@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft. 2. the difference between nothing and the amount a major label leaves you with is negligible enough to not even exist.
@JasonR86: Scapegoat? They did bad things, things that fucked with the industry. How are they scapegoats?
The people behind limewire created a service thousands upon thousands of people took advantage of. As a whole, the people behind limewire and all of its users collectively broke the law. If this were truly a just ruling all of those users would share the consequences with the creators of limewire. As it is now, those creators are taking on all of the consequences alone. Thus, they are scapegoats for all of the users' misdemeanors.
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
Would you agree that their idea of "I think something is over-priced so it is okay to steal it", is just as outrageous as our "pirating is illegal and you are screwing over the creative minds that made the product"?
This whole debate is rather frustrating. I wanted to avoid this thread, but the subtle hostility in these posts are frustrating.
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft.
I am dumbfounded by your idiocy and refuse to continue this conversation based on the fact that you apparently don't live within the boundaries corresponding with reality.
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft.
I am dumbfounded by your idiocy and refuse to continue this conversation based on the fact that you apparently don't live within the boundaries corresponding with reality.
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theft = original is lost piracy of music = original is duplicated
@JasonR86: I would agree if they ended up paying the full $1.4 Billion, ie the full damages, but they are paying their share, not everyone elses. If anything, I think they got off easy. I'd love to see everyone who has ever touched limewire in their life be fined and held responsible, but they aren't a scapegoat. Just the only ones they could reach.
Piracy is fucking over industry just like over pricing, under paying, job shipping bullshit. When you pirate, you give them incentive to be MORE asshole-ish than even before, you make it less likely for developers and artists to create content that is worthwhile, harder to get that content, and you directly prevent them from getting money. Just like when you refuse to pay workers a decent wage, or worse, you ship them over seas to markets you don't have a single interest in, then the people who ARE in your market can't buy your shit, so you feel the need to make things even WORSE.
Oh...the sarcasm didn't come through the internet. Form what I've read on here I wouldn't be surprised if someone believe that.
@MordeaniisChaos said:
@JasonR86: I would agree if they ended up paying the full $1.4 Billion, ie the full damages, but they are paying their share, not everyone elses. If anything, I think they got off easy. I'd love to see everyone who has ever touched limewire in their life be fined and held responsible, but they aren't a scapegoat. Just the only ones they could reach.Piracy is fucking over industry just like over pricing, under paying, job shipping bullshit. When you pirate, you give them incentive to be MORE asshole-ish than even before, you make it less likely for developers and artists to create content that is worthwhile, harder to get that content, and you directly prevent them from getting money. Just like when you refuse to pay workers a decent wage, or worse, you ship them over seas to markets you don't have a single interest in, then the people who ARE in your market can't buy your shit, so you feel the need to make things even WORSE.
I didn't realize the full damages was $1.4 billion. I was surprised that the suit only came to $105 million. Maybe monetarily they aren't complete scapegoats they are still taking the brunt of the punishment for other people's crimes. At least to me.
i honestly dont care if im downloading music for free if the artist is signed to a major label... theyre already getting money from suckers buying all that shitty merch and singles so why should i care? however, if i actually care about that artist i would go out to HMV to buy the album. but im just one person, i know the music industry is going to shit anyways
also: if limewire, a peer-to-peer network, can be held responsible, why not go after google while you're at it?
Mind pointing out the similarities between Google and Limewire?
sure. neither of them host the files, they just point you in their direction.
I assume you're talking about Google's Youtube? Youtube does host the files. And they've found a way for advertisements to pay the artists/labels their share of the profits. Limewire didn't pay them anything.
also: if limewire, a peer-to-peer network, can be held responsible, why not go after google while you're at it?
Mind pointing out the similarities between Google and Limewire?
sure. neither of them host the files, they just point you in their direction.
I assume you're talking about Google's Youtube? Youtube does host the files. And they've found a way for advertisements to pay the artists/labels their share of the profits. Limewire didn't pay them anything.
no, i mean google itself. you can type in something like "michael jackson's HIStory mediafire" and it'd give you a link to a direct download from mediafire.
I make music, I know it's a pain in the ass recording, mixing and mastering, so all I can say to people who try to get it for free is.....go fuck yourself.
pretty crazy that they finally got sued and finished with that. direct downloads and torrents are now the way to go. i don't know why but labels just need to look up torrents and BAM you get a bunch of websites to download stuff. i don't think there is going to be a way to stop piracy. people are going to find a way to get around to share it with the world.
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft. 2. the difference between nothing and the amount a major label leaves you with is negligible enough to not even exist.
@MordeaniisChaos: Your over looking one thing. All the while you and the other warriors are happy to pay there wages those that do steal continue to reap the benefits. For free.
So really by paying for music, you are encouraging people to pirate. Shame on you.
edit: Also I'm seeing no indication of the music industry being "fucked over" or going down the toilet or whatever. I'm listening to more music now than i ever have done.
@MordeaniisChaos: Your over looking one thing. All the while you and the other warriors are happy to pay there wages those that do steal continue to reap the benefits. For free. So really by paying for music, you are encouraging people to pirate. Shame on you.
There is also suggestive evidence that the ability to buy single tracks rather than full albums affected overall music revenue.
That right this is the sole reason why the record company is broke IMO, yea you spend a ton of money making a whole album and then Little Johny only buys the 3 singles off the album for $3... Stupidest deal they could have ever come up with to sell music.
I remember AC/DC being asked why they don't have there stuff on Itunes and they said something along the lines of because we sell records not singles.
Record companies are just not doing things correctly, and thats why there losing money.
@HandsomeDead: Out of all that I said thats the only thing you noticed! I'm just saying they obviously have a point with the whole Itunes sales plan for music.
Pirating music is still cool? When music labels were ridiculously overcharging for music, fine, but there's no excuse now.
We should be pirating eBooks now. Digital books shouldn't cost twice as much as hardcover dead tree versions.
Didn't you hear? Nearly every eBook is available online if you know where to look (in PDF and ePub, mostly). Most eBooks aren't all that expensive compared to the on-paper versions, so I doubt you could try to justify it by saying they're overpriced. Still, I think the ideal price for an eBook is about $5, not the $8-10 usually charged (which is still less than the $15-30 charged for hardcovers in bookstores).
People who use Limewire or Torrents for anything other than porn need to get a life.Good job labels. I was wondering how long it would take you to take down Limewire.
What a pathetic statement.
The music industry is a joke. You still can't get either 320kbps or FLAC content digitally, at least not a lot of it.
@MordeaniisChaos: Your over looking one thing. All the while you and the other warriors are happy to pay there wages those that do steal continue to reap the benefits. For free. So really by paying for music, you are encouraging people to pirate. Shame on you.edit: Also I'm seeing no indication of the music industry being "fucked over" or going down the toilet or whatever. I'm listening to more music now than i ever have done.
What are you, fourteen? Fifteen?
@Toms115 said:
@Axxol said:
@Toms115 said:
@Hailinel said:
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft. 2. the difference between nothing and the amount a major label leaves you with is negligible enough to not even exist.
People who use Limewire or Torrents for anything other than porn need to get a life.Good job labels. I was wondering how long it would take you to take down Limewire.
That makes no sense. Why is pirating porn acceptable? It's still pirating.
@MordeaniisChaos: Your over looking one thing. All the while you and the other warriors are happy to pay there wages those that do steal continue to reap the benefits. For free. So really by paying for music, you are encouraging people to pirate. Shame on you.edit: Also I'm seeing no indication of the music industry being "fucked over" or going down the toilet or whatever. I'm listening to more music now than i ever have done.
What are you, fourteen? Fifteen?
@Toms115 said:
@Axxol said:
@Toms115 said:
@Hailinel said:
@Toms115: Uh, no.When labels take a cut, the artist still receives money in the end.By stealing, you are ensuring that no one is receiving any money at all.
1. piracy isn't theft. 2. the difference between nothing and the amount a major label leaves you with is negligible enough to not even exist.
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