youtube channel. You can already find this entire show fansubbed, but this is the best picture quality I've seen and probably the best subs as well. Love this show. Funny interactions between all of these girls and where I became a fan of all them, especially Sunny and Hara, who both have exceptional variety skills. Hara eventually won KBS's Best New Female MC Award for her work on this show.

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IY is definitely worth watching, everything on it just seems to go together well right from the start, and it really helps you get to know the idols as funny, hard working, and humble people. can be easy to forget that you're watching two members of the biggest girl group in the world, and an international star from the most viral of videos do farm chores.

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#206 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

Holy crap. I want some way to set this as my alarm clock every day.

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#207 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

that would just soothe me back to sleep

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#208 Posted by Amilmitt (245 posts) -

If you haven't seen it already.

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Sounds like 2NE1 will comeback right after, like they did with Park Bom's solo.

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#209 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

continuing my mission to convert more people into nine muses fans, their adorable interview/google+ hangout on arirang's after school club

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they come in @12:00, it's mostly in english.

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#210 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

tonight is music bank's 700th episode, to celebrate, they're having some special stages, full list here

highlights include secret performing lee hyori's u go girl, and nine muses performing park jiyoon's adult ceremony

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#211 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

tonight is music bank's 700th episode, to celebrate, they're having some special stages, full list here

highlights include secret performing lee hyori's u go girl, and nine muses performing park jiyoon's adult ceremony

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Really enjoyed seeing SNSD perform Gee again on the show. Sunny's charisma was sparkling.

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#212 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

tonight is music bank's 700th episode, to celebrate, they're having some special stages, full list here

highlights include secret performing lee hyori's u go girl, and nine muses performing park jiyoon's adult ceremony

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Really enjoyed seeing SNSD perform Gee again on the show. Sunny's charisma was sparkling.

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#213 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

the performance in question

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nine muses

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secret

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4minute

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there's more but that's already a lot

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#214 Edited by rebgav (1442 posts) -
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CL's solo single just showed up. I like the song but the video is not particularly great, though it does have its moments.

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#215 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

wasn't really a fan of either personally, it feels like a rejected GD song/video and with CL it doesn't really work for me. it's kind of hilarious how yg fans will always praise how creative and unique and different etc. their artists are, and now they basically all have the same style/sound. only instead of looking/sounding like other idols, as someone else pointed out, it's like they're trying their hardest to be RiFF RAFF.

a recent release i liked though is crispi crunch's sajangnim nice shot!, they always portray themselves as goofy ass perverts, but their songs are solid

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their last song, menboong time

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and their ode to night at the roxbury, thumbs up

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#216 Posted by rebgav (1442 posts) -

it feels like a rejected GD song/video and with CL it doesn't really work for me. it's kind of hilarious how yg fans will always praise how creative and unique and different etc. their artists are, and now they basically all have the same style/sound.

I agree with pretty much all of that but it's also exactly what I was expecting from a CL solo effort so I'd already made peace with the inevitable. I do think that the video has some great visuals but they aren't really used effectively, it feels kind of thrown together. The song would be better if it was more balanced, the back half is good but it's front loaded with two long, sparse "verse" sections.

YG could really use some fresh blood behind the scenes. The most disappointing aspect of this release for me is that it feels like it was on autopilot.

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#217 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

SM's rookie guy group EXO is back with OOLF Wolf and maybe i've just gotten used to it from the leak months ago & choreography leak, but i think it's alright.

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other recent guy group releases include VIXX with Hyde, which is somehow more laughable than OOLF but the song is about as good

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starship's boy group Boyfriend released On & On which is really not my thing at all

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100% is back and shirtless as fuck with Want U Back

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2PM is finally back in korea with A.D.T.O.Y. and it's dope

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B1A4 has been doing well with their new song What's Happening?

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and legends Shinhwa are back again with This Love

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sorry if i missed any but that's a pretty good sampling anyways

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#218 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

hello again thread. the new rainbow is out

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mblaq is finally back with a new song

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san-e now free from jyp and on brand new music finally decides to release a new song

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skarf is back as well

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some heavy hitters coming this month: sistar, after school, dal shabet, henry lau, crayon pop, chocolat, and supposedly fiestar, girl's day, and a pink.

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#219 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

@mcghee Okay. Solve this for me. You know more about K-Pop than I do, obviously because well...obviously.

A friend and I got into a huge argument over this a few days ago and we haven't spoken since. I want to preserve this friendship and having something as silly as an argument about K-Pop so I need you right now. I need your expert opinion.

Is Björk K-Pop? I say she is but my Korean friend stubbornly insists she's not because she's Icelandic or some shit. So I call him a fucking racist and we get kicked out of the movie theater.

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#220 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@mcghee Okay. Solve this for me. You know more about K-Pop than I do, obviously because well...obviously.

A friend and I got into a huge argument over this a few days ago and we haven't spoken since. I want to preserve this friendship and having something as silly as an argument about K-Pop so I need you right now. I need your expert opinion.

Is Björk K-Pop? I say she is but my Korean friend stubbornly insists she's not because she's Icelandic or some shit. So I call him a fucking racist and we get kicked out of the movie theater.

Umm . . . what?

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#221 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@onimonkii:

I'm looking forward to After School and Fiestar, but I am really going crazy waiting for IU and Kara to return this summer.

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#222 Posted by sub_o (1160 posts) -

It's been quite sometime since I listened to K-Pop. I remembered the time when I listened to groups like S#arp, Seo Taiji, and Jaurim.

Nowadays the newer (and popular) groups, seems to be more like one hit wonders to me, but again it might be due to my age.

Anyway, here's one of Jaurim's best songs (sounds bit like Cranberries)

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#223 Posted by therabidfrog (361 posts) -
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The only one that counts!

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#224 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@onimonkii:

I'm looking forward to After School and Fiestar, but I am really going crazy waiting for IU and Kara to return this summer.

i just hope the kara one isn't disappointing ever since lupin they haven't had that same hype behind their releases. iu i am less enthusiastic about but there will probably be a few guaranteed good songs out of it. new taeyang & 2ne1 around the same time should be nice, should yg not push them back again forever. it's been forever since a new beast too, t-ara eh, i dunno. even as a fan of their work i am keeping my expectations low with this one, aside from how good jeon won diary was, ccm has been full of questionable decisions lately.

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#225 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@onimonkii:

I'm looking forward to After School and Fiestar, but I am really going crazy waiting for IU and Kara to return this summer.

i just hope the kara one isn't disappointing ever since lupin they haven't had that same hype behind their releases. iu i am less enthusiastic about but there will probably be a few guaranteed good songs out of it. new taeyang & 2ne1 around the same time should be nice, should yg not push them back again forever. it's been forever since a new beast too, t-ara eh, i dunno. even as a fan of their work i am keeping my expectations low with this one, aside from how good jeon won diary was, ccm has been full of questionable decisions lately.

About Kara, that's not true at all. Step was hugely successful in both Korea and Japan. Pandora was not as big, probably because of the criticisms that it sounded too Japanese. There was also controversy about those stupid islands that Korea and Japan are fighting over and Kara's, Gyuri, in her comments would not come down on either side of the issue. She handled it perfectly but still got some criticism from both sides. Kara is the #1 Korean girl group in Japan, the first to ever hold a solo concert in the Tokyo Dome just this year in January. So yes, Kara may have slipped slightly after Step in popularity in Korea because they have focused so much in Japan, where they are mega-huge, but if they come back with a song as good as Step, they would jump back into the limelight instantly. Hell, they are all even filming a 5 part mini-drama series for Korea right now.

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#226 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

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CL's solo single just showed up. I like the song but the video is not particularly great, though it does have its moments.

Holy shit, this is one of the worst songs I have ever heard. Dreadful. Not to mention the whole "Korean girl acting like a thug" nonsense.

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#227 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@onimonkii said:

@mcghee said:

@onimonkii:

I'm looking forward to After School and Fiestar, but I am really going crazy waiting for IU and Kara to return this summer.

i just hope the kara one isn't disappointing ever since lupin they haven't had that same hype behind their releases. iu i am less enthusiastic about but there will probably be a few guaranteed good songs out of it. new taeyang & 2ne1 around the same time should be nice, should yg not push them back again forever. it's been forever since a new beast too, t-ara eh, i dunno. even as a fan of their work i am keeping my expectations low with this one, aside from how good jeon won diary was, ccm has been full of questionable decisions lately.

About Kara, that's not true at all. Step was hugely successful in both Korea and Japan. Pandora was not as big, probably because of the criticisms that it sounded too Japanese. There was also controversy about those stupid islands that Korea and Japan are fighting over and Kara's, Gyuri, in her comments would not come down on either side of the issue. She handled it perfectly but still got some criticism from both sides. Kara is the #1 Korean girl group in Japan, the first to ever hold a solo concert in the Tokyo Dome just this year in January. So yes, Kara may have slipped slightly after Step in popularity in Korea because they have focused so much in Japan, where they are mega-huge, but if they come back with a song as good as Step, they would jump back into the limelight instantly. Hell, they are all even filming a 5 part mini-drama series for Korea right now.

i just mean for me personally, i don't factor overall korean popularity into things i like. step and jumping were just kinda boring when they should have been like earth shattering, especially because they'd been spending so much time in japan (where i don't like anything they've put out at all), when they come back to korea it feels like it should be a big event. maybe it's just expectations were too high on my part, but regardless of their commercial/chart success, they just haven't really been the same to me. like, pandora was a step in the right direction imo, that was basically what i had been waiting for all along, and seungyeon's solo was great, but hers was the only one i liked. so idk, expectations are low for me, hopefully i'll be surprised.

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#228 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@mariachimacabre said:

@mcghee Okay. Solve this for me. You know more about K-Pop than I do, obviously because well...obviously.

A friend and I got into a huge argument over this a few days ago and we haven't spoken since. I want to preserve this friendship and having something as silly as an argument about K-Pop so I need you right now. I need your expert opinion.

Is Björk K-Pop? I say she is but my Korean friend stubbornly insists she's not because she's Icelandic or some shit. So I call him a fucking racist and we get kicked out of the movie theater.

Umm . . . what?

Is she K-Pop? Y/N

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#229 Edited by oraknabo (1744 posts) -

@onimonkii: Thanks for posting that. I can't deny the talent behind lot of this gayo stuff, but it just never appeals to me much. It reminds me too much of western pop groups most of the time and it seems to me that a lot of it would be written off a lot quicker if the same songs were being done by Americans or Europeans.

I haven't heard Hong Jin Young before, but that trot sound instantly appeals to me more than most of what has been posted on this thread.

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#230 Edited by Amilmitt (245 posts) -

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CL's solo single just showed up. I like the song but the video is not particularly great, though it does have its moments.

I quite liked it.

but i guess thats because i'm not a snob.

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#231 Edited by beforet (3471 posts) -

My girlfriend played this on my computer a lot, and I can't say I hate it. So I share with you. Warning: From my understanding, this music has some Homestuck connections. So if that stuff sends you into fits, then I advise against listening.

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#232 Edited by rebgav (1442 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@rebgav said:
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CL's solo single just showed up. I like the song but the video is not particularly great, though it does have its moments.

Holy shit, this is one of the worst songs I have ever heard. Dreadful. Not to mention the whole "Korean girl acting like a thug" nonsense.

I'd argue that the individual elements are okay and could have been massaged into a good song but that the end result here is poor overall.

Hopefully 2NE1's comeback will be better and we can all forget that this ever happened. I am going to go ahead and file this song under guilty "pleasures."

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I quite liked it.

but i guess thats because i'm not a snob.

I love CL and I like this particular song more than I'd expect most people to but it's pretty disappointing. You don't have to be a snob to be turned off by the mish-mash of musical styles and the WWE Divas level of quality and authenticity in the video.

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#233 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -
@beforet said:

My girlfriend played this on my computer a lot, and I can't say I hate it. So I share with you. Warning: From my understanding, this music has some Homestuck connections. So if that stuff sends you into fits, then I advise against listening.

block b is good but that's the first i've heard of that. i guess i wouldn't if i didn't actively follow it anyways right? anyway yeah it's unfortunate what's happening to them, they're a good group. check out LOL

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and Nalina

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#234 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

normally i'd wait for a couple more releases to post up a block of new music, but here's Henry from suju m's solo debut

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#238 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -
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#239 Posted by buzz_clik (7590 posts) -
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Thanks (in-part) to @babylonian, I've recently caught up with this video; I fucking love everything about it. The tune, the look, all of it. The way it shifts into that next gear in the back end is aces.

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#240 Edited by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -
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#241 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@buzz_clik: I'm glad someone likes it. Makes me grind my teeth.

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#242 Edited by buzz_clik (7590 posts) -

@villainy: Why would you apologise for making something better?

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#243 Edited by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@mariachimacabre:

I had been asking myself if you were being serious, trying to be funny, or just being a dick. I'm leaning toward just being a dick.

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#244 Posted by MariachiMacabre (7097 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@mariachimacabre:

I had been asking myself if you were being serious, trying to be funny, or just being a dick. I'm leaning toward just being a dick.

I can assure you no dickishness was intended. It was all in the name of whimsy and jest. Mostly whimsy.

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#245 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

to prep for new releases, and to desperately try to get this thread back on track, here's the last song released by each group coming back soon.

after school - flashback

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chocolat - harumandeo (pick whichever of the like 4 translations you like)

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crayon pop - dancing queen

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sistar - alone

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personally, just based on the teasers that have come out, sistar is probably going to just destroy everything. AS hasn't put out an mv/audio teaser yet, so there's still time for them to blow people away. chocolat's black tinkerbell, from the teaser and the bit they performed on after school club, seems alright, but probably won't make much of an impact. crayon pop's bar bar bar could do alright for them, but i dunno, they're like the rookiest of rookies still, and i don't think their goofy style leads to as many sales as it is endearing.

anyways, here's the teasers in question, judge for yourself.

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#246 Posted by aurahack (2553 posts) -

Don't know what's the deali-o with fancams in this thread but in relation to @onimonkii's contribution of Crayon Pop's latest teaser, here is the first live performance of it.

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I've been fidgeting all day trying to get the song and the choreography out of my head. It's so silly. I love it to bits.

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#247 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@onimonkii: Sistar has really hit the zeitgeist in Korea. "Alone" was pretty good, but after that, I haven't seen anything they've done that is particularly great, but Korea is eating it up like crazy. They have jumped into the top tier and I'm scratching my head over it. Their group has no balance in my mind. They have Hyorin. Bora is alright. But if you look at them as a team, I think they are lacking. There is nothing that puts their recent releases above many others, but they have hit a high to where it doesn't matter. It's kind of interesting how these things happen.

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#248 Posted by McGhee (6128 posts) -

@aurahack: I think Crayon Pop is almost suited to Japan better than Korea, like they could blow up there if they did it right.

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#249 Posted by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

@mcghee said:

@onimonkii: Sistar has really hit the zeitgeist in Korea. "Alone" was pretty good, but after that, I haven't seen anything they've done that is particularly great, but Korea is eating it up like crazy. They have jumped into the top tier and I'm scratching my head over it. Their group has no balance in my mind. They have Hyorin. Bora is alright. But if you look at them as a team, I think they are lacking. There is nothing that puts their recent releases above many others, but they have hit a high to where it doesn't matter. It's kind of interesting how these things happen.

yeah, it's weird to see what hits big out of nowhere and what continues being stuck in the middle somewhere (rainbow ;_;). personally i think soyu has a great voice, and i far prefer it to hyorin oversinging everything, but she gets all the credit for the group's vocals. bora is super pretty, but she's basically just another one of hyorin's backup dancers in sistar19. can't even really say much about dasom other than she's cute, so that right there just further proves how imbalanced they are as a group. that said, their songs are consistently good.

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#250 Edited by frankxiv (2599 posts) -

sistar's new mv is out, the song is great imo

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ccm put out a project group of soyeon from t-ara, eunkyo from 5dolls, yoojin from the seeya, and taewoon & sungmin from speed. the mv stars jiyeon from t-ara and is sad as hell @aurahack probably shouldn't watch.

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chocolat's black tinkerbell is also out

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still waiting on crayon pop's bar bar bar and after school's first love. first love sounds a bit like sistar19's gone not around any longer from the teaser. here's that teaser.

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what do you guys think?