" Oh sweet Jesus. Granted, he is doing a service to the South Koreans and stuff, but I do not want to wake up some morning to hear that the US, and therefore the UK, are in a war against North Korea. Korea likely is allied with other countries... Russia anyone? And considering the nuclear capabilities of Korea, there's a chance they'll get the first nukes off in a nuclear war. China really should be the country to deal with this considering the fact they are neighbouring countries.. But apparently America polices the world for those who aren't willing to do it themselves. Fair play to Obama though - it takes some balls to tell troops news like that. "I'd find it far more likely that North Korea is not aligned with anyone anymore, especially in their own region. Russia is too deeply invested in post EU capitalism to wade in and it's really a lot simpler for everyone if NK goes out like a rogue state. Kim Jong Il's messages in the press have done a lot of damage to NK's geopolitical future.
Obama Tells Military To Be Prepared For War In Korea
Maybe now Obama will go over to DPRK and personally apologize for the US this time too. lol
But seriously, scary stuff, but if DPRK does start shit, then the whole war will basically be another Desert Storm. We will go in with SK aides and destroy them. I'll give it 2 months tops.
The only way they would is if North Korea had nukes. If they fired them they would be a big crater before they could realise what they have done. I hope North Korea aren't stupid enough to awaken the sleeping giant, they wouldn't stand a chance. I just hope South Korea and America can deal with it themselves, the US spends more on it's military than anybody else in the world put together. They shouldn't need anybody else's help.
" @KaosAngel said:I can't believe you. So you think Charlie, who is a kind who lives in Queens and has no money, should see his mother die of cancer because you can't stand to live a tad less comfortably? Amazing." @Snail: No, becuase people who do make that much feel that they are paying for it. Most people in that income bracket have business health care or have their own, and don't see why their system has to break down. You need to see it from their perspective too, they end up paying more now. "Exactly. As for the actual topic of this thread...it was bound to happen, sooner or later. "
" OH SHI-....CRYSIS IS ABOUT TO BECOME REALITY! Calling it now, joint allied forces utilising nanosuit technology to invade North Korea. It is on! "That was actually the exact same thing I thought when I saw this.
Anyways, I hope this doesn't escalate in to a big war, it probably won't, but you never know.
Guys, you have to understand how it works. Nk's leaders are not stupid. They will not risk open war because they know they will be annihilated. But the survival of the regime depends, completely and utterly, on them appearing to be a big world player thumbing their nose at everyone. This is a show of "strength", of which there have been a huge number over the years, designed to reinforce the idea that the regime is strong, especially at a time when Kim Jong Il is clearly deteriorating in health and needs to secure the succession. Even if he were crazy enough to try it, and he isn't, China would stop all economic support and their entire army would grind to a starvation induced halt within a day. These belligerent acts are not to frighten the US, or China, or the ROK. They are for internal consumption only.
" @FrankCanada97 said:" @some1 said:Sweden is at war right now. "" @ryanwho said:Actually Sweden is the oldest neutral country in the world, haven't fought a war since 1814. "" @Xolare said:Dont you mean Switzerland "" Am I the only one thing "About fucking time?" "@ninjakiller said:" About time. "Not to say I think this is a war the US should necessarily be fighting (just assisting) its absolutely a worthy cause when you consider the humanitarian disaster that is North Korea. You can't claim to be a humanitarian then sit around while the kind of shit happening in N. Korea is being allowed to happen. Its kind of like Sweden claiming to be peaceful because they didn't take a side in WW2. "
Sorry, was too general. Hasn't been involved in a formally declared war since 1814.
Well maybe now we won't have war games set in world war II all the time. But seriously hopefully shit doesn't hit the fan thankfully Ireland will just play it neutral but help out on the sly.
These may also be a good time to plug this video documentary about what its like in North Korea as Shane Smith bribes officials to allow him across the border and *check* out the country and to be honest shits crazy over there as he said its like stepping into ''the land time forgot''. Linkfied!! (2 exlamation marks so you know i'm serious) The dude also reminds me of the GB crew. To see the other parts replace the 1 in the url with a 2.
I think it's far safer if South Korea worked with China for a settlement. The threat of nuclear weapons is too risky for such a direct confrontation. At least Pyongyang have severed ties with Seoul instead of attacking the situation. Japan might even get involved too, come to think of it.
There WILL NOT BE A WAR. N. Korea may be crazy but they aren't suicidal. Nobody, not even N. Korea wants a war, this is just simple posturing from both sides. Hell nobody has even mentioned conflict or war in their vocabulary, even N. Korea who usually happily take the blame for stuff like this is willing to cooperate with the investigation to an extent to prove their "innocence".
S. Korea is going for more sanctions from the UN not preparing for war. So I don't get why the OP decided to post a misleading title like this.
Look Here is what's going to happen.
- South Korea goes to the UN to impose stricter sanctions
- China decides not to veto and the UN put more sanctions to further isolate an already isolated country
- N. Korea makes some empty threats and test fires a few rockets in response to the sanctions
- As a response the US and S. Korea put their military on full alert
- A few days go by and N. Korea backs off
- The US and S. Korea also back off
- End of Crisis no war
- 2-3 years later we do it all over again
This has been going on for decades so I don't get why everyone is acting like its something new.
Would be awesome. Hope they re-instate the draft too. Get rid of all the damn teens in my neighborhood. Would also be fun to watch something interesting on the evening news. Yesterday's top story was some old guy pretending to be a general.
Pretty awesome to live in a time, where major wars are just news to watch. I like how no war has ever touched my life in anyway other then entertainment.
I look forward to the string of War movies that will be made. I lubs war movies! Hope we get a sweet anti-war movie like Apocolypse Now or Platoon too. Those are great!
" say a full on war does break out, does any one think it will go nuclear? I'm not 100 percent on what North Korea apparently have or don't have. Or America for that matter. "God I hope not. All hell will break loose if Korea uses a bomb. War is bad enough with out them. i really hope there is no need to ever use them again. If one is ever used, WW3 is prob around the corner.
" These may also be a good time to plug this video documentary about what its like in North Korea as Shane Smith bribes officalls to allow him across the border and *check* out the country and to be honest shits crazy over there as he said its like stepping into ''the land time forgot''. Linkfied!! To see the other parts replace the 1 in the url with a 2. "Thanks. I was fascinated watching this. Something made me feel very sad when they covered the "Tea Lady". You could see she was subdued, yet extremely happy for human contact. My God, how lonely it must be. I can't help but imagine her just going back to what she was doing before they arrived, knowing that it will be a damn long time before anyone else visits.
" There WILL NOT BE A WAR. N. Korea may be crazy but they aren't suicidal. Nobody, not even N. Korea wants a war, this is just simple posturing from both sides. Hell nobody has even mentioned conflict or war in their vocabulary, even N. Korea who usually happily take the blame for stuff like this is willing to cooperate with the investigation to an extent to prove their "innocence".haha this is too perfect
S. Korea is going for more sanctions from the UN not preparing for war. So I don't get why the OP decided to post a misleading title like this.
Look Here is what's going to happen.This has been going on for decades so I don't get why everyone is acting like its something new. "
- South Korea goes to the UN to impose stricter sanctions
- China decides not to veto and the UN put more sanctions to further isolate an already isolated country
- N. Korea makes some empty threats and test fires a few rockets in response to the sanctions
- As a response the US and S. Korea put their military on full alert
- A few days go by and N. Korea backs off
- The US and S. Korea also back off
- End of Crisis no war
- 2-3 years later we do it all over again
" @Dylabaloo said:Its cool glad you watched it! But you should really thank the dudes at screened.com for mentioning it in there podcast also thought It was pretty cool hearing this news just after I watched it. Yeah poor Tea Lady she looked like she was having so much fun as well finally playing table tennis, shows bleak life must be there keeping up this sharade that everything is perfect . The Anti-American videos that people were watching while he was on the boat was pretty funny. Atleast know you know! And Knowing is half the battle!" These may also be a good time to plug this video documentary about what its like in North Korea as Shane Smith bribes officalls to allow him across the border and *check* out the country and to be honest shits crazy over there as he said its like stepping into ''the land time forgot''. Linkfied!! To see the other parts replace the 1 in the url with a 2. "Thanks. I was fascinated watching this. Something made me feel very sad when they covered the "Tea Lady". You could see she was subdued, yet extremely happy for human contact. My God, how lonely it must be. I can't help but imagine her just going back to what she was doing before they arrived, knowing that it will be a damn long time before anyone else visits. "
Well it is the one country that should be brought down...I mean Iran? Come on. The can barely launch a missile across the street. Korea can Nuke anyone in the world if they wanted.
" @IIChristian89II said:Never going to happen. The second Korea uses a bomb, the US would retalliate and use them back until there's nothing left of the country." say a full on war does break out, does any one think it will go nuclear? I'm not 100 percent on what North Korea apparently have or don't have. Or America for that matter. "God I hope not. All hell will break loose if Korea uses a bomb. War is bad enough with out them. i really hope there is no need to ever use them again. If one is ever used, WW3 is prob around the corner. "
This is why there was a cold war with Russia way back when. Both sides know they can kill one another, but the second they do, they'll be taken out themselves. It's literally suicide.
Great. Now instead of waiting twenty more years for North Korea to starve itself to death like the USSR, we're going to invoke a war with a crazy dictator that has possible access to high-yield nuclear weapons. Can you say bye-bye American-Asian foreign relations?
JB16, I wouldn't be so fast to write off war with North Korea. Your outline works when our President has common sense, but I think Obama has proved over the past two years that common sense is something he's somewhat lacking. And I'm sure the North Korean leadership is insane enough to risk nuclear devastation to try and take Seoul, if they actually decided to go through with their aggression.
The situation is not getting any better. North Korea is officially severing all diplomatic ties with South Korea. They're also expelling South Korean workers from a joint industrial zone.
News article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/25/north-korea-cuts-ties-south
Pyongyang expels South Koreans in shared industrial zone as tit-for-tat row unravels last remnants of engagement policy
South Korean soldiers conduct a military drill near the demilitarized zone. Photograph: Reuters
North Korea today hit back at Seoul by announcing it would sever all links, escalating the standoff over accusations that the North sank a South's warship.
North Korea's state news agency KCNA also reported that Pyongyang would expel all South Koreans from a joint-industrial zone in Kaesong, near the border.
The announcement, leaves relations at their worst point for years. It came as a monitoring group in Seoul reported that the North Korean leader, Kim Jong-il, last week ordered his military to prepare for war in case the South attacks. Military officials in Seoul were unable to confirm the report, and said they had detected no unusual troop movements.
The North's statement followed and announcement by South Korea's president, Lee Myong-bak, that Seoul would suspend trade, ban Northern ships from its waters and take Pyongyang to the UN security council. This, he announced that Seoul would redesignate the North as its "main enemy" – a term it dropped six years ago, when relations were thawing.
Citing the Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of Korea, KCNA said Pyongyang would engage in no dialogue or contact while Lee was in power; he is due to leave office in 2013.
Relations on the divided peninsula deteriorated sharply after he became president last year, ending his predecessor's "sunshine policy" of free-flowing aid to the North.
KCNA described the retaliation as a response to Seoul's "smear campaign" – the accusation, based on a report by an international team, that a Northern torpedo caused the sinking in March of the Cheonan, which killed 46 people. Pyongyang denies any involvement.
Scott Snyder, director of the centre for US-Korea policy at the Asia Foundation, in Washington, said: "This is really the last phase of unwinding of this policy of engagement that had been in place between the Koreas since 1998. There is a level of hostility and lack of interaction that is unprecedented in that [12-year] period." .
He added: "The North Koreans view Lee Myong-bak's lack of commitment to the policy as the main source of conflict [that] has led to this set of events. That view is obviously not shared in South Korea."
Despite rising alarm at the tit-for-tat developments, analysts believe neither side wants military action, fearing the cost would prove too great. But they warn there is a risk of skirmishes, and that these could get out of hand.
Professor Hazel Smith, a North Korea expert at Cranfield University, said: "Wars sometimes happen by accident, or because you have escalation and no one can control it. It's a very dangerous position that everyone is in. .
"With all the communications channels being closed down, there is a lot of room for escalation by default."
But she added: "At some point, they will resume talking to each other, because there are no other options."
Several analysts have suggested that the North's proposal to send a team to investigate the sinking – a suggestion the South rejected – may have been intended as an opportunity for talks as well as propaganda.
Experts said the announcement appeared to mean Southern NGOs would no longer be able to work in the North, spelling an end to low-level economic and, in some cases, government links.
It also spells an end to hopes of reviving cross-border reunions between families split by the border at the end of the 1950-53 war.
Hillary Clinton called stability on the Korean peninsula a "shared responsibility" of China and the US as she wrapped up two days of strategic and economic bilateral talks in Beijing today, adding: "No one is more concerned about peace and stability in this region than the Chinese."
She said she believed her counterparts "understand the gravity of this situation", citing what she called productive and detailed conversations.
But one state counsellor, Dai Bingguo, merely repeated China's call for both sides to act calmly and refrain from escalating tension.
Clinton will tomorrow discuss the response with Lee as she visits Seoul, where the Chinese premier, Wen Jiabao, is due to visit on Friday.
Lee's office said the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, had said in a telephone call he "understands well" South Korea's moves, and would try to give an "appropriate signal" to North Korea.
The South's military resumed propaganda radio broadcasts across the border this morning after a six-year hiatus, with programmes airing news, western music and comparisons of the political and economic situations on the two parts of the peninsula.
The psychological warfare will enrage the North, which has warned it will fire at any propaganda facilities in the demilitarised zone.
This is worse than the Cold War because during that era only the major countries had nukes, now everyone has them. If anyone uses a nuke it will literally end the world because of all of the retaliation that'll go down. All it's gonna take to end the world is one crazy dictator with a nuke (North Korea).
" @JB16 said:Damn I feel ashamed for not adding that step in lol." There WILL NOT BE A WAR. N. Korea may be crazy but they aren't suicidal. Nobody, not even N. Korea wants a war, this is just simple posturing from both sides. Hell nobody has even mentioned conflict or war in their vocabulary, even N. Korea who usually happily take the blame for stuff like this is willing to cooperate with the investigation to an extent to prove their "innocence".This. But you need to add "Kim Jong-il proclaims victory" "
S. Korea is going for more sanctions from the UN not preparing for war. So I don't get why the OP decided to post a misleading title like this.
Look Here is what's going to happen.This has been going on for decades so I don't get why everyone is acting like its something new. "
- South Korea goes to the UN to impose stricter sanctions
- China decides not to veto and the UN put more sanctions to further isolate an already isolated country
- N. Korea makes some empty threats and test fires a few rockets in response to the sanctions
- As a response the US and S. Korea put their military on full alert
- A few days go by and N. Korea backs off
- The US and S. Korea also back off
- End of Crisis no war
- 2-3 years later we do it all over again
" This is worse than the Cold War because during that era only the major countries had nukes, now everyone has them. If anyone uses a nuke it will literally end the world because of all of the retaliation that'll go down. All it's gonna take to end the world is one crazy dictator with a nuke (North Korea). "The countries with Nuclear Weapons are U.S., UK, China, North Korea, Pakistan, France, Russia, and India.
" @one_2nd said:Israel." This is worse than the Cold War because during that era only the major countries had nukes, now everyone has them. If anyone uses a nuke it will literally end the world because of all of the retaliation that'll go down. All it's gonna take to end the world is one crazy dictator with a nuke (North Korea). "The countries with Nuclear Weapons are U.S., UK, China, North Korea, Pakistan, France, Russia, and India. "
Drop one nuke on Kim's palace. War over. Dictatorship over. The Kim regime is the sole source of power in N Korea and his personal guard are the only ones holding it all together. Kill them and you free the country.
Not that either option is realistic. Both the Chinese and South Koreans have a vested interest in the survival of the regime in NK. The issue for them is containment, not liberation.
" @one_2nd said:Whoa whoa whoa WHOA hold on! France has nukes? Since when? The hell." This is worse than the Cold War because during that era only the major countries had nukes, now everyone has them. If anyone uses a nuke it will literally end the world because of all of the retaliation that'll go down. All it's gonna take to end the world is one crazy dictator with a nuke (North Korea). "The countries with Nuclear Weapons are U.S., UK, China, North Korea, Pakistan, France, Russia, and India. "
Are you fucking kidding me?" @EpicSteve said:
" @one_2nd said:Whoa whoa whoa WHOA hold on! France has nukes? Since when? The hell. "" This is worse than the Cold War because during that era only the major countries had nukes, now everyone has them. If anyone uses a nuke it will literally end the world because of all of the retaliation that'll go down. All it's gonna take to end the world is one crazy dictator with a nuke (North Korea). "The countries with Nuclear Weapons are U.S., UK, China, North Korea, Pakistan, France, Russia, and India. "
Have you never heard of Nuclear testing in the pacific?
The fuck are they teaching you in school?
It's a sore subject in New Zealand.
Instead of testing in some desert they test nukes in a beautiful pacific atoll,
Pacific experiments center (1966–1996)
A total of 193 nuclear tests were carried out in Polynesia from 1966 to 1996.
Fucking bastards.
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