Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever.
Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.
"Right. Because the September 11th attacks were responsible for every single one of Bush's bad decisions.Every one.He has no responsibility for his own actions. It's all Bin Laden's fault.That makes sense."
No but because of 9/11 he was forced to make decisions that never would have been made otherwise.
You are right that Bush probably got more blame than he deserved, but that's not suprising. After his invasion of Iraq, he lost all of the sympathy he got after the 9/11 attacks. I personally will never forgive him for "heck of a job Brownie". But he was trying to do a good job, just often failed. However, no one knows whether Obamas budget and stimulus are going to work or not, and he's only been in office for 60 days. The hope is that spending money will create money, and it's a very reasonable strategy, especially when you consider that in some states one in ten people are out of work.
You are right that Bush probably got more blame than he deserved, but that's not suprising. After his invasion of Iraq, he lost all of the sympathy he got after the 9/11 attacks. I personally will never forgive him for "heck of a job Brownie". But he was trying to do a good job, just often failed. However, no one knows whether Obamas budget and stimulus are going to work or not, and he's only been in office for 60 days. The hope is that spending money will create money, and it's a very reasonable strategy, especially when you consider that in some states one in ten people are out of work.
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I just hope it does work or my generation of teenagers will be paying off a $10 trillion deficit till we die.
Well, I read what you said, and I can see where you are coming from. The 9/11 attacks were absolutely terrible, I actually live right down the street from where they used to be. But I don't believe that Bush did everything that he could have done to help. It was mostly volunteers who were cleaning up the mess, but the people searching were from the government. But anyways about Obama. It's not really about how much money he has put us in debt. The fact that Bush left him in one of the biggest shit piles of situations is what got us to where we are. Bush would not have a chance of getting us out of this mess, so I don't think its fair to say stuff about Obama.
Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
Well that kind of leads right in to the current crisis. If we had not gone to war, especially Iraq, then we would not be even close to the debt we had when Obama took office, and by then it was a slippery slope. The current president just has to try to reverse the current process. Things would be even worse had he done nothing.
I'm glad he was distracted by the wars. Who the fuck knows what that chimpanzee would have done domestically if he weren't pre-occupied. He did enough.
"I'm glad he was distracted by the wars. Who the fuck knows what that chimpanzee would have done domestically if he weren't pre-occupied. He did enough."
It's judgemental people like you that piss me off. That's just it you don't know what the fuck he would have done. It could have been good.
"I'm glad he was distracted by the wars. Who the fuck knows what that chimpanzee would have done domestically if he weren't pre-occupied. He did enough."
It's judgemental people like you that piss me off. That's just it you don't know what the fuck he would have done. It could have been good."
Yes. Empowering more religious organizations, creating an even more transparent theocracy (I like to pretend we aren't one, sometimes), limiting scientific progress and education based on backwards thinking standards... he managed to do that much in his time as president. What more could he have done? We can only imagine.
"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever.
Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
alright next time someone bombs us we'll just be like "its ok it cool don't worry about it" moron
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
alright next time someone bombs us we'll just be like "its ok it cool don't worry about it" moron"
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
alright next time someone bombs us we'll just be like "its ok it cool don't worry about it" moron"
He's saying it should be congress' decision, not the presidents.
"I'm glad he was distracted by the wars. Who the fuck knows what that chimpanzee would have done domestically if he weren't pre-occupied. He did enough."
It's judgemental people like you that piss me off. That's just it you don't know what the fuck he would have done. It could have been good."
Yes. Empowering more religious organizations, creating an even more transparent theocracy (I like to pretend we aren't one, sometimes), limiting scientific progress and education based on backwards thinking standards... he managed to do that much in his time as president. What more could he have done? We can only imagine."
You are being judgemental cause your basing what other "bad" things he could have done off of things that weren't his fault. That's like saying Obama is a going to be a great President cause he's black. There is no fact its just assumption.prinny_god said:
"Why_So_Serious said:
"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever.
Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.
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finally a sane person "
Thank you...its good to know there are other sane people out there too.
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
alright next time someone bombs us we'll just be like "its ok it cool don't worry about it" moron"
He's saying it should be congress' decision, not the presidents."
but its not that's one of the things the president gets to do
Even if it did (which, remember, it didn't. Unless Kuwait is American soil, which it only is informally), does that mean you should override the amendment to the Constitution that justified World War II and the Korean War?
Don't give me that shit.
The exclusive authority to declare war is solely that of Congress. It worked that way for 225 years before Bush came around. What made Iraq different? The reality that Congress would have shot it down? Well, that's too bad, because you could have saved 9 years of hell, hundreds of billions of dollars, and the deaths of thousands. You're telling me all that is worth overriding the one article of the constitution that was held in place before then?
You are being judgemental cause your basing what other "bad" things he could have done off of things that weren't his fault. That's like saying Obama is a going to be a great President cause he's black. There is no fact its just assumption.
I'm being judgemental because I know what he promised to do when he got elected, compared with what he actually accomplished while he was in office. Although, the power he tricked Congress into giving him did help him accomplish a lot of the stupid shit that he managed to "accomplish", I don't doubt that he would have been a much more dangerous president if he hadn't found some o' dem AY-RABS TO KEEL.
"Bush's evil wasn't fiscal, it was political. The President should not have the right to declare war. He got congress to give him that right under false pretenses. To me, that is still a bigger problem than the deficit, which has existed and grown for decades"
alright next time someone bombs us we'll just be like "its ok it cool don't worry about it" moron"
He's saying it should be congress' decision, not the presidents."
but its not that's one of the things the president gets to do "
He doesn't need to do that. He has enough supporters to simply drown out discontent. No secret detentions or assassinations required. Hell. Look at these forums.
"I don't believe that Bush did everything that he could have done to help."
Name someone who COULD'VE!
Dood, Bush got nailed with a major terrorist attack and two major hurricanes in an 8-year sitting. Find another President that had that much happen in their terms! So of course he wasn't able to do everything. People seem to believe that the drop of a hat gets everything done, but it doesn't work that way. It's not like he could say "send all of this over there and get it done now for aid" and it would happen.
Personally, I know I couldn't have done a better job under that kind of pressure...and I can guarantee no one else here could've either.
"I don't believe that Bush did everything that he could have done to help."
Name someone who COULD'VE!
Dood, Bush got nailed with a major terrorist attack and two major hurricanes in an 8-year sitting. Find another President that had that much happen in their terms! So of course he wasn't able to do everything. People seem to believe that the drop of a hat gets everything done, but it doesn't work that way. It's not like he could say "send all of this over there and get it done now for aid" and it would happen.
Personally, I know I couldn't have done a better job under that kind of pressure...and I can guarantee no one else here could've either.
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I think that Reagan and Bush Sr. would have both done a better job. And we had two presidents (techniclly 4) that had to deal with world wars, and a number that had to handle the Cold War. Any of those presidents handled worse than this.
"Wars are supposed to be profitable exercises.World War II ended the Great Depression, some say. Problem is now the spoils of war have to be returned to the people from the country you bombed."
The president doesn't have the power to declare wars.
What? That doesn't make any sense, you're saying that Bush gets blamed for 9-11? Who the hell would accuse him of ordering terrorists to fly planes directly into the WTC? There's plenty of ridiculous things that actually happened to blame him for, no need to make shit up.
I'm sorry, but when I see people defending Bush so fervently, I automatically assume that they must be from the south and are probably 16 or younger...most likely getting all their political beliefs from their parents. I've lived in the South all my life, and honestly I used to think like this too...I thought it was too easy to bash the president so I decided to look at the positive things. But it wasn't too long before the bad started to outweigh the good, even with my skewed political perspective. To some degree, defending Bush like this is just irrational. No matter who the president is, he will get a lot of shit from everybody. Bush got much more than really anyone else because it was an incredibly difficult situation. But if I remember correctly, more people SUPPORTED Bush directly after 911 because it was the tragedy that sort of brought the nation together because we had to rally behind who was in charge, no matter who it was. It's not like America didn't give him a chance. Even I gave him another chance because I didn't think it would be right to leave that big fucking mess for a new leader to clean up.
And maybe it's just because I live in the south but I hear more way more people bashing Obama than Bush, so I just get really fucking tired of it. He's already being blamed for everything that's going wrong and I don't think they'll ever quit complaining. Don't get me wrong, if Obama fucks up bad I won't be one to try and defend him no matter what...I just think Republicans were tired of the demonizing of their man so they're going to do it to no end for Obama. I guess I shouldn't complain because I know people will never stop bitching, it just gets old after a while...and it's coming from people who become very irrational in my eyes for supporting their side no matter how bad it fucks up.
Seriously, when I do this it's on purpose.I need to verify something, is submitter honestly suggesting that the eight years of Bush contributed nothing against the economy which had led us into this position is not entirely to blame, and Obama who has been elected to revive a dying economy is to blame for said economic problem.
I'm sorry, but if this is what you are suggesting, the image to the left suggests what will come of this stupidities.
"Wars are supposed to be profitable exercises.World War II ended the Great Depression, some say. Problem is now the spoils of war have to be returned to the people from the country you bombed."
The president doesn't have the power to declare wars.
Thought I'd make that clarification.
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I know, BoG, I made the same point to Prinny in another thread.
"I believe: Seriously, when I do this it's on purpose.I need to verify something, is submitter honestly suggesting that the eight years of Bush contributed nothing against the economy which had led us into this position is not entirely to blame, and Obama who has been elected to revive a dying economy is to blame for said economic problem.I'm sorry, but if this is what you are suggesting, the image to the left suggests what will come of this stupidities."
I know you love to bring the neo-con hate in like, every post you make (and I don't really blame you too much), but those wharrrgarbl pictures could possibly be the most annoying things I've ever seen.
"I believe: Seriously, when I do this it's on purpose.I need to verify something, is submitter honestly suggesting that the eight years of Bush contributed nothing against the economy which had led us into this position is not entirely to blame, and Obama who has been elected to revive a dying economy is to blame for said economic problem.I'm sorry, but if this is what you are suggesting, the image to the left suggests what will come of this stupidities."
I think the funny thing is that WSS was an Obama fan last year. Gotta love that.
I know you love to bring the neo-con hate in like, every post you make (and I don't really blame you too much), but those wharrrgarbl pictures could possibly be the most annoying things I've ever seen."
It is symbolic in this case, because what it says in this particular moment is "People of both sides will whine and bitch right now without merit in due time".
A call to rationality if you will. But allow me to fix said post.
I know you love to bring the neo-con hate in like, every post you make (and I don't really blame you too much), but those wharrrgarbl pictures could possibly be the most annoying things I've ever seen."
It is symbolic in this case, because what it says in this particular moment is "People of both sides will whine and bitch right now without merit in due time".A call to rationality if you will. But allow me to fix said post."
That size is more palatable (weird word...), my thanks.
I know you love to bring the neo-con hate in like, every post you make (and I don't really blame you too much), but those wharrrgarbl pictures could possibly be the most annoying things I've ever seen."
It is symbolic in this case, because what it says in this particular moment is "People of both sides will whine and bitch right now without merit in due time".A call to rationality if you will. But allow me to fix said post."
That size is more palatable (weird word...), my thanks."
I'm currently high on pain pills (A la Max Payne I've decided to replay) and my senses are somewhat out of sync. I clicked "super" and never realized it.
"I believe: Seriously, when I do this it's on purpose.I need to verify something, is submitter honestly suggesting that the eight years of Bush contributed nothing against the economy which had led us into this position is not entirely to blame, and Obama who has been elected to revive a dying economy is to blame for said economic problem.I'm sorry, but if this is what you are suggesting, the image to the left suggests what will come of this stupidities."
I think the funny thing is that WSS was an Obama fan last year. Gotta love that."
Bog: I have never been an Obama fan. You have me mixed up. Snipzor: No I never said the economy wasn't any of Bush's fault. I said he just doesnt deserve to be blamed for all of it. Suicrat: About the dick in someone's ass, your defending Obama badly, so I would say his dick is way up your damn ass.
I ask you to quote one sentence -- any sentence from my whole time as a member of the Giant Bomb community -- that evinces your notion that I'm an Obama supporter. Please bring it to my attention, I insist.
"I believe: I need to verify something, is submitter honestly suggesting that the eight years of Bush contributed nothing against the economy which had led us into this position is not entirely to blame, and Obama who has been elected to revive a dying economy is to blame for said economic problem.I'm sorry, but if this is what you are suggesting, the image to the left suggests what will come of this stupidities."
I think the funny thing is that WSS was an Obama fan last year. Gotta love that."
Bog: I have never been an Obama fan. You have me mixed up. Snipzor: No I never said the economy wasn't any of Bush's fault. I said he just doesnt deserve to be blamed for all of it. Suicrat: About the dick in someone's ass, your defending Obama badly, so I would say his dick is way up your damn ass.
Suicrat sounds like a pretty heavy libertarian dude to me (correct me if I'm wrong). Not quite the type to support a moderate-left candidate attempting to expand the govt. hugely.
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