NSA and FBI tell web firms to turn over passwords.

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YO NSA YOU READIN' THIS? GO FUCK YOURSELF

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Privacy doesn't mean shit anymore.

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Privacy doesn't mean shit anymore.

in the blink of an eye.

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@jakob187 said:

@slag said:

Well ten+ character passwords including special characters sounds like a better practice than ever.

This is seriously messed up, the gov't is badly overstepping its' constitutional powers here and this will affect my choices come election time. The Patriot Act is the least patriotic Act in American History imo.

Very disappointed.

You act like what you think or vote during election time still matters. That's cute.

Of course it does. Do you really think the parties lobbyists and special interest groups would be spending ever escalating billions to influence the outcome of said votes if it didn't? And you certainly can't tell me it doesn't matter on city level, I've seen initiatives pass by less than 30 votes in my municipality.

If you are one of the people who knows there is a problem but isn't voting to reflect your dissatisfaction, then you are part of the problem. Washington would rather you didn't vote, It'd be cheaper for them allowing them to pocket more unused campaign funds for personal gain and makes the populace easier to control, so you if aren't you are giving them exactly what they want.

If enough people bothered to vote for third parties, we would have a considerably better chance of holding the politicians accountable to the people not K-Street. Nobody should remain in power with a consistent 11% approval like Congress has in a democratic republic.

If you won't vote which is about the easiest thing you can ever do, then for god's sake at least do something. Just don't be passive while our country and way of life is in trouble.

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#57  Edited By Jeust

Obama you are a world shattering disappointment! ideals of freedom and equality destroyed by someone people believed to bring the much needed change to this corrupt generation and system.

It's getting harder to believe someone these days... Good going for making the world a worse place to live in.

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@jeust said:

Obama you are a world shattering disappointment! ideals of freedom and equality destroyed by someone people believed to bring the much needed change to this corrupt generation and system.

It's getting harder to believe someone these days... Good going for making the world a worse place to live in.

Well he DID promise change.....

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BOMB BOMB TERROR TERROR BLOW UP BLOW UP USA USA USA

Hi NSA guy!

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#60  Edited By colourful_hippie

@jeust said:

Obama you are a world shattering disappointment! ideals of freedom and equality destroyed by someone people believed to bring the much needed change to this corrupt generation and system.

It's getting harder to believe someone these days... Good going for making the world a worse place to live in.

Well he DID promise change.....

lol

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@slag: You're...serious? U.S. Presidents are elected by electoral college, not voters. The votes don't mean a damn thing. It's the illusion of freedom. The billions that are spent are more for traveling around and conning people into believing their bullshit. Voting for the U.S. President literally DOES NOT matter.

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I guess I shouldn't be surprised this thread attracts this kind of rhetoric. That and overdone 1984/George Orwell references (but that's been going on for so long and across so many websites it's almost unfair to point out).

Maybe it's just me but I don't see this is anything one way or another besides the intel agencies doing what they've always done going back decades and decades: pushing the boundaries to get as much of an advantage as possible during their investigations. They know it's the civies and the legislature's job to figure out the boundaries and tell them what's right and wrong because at the very least they know they have a job to do and that includes getting as much intelligence capability as possible. I'm sure it's way more nuanced than that from the inside but we unfortunately don't get that side of things except when one of them decides to write a book.

All this article basically says is the government agencies mentioned did the thing they always try to do, tech companies traditionally tell them to buzz off unless they've got the strict law in line, and a bunch of smart people weigh in on the actual legal issues which is inconsistent. One professor says it's hard to defend against such a request given a, b, and c, and another says its easy given x, y, and z.

The part that's disappointing to me is the assumption that mass amounts of generic data is actually useful in investigations. It's one thing to go through the process and get passwords during indictments of criminals during investigations/prosecutions but to just get a giant database is no guarantee of anything. What people envision as a violation of privacy from the government is mostly impotent attempts at "intelligence" gathering that leads to jack squat largely because they buy their own bullshit a bit too much. It's the two main character sneaking in a house separately and bumping into each other thinking the other one is the bad guy (one being the government and the other the public). Granted, that metaphor does a disservice to the detail of the actual intelligence gathering both good and bad but I feel a good summary of the emotion-work involved by both parties.

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@jakob187 said:

@slag: You're...serious? U.S. Presidents are elected by electoral college, not voters. The votes don't mean a damn thing. It's the illusion of freedom. The billions that are spent are more for traveling around and conning people into believing their bullshit. Voting for the U.S. President literally DOES NOT matter.

I mean, when you either vote for A or B, both of which were not picked by you, how the fuck does it matter who you vote for?

There's no goddamn C. What kind of country only has two parties to vote for? It's always boggled my mind, man.

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@jouseldelka: There is a C, but the mainstream media sells nothing more than A and B. Unfortunately, it doesn't matter in the end because it's all fucked.

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#66  Edited By stonyman65

@jakob187 said:

@slag: You're...serious? U.S. Presidents are elected by electoral college, not voters. The votes don't mean a damn thing. It's the illusion of freedom. The billions that are spent are more for traveling around and conning people into believing their bullshit. Voting for the U.S. President literally DOES NOT matter.

I mean, when you either vote for A or B, both of which were not picked by you, how the fuck does it matter who you vote for?

There's no goddamn C. What kind of country only has two parties to vote for? It's always boggled my mind, man.

That's the exact problem that people like me are trying to fix. Don't vote for either of them.

Vote for a 3rd party or don't vote at all. Until we get enough people to vote for a party that isn't Republican or Democrat, nothing will ever change.

And to the people who say "I won't vote for a 3rd party because they'll never win anyway" is just part of the problem and making everything worse. Enjoy having your freedoms taken away, you cowards.

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@stonyman65: I don't vote. It's a pointless endeavor in our system. Locally, it's a different story, and I let their character and what they plan on doing make that decision. I could give a shit less about a party. I don't associate with one.

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@jouseldelka said:

@jakob187 said:

@slag: You're...serious? U.S. Presidents are elected by electoral college, not voters. The votes don't mean a damn thing. It's the illusion of freedom. The billions that are spent are more for traveling around and conning people into believing their bullshit. Voting for the U.S. President literally DOES NOT matter.

I mean, when you either vote for A or B, both of which were not picked by you, how the fuck does it matter who you vote for?

There's no goddamn C. What kind of country only has two parties to vote for? It's always boggled my mind, man.

That's the exact problem that people like me are trying to fix. Don't vote for either of them.

Vote for a 3rd party or don't vote at all. Until we get enough people to vote for a party that isn't Republican or Democrat, nothing will ever change.

And to the people who say "I won't vote for a 3rd party because they'll never win anyway" is just part of the problem and making everything worse. Enjoy having your freedoms taken away, you cowards.

I wanted to vote for Jill Stein but Nevada did not have her on the ballet D:

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#69  Edited By Simplexity

The terrorists won you guys.