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#1  Edited By NukeSpoon

He killed a bunch of people (mostly the US' fault) but he radically improved living standards. Maybe if the West hadn't been such dicks we could have seen a functioning communist state, which would rule.

Stalin owns.

Why do you love Stalin?

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#2  Edited By scalpel

Everything is the west's fault, as always. And who doesn't like totalitarianism?

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#3  Edited By Still_I_Cry

@NukeSpoon:

Aha!

You presume I love Stalin as you do!

Also, it is not our fault that Batman, superman, the avengers and the Watchmen did not deem your country fit for saving.

Take that up with Stalin, I am sure he was the one that said, "No, I lub me country the way tis!"

And glossing over all the bad things he did makes you look glassy eyed.

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#4  Edited By nintendoeats

I blame the Americans for a lot of things, but Stalin spying on and killing his own people isn't one of them.

Socialism is baller. Communism leads to injustice.

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#5  Edited By forkboy

@NukeSpoon said:

He killed a bunch of people (mostly the US' fault) but he radically improved living standards. Maybe if the West hadn't been such dicks we could have seen a functioning communist state, which would rule.

Stalin owns.

Why do you love Stalin?

Stalin was a madman anti-semite with a hell of a nasty streak. Sorry but no, Stalin was a dickhead if for not other reason than ruining the name of socialism for a long time to come.

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#6  Edited By Flawed_System

I don't love Stalin. I don't know why anyone would love Stalin.

You better rethink this before I get McCarthy in here to sort you out.

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#7  Edited By mustachioeugene

I'd love it if we could talk about him, but everyone seems to keep stallin' the conversation.

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#8  Edited By RVonE

@NukeSpoon said:

He killed a bunch of people (mostly the US' fault) but he radically improved living standards. Maybe if the West hadn't been such dicks we could have seen a functioning communist state, which would rule.

Stalin owns.

Why do you love Stalin?

"After the Soviet Union dissolved, evidence from the Soviet archives also became available, containing official records of the execution of approximately 800,000 prisoners under Stalin for either political or criminal offenses, around 1.7 million deaths in the Gulags and some 390,000 deaths during kulak forced resettlement – with a total of about 3 million officially recorded victims in these categories."

Which is conservative since it only refers to official records.

Yeah, "he killed a bunch of people"...

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#9  Edited By NoobSauceG7

What?

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#10  Edited By breadfan

Commie hipster!

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#11  Edited By Winternet

Filthy commie, get out of here. Now!

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#12  Edited By gamefreak9

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

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#13  Edited By SeriouslyNow

@NukeSpoon said:

He killed a bunch of people (mostly the US' fault) but he radically improved living standards. Maybe if the West hadn't been such dicks we could have seen a functioning communist state, which would rule.

Stalin owns.

Why do you love Stalin?

Let's talk about Russia's utter dismissal of communism. Let's talk about Stalin being a name and no longer being significant to the people he was born into. Let's talk about spolied brat students who want to give his corpse a blowjob.

Let's.

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#14  Edited By Azteck

The thing about communism is that there is no way that it could possibly work in an actual society. The idea of behind it might have the heart in the right place, but it is impossible for everyone to be equal in that way, and earn the same amount of money despite the amount of work put in.

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#15  Edited By Brendan

"Stalin could have ruled us and made a great communist state!"

Should be followed by

"I have no idea what communism is!"

Stalin ruling you means that you are not a communist state. True communism has free elections. Hence why there hasn't been communism, ever.

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#16  Edited By Julmust

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

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#17  Edited By gamefreak9

@Azteck said:

The thing about communism is that there is no way that it could possibly work in an actual society. The idea of behind it might have the heart in the right place, but it is impossible for everyone to be equal in that way, and earn the same amount of money despite the amount of work put in.

umm no... how about you just give up some productivity and just use external innovations?

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#18  Edited By HaltIamReptar

I didn't murder all those people, I didn't overlook the rape of all those people, I didn't terrorize and antagonize my own people, etc.

The U.S. did.

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#19  Edited By toowalrus

I do love the secret police...

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#20  Edited By gamefreak9

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

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#21  Edited By Getz

Godwin's law, in effect.

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#22  Edited By Phatmac

Better dead than red!

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#23  Edited By owl_of_minerva

Living standards were atrocious in Stalinist Russia, even if he did modernise the country. Also, Stalin's actions weren't based on the ideology of socialism or communism, they were based on establishing an authoritarian bureaucracy with economic policies that were a kind of state capitalism, since the country was still based on the exploitation of labour without any form of worker's power. The atrocities that followed happened because (a) imposing modernisation on a poor peasant country required horrific levels of exploitation (labour camps, selling grain even though millions are starving, etc.) and (b) all of the revolutionary old guard had to be purged because they were threats to Stalin and his policies.

Perhaps Stalin felt his actions were necessary because he feared that the West would band together to wipe Russia out so they needed to become an industrial and military superpower, but nevertheless he was scum. It was unfortunate that Lenin didn't remain healthy enough to prevent Stalin from taking over the party.

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#24  Edited By Julmust

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

But Hitler thought he had good intentions too! So maybe he was kinda cool, but maybe not? We can't say for sure, we didn't meet the guy. Right?

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#25  Edited By Julmust

@Getz: So if I compare one totalitarian and extreme political regime that haunted many people to another that seems totally uncalled for?

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#26  Edited By TheDudeOfGaming

Stalin was a ruler with an iron fist, the kind of ruler Russia needed in WWII....then again, he did kill most of the Red Army officers in his purges...so it's kind of his fault for the catastrophic losses...but the dude got the job done!

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#27  Edited By Flawed_System

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

He wanted to create a super race, he exterminated those that were terminally ill, mentally disabled, "asocial" etc. Not just Jewish people. This new race would live in a utopian society and prosper greatly under his rule (that was the plan at least). So technically Hitler also wanted prosperity and he certainly was passionate if you watch/read any of his speeches.

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#28  Edited By gamefreak9

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

But Hitler thought he had good intentions too! So maybe he was kinda cool, but maybe not? We can't say for sure, we didn't meet the guy. Right?

Well that's our opinion don't you see? I don't think Hitler had good intentions... good job to him for being so passionate about it though. Though I agree with Stalin's intentions which are something like "lets help everybody prosper!"

On actions though, I disagree with Stalin for using violent methods to achieve his intentions. And Hitler well... its kind of hard to achieve his goal without using violent methods so I can understand them being that way... its not possible to commit a genocide without using violence.

@Flawed_System said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

He wanted to create a super race, he exterminated those that were terminally ill, mentally disabled, "asocial" etc. Not just Jewish people. This new race would live in a utopian society and prosper greatly under his rule (that was the plan at least). So technically Hitler also wanted prosperity and he certainly was passionate if you watch/read any of his speeches.

Yeah I guess your right, he did want prosperity, I just don't consider that to be prosperity so I can't support him. However I do consider everyone being able to put food on the table the "right" kind of prosperity.

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#29  Edited By Azteck
@gamefreak9: Are you just an elaborate troll or something? You have no actual points backing your arguments that, as far as I can see, only aim to say differently than the original comment posted. If you want people to actually take you seriously in a debate, come with some solid facts instead of simply saying "try looking outside of the box bro", because honestly, it's just silly.
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#30  Edited By gamefreak9

@Azteck: Um My arguments come out if I am arguing against something that requires them. What am I arguing for? Its obvious he wanted to create prosperity for his people... and its obvious he was violent. I think the burden is on you... also why am I the troll and not you?

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#31  Edited By Pibo47

Yeah, not saying the US is perfect, but i dont even know how someone can even compare the two. Stalin was a fucking monster.

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#32  Edited By TheHumanDove

yeah brodawg, stalin was a good role model and stuff. I liked his hat brosef, really cool hat, you know what I meann dawggg!?

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#33  Edited By Julmust

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

But Hitler thought he had good intentions too! So maybe he was kinda cool, but maybe not? We can't say for sure, we didn't meet the guy. Right?

Well that's our opinion don't you see? I don't think Hitler had good intentions... good job to him for being so passionate about it though. Though I agree with Stalin's intentions which are something like "lets help everybody prosper!"

On actions though, I disagree with Stalin for using violent methods to achieve his intentions. And Hitler wel... its kind of hard to achieve his goal without using violent methods so I can understand them being that way... its not possible to commit a genocide without using violence.

I didn't think Hitler had good intentions. He's a disgrace to human kind as is Stalin.

The communist ideal is one of good intentions, but in reality is one of the worst things to ever happen on this earth. It affected many people in eastern europe. I don't think it's morally acceptable to kind of say "eh, he meant well at least!" because that could be said about whatever shit you may come up with.

Edit: And yeah, not just eastern europe, but you know. I thank my nordic brothers in the east, the Finbros, for stopping the russians. Talvisota, we'll never forget.

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#34  Edited By InternetCrab

Can somebody lock this thread? MB, help us!

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#35  Edited By Azteck
@gamefreak9: Because, as I said, all you seem to do is disagree with people for the sake of disagreeing with them, thus riling some form of argument. Nevertheless, I'll take the bait. 
 
How can you be so sure of his, as you see it, good intentions when he let his people starve, sat by as horrible crimes were committed against his people. The ends do not always justify the means, and letting his people suffer through that for the sake of what was said to be development for the future of Russia is not something a sane person would do. He ruled the country with an iron fist, and people had no say in the decisions made despite how much it affected them. That's another reason communism can't possibly work. Humans, by nature, seek to be dominant above other creatures, be it humans or animals. Having a society where everyone has the same worth, governed by a race that will undoubtedly seek a way to becoming more powerful than their peers is insanity. It cannot be done in the way that it was intended, especially not by a man such as Stalin.
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#36  Edited By l4wd0g

Yeah, communism is great just ask the working class of China, North Korea, USSR, and East Germany . Those people love that shit...

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#37  Edited By gamefreak9

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

@Jolt92 said:

@gamefreak9 said:

Dammit I can't find the fam guy clip with the communists!

Anw never met the guy so I can't judge, though while he was running the Soviet Union, it was prosperous, I might not like his methods but he does get results, and he was very passionate(from what I see in his writings)

Do you think the same thing about Hitler?

um no, I think Hitler was kind of pointless... I don't see much point in exterminating the jews. Stalin had a real belief in the communist feel and his goal was really to create prosperity.

But Hitler thought he had good intentions too! So maybe he was kinda cool, but maybe not? We can't say for sure, we didn't meet the guy. Right?

Well that's our opinion don't you see? I don't think Hitler had good intentions... good job to him for being so passionate about it though. Though I agree with Stalin's intentions which are something like "lets help everybody prosper!"

On actions though, I disagree with Stalin for using violent methods to achieve his intentions. And Hitler wel... its kind of hard to achieve his goal without using violent methods so I can understand them being that way... its not possible to commit a genocide without using violence.

I didn't think Hitler had good intentions.

The communist ideal is one of good intentions, but in reality is one of the worst things to ever happen on this earth. It affected many people in eastern europe. I don't think it's morally acceptable to kind of say "eh, he meant well at least!" because that could be said about whatever shit you may come up with.

What do you mean? Aren't intentions the only thing we give credit to? "At least he tried!", I probably hear this at least once a week. There's people who have good "personal" intentions though I consider Stalin's to be selfless. For instance a serial killer might have good intentions in his own head... to make himself feel better but these are selfish intentions. Stalin wasn't at all like that, he had a noble goal but turned into a monster pursuing it.

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#38  Edited By szlifier

Stalin'

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#39  Edited By Harkat

@mustachioeugene said:

I'd love it if we could talk about him, but everyone seems to keep stallin' the conversation.

...

...I'll show myself out.

No, please, stay.

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#42  Edited By gamer_152  Moderator

This thread really isn't the kind of thing we want to encourage on the forum. Locked.