Quit Praising Obama and Blaming Bush!

"Wow, I went from anonymous to well-known libertarian in the span of about a day and a half.I knew this broken fibula would be good for something!"

"Suicrat said:

"Wow, I went from anonymous to well-known libertarian in the span of about a day and a half.I knew this broken fibula would be good for something!"

You never said you were an Obama supporter but you talk like a huge liberal and act like a huge jackass. So why don't you grow the fuck upand quit acting like you know everything."

"Suicrat said:

"Wow, I went from anonymous to well-known libertarian in the span of about a day and a half.I knew this broken fibula would be good for something!"

You never said you were an Obama supporter but you talk like a huge liberal and act like a huge jackass."

"AgentJ said:

"Why_So_Serious said:

"Suicrat said:

"Wow, I went from anonymous to well-known libertarian in the span of about a day and a half.I knew this broken fibula would be good for something!"

You never said you were an Obama supporter but you talk like a huge liberal and act like a huge jackass. So why don't you grow the fuck upand quit acting like you know everything."

Lol, he DEFINATELY is not a liberal. You should read some of the other topics that are prominent on the off topic boards. BTW using the f bomb doesnt make you "grown up"."

If you waited I edited my post cause I knew that would come up. And I know it doesnt make you sound grown up cause I'm not trying to sound like a fake."

"jakob187 said:

"RoxasXIII said:

"I don't believe that Bush did everything that he could have done to help."

Name someone who COULD'VE!

Dood, Bush got nailed with a major terrorist attack and two major hurricanes in an 8-year sitting.  Find another President that had that much happen in their terms!  So of course he wasn't able to do everything.  People seem to believe that the drop of a hat gets everything done, but it doesn't work that way.  It's not like he could say "send all of this over there and get it done now for aid" and it would happen.

Personally, I know I couldn't have done a better job under that kind of pressure...and I can guarantee no one else here could've either."

I think that Reagan and Bush Sr. would have both done a better job. And we had two presidents (techniclly 4) that had to deal with world wars, and a number that had to handle the Cold War. Any of those presidents handled worse than this."

"AgentJ said:

"jakob187 said:

"RoxasXIII said:

"I don't believe that Bush did everything that he could have done to help."

Name someone who COULD'VE!

Dood, Bush got nailed with a major terrorist attack and two major hurricanes in an 8-year sitting.  Find another President that had that much happen in their terms!  So of course he wasn't able to do everything.  People seem to believe that the drop of a hat gets everything done, but it doesn't work that way.  It's not like he could say "send all of this over there and get it done now for aid" and it would happen.

Personally, I know I couldn't have done a better job under that kind of pressure...and I can guarantee no one else here could've either."

I think that Reagan and Bush Sr. would have both done a better job. And we had two presidents (techniclly 4) that had to deal with world wars, and a number that had to handle the Cold War. Any of those presidents handled worse than this."

You must've missed the part where I said TERRORIST ATTACK and TWO HURRICANES.  That's HOMELAND, not foreign.  We didn't have Germany invading America.  We didn't have anything on the homeland front other than Pearl Harbor that hit us for those wars.  This time around was much different than those, and especially because this time and era is far more technologically advanced than when Wilson or Roosevelt or Truman...although Truman had to make a very tough decision in the end of it all.  Don't forget that Lincoln also had to deal with the Civil War in our nation's history, and that was quite devastating as well, leading towards problems that we would later face with the Colonies heading west and bringing forth the Wild West era, where our country was quite lawless and unwieldy.

And by all means, I'm not trying to undersell anything that Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, or Truman had to deal with, nor am I trying to undersell the devastation of those wars.  What I AM trying to say is that this is a different time and era...and so the threats are much greater than they were before.  We have biological terrorism, things that we can't even see.  We have nuclear capabilities beyond anything we saw with Hiroshima.  We have hostile regimes overseas that, at the turn of a dime, could go to the highest bidder and start slaughtering our troops and innocent civilians in FAR greater numbers than they are right now.

Therefore, trying to place ALL of that weight onto the back of ONE MAN...our former President...is HIGHLY unfair.  The dood did the best that he possibly could under some shitty circumstances, and to say that any of the past Presidents could've handled this better (take a look back at America's deficit during the World Wars, then tell me we're in a similar bind...remember this little thing called The Depression?)...that's just naive.

I can't say that I agreed 100% with Bush, but at the same time...do you think KERRY would've done a better job of handling 9/11, two hurricanes, and taking down a hostile regime in a foreign nation that no one else was willing to do something about?

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"Jayge said:

"prinny_god said:

"oh well in a few months when obama starts putting people that disagree with him in slave camps you'll all wake up"

I ask again, how old are you?"

His posts are inane, and your posts are thoughtful.  We get that.  Problem is, his age doesn't really matter.  I've met 15 year olds who are greatly wiser than other 35 year olds I've met.  It's just sad that so many uninformed people take up so much space on the internet.  :)"

"m going to point out that there are other presidents that have had to deal with attacks on our soil. Most notably Roosevelt. And i would say that a world war is equal to a pair of hurricanes, not to mention the depression. Im not sure how the technological changes have made things tougher for George Bush than for Roosevelt. But I wasnt saying that those other presidents had to deal with things as bad as what Bush. Just that they would have handled it better. I'm not saying that Bush deserved all the blame he got, but that doesn't mean that i think he was a good president. I don't know whether or not Kerry would have done very well at all, but i do know that both McCain and Gore would have most definately done better."

"AgentJ said:

"m going to point out that there are other presidents that have had to deal with attacks on our soil. Most notably Roosevelt. And i would say that a world war is equal to a pair of hurricanes, not to mention the depression. Im not sure how the technological changes have made things tougher for George Bush than for Roosevelt. But I wasnt saying that those other presidents had to deal with things as bad as what Bush. Just that they would have handled it better. I'm not saying that Bush deserved all the blame he got, but that doesn't mean that i think he was a good president. I don't know whether or not Kerry would have done very well at all, but i do know that both McCain and Gore would have most definately done better."

I absolutely agree that, had McCain been on the ballot back in 2003, he would've been a vastly better President than Bush.  Unfortunately, he wasn't President during 9/11.  =  /  Also, I pointed out Pearl Harbor's attack and our Hiroshima response...but outside of that, it's Civil War and the Red Coats during the original Colonies and that's about it.

I'm not saying that Bush was a GREAT President, but I think that under the circumstances, he did the best that he could've.  The Congress at the time, be it that they were conservative, had their own agendas beyond what Bush wanted.  However, you also have to look at his father as well as Clinton for massive fuck-ups that led to a lot of the problems we have today.

Personally, the only saving grace this country seems to have in sight rests in Utah right now with Jon Huntsman Jr.

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"jakob187 said:

"AgentJ said:

"m going to point out that there are other presidents that have had to deal with attacks on our soil. Most notably Roosevelt. And i would say that a world war is equal to a pair of hurricanes, not to mention the depression. Im not sure how the technological changes have made things tougher for George Bush than for Roosevelt. But I wasnt saying that those other presidents had to deal with things as bad as what Bush. Just that they would have handled it better. I'm not saying that Bush deserved all the blame he got, but that doesn't mean that i think he was a good president. I don't know whether or not Kerry would have done very well at all, but i do know that both McCain and Gore would have most definately done better."

I absolutely agree that, had McCain been on the ballot back in 2003, he would've been a vastly better President than Bush.  Unfortunately, he wasn't President during 9/11.  =  /  Also, I pointed out Pearl Harbor's attack and our Hiroshima response...but outside of that, it's Civil War and the Red Coats during the original Colonies and that's about it.

I'm not saying that Bush was a GREAT President, but I think that under the circumstances, he did the best that he could've.  The Congress at the time, be it that they were conservative, had their own agendas beyond what Bush wanted.  However, you also have to look at his father as well as Clinton for massive fuck-ups that led to a lot of the problems we have today.

Personally, the only saving grace this country seems to have in sight rests in Utah right now with Jon Huntsman Jr."

1) I was actually talking about having McCain winning the republican nomination in 1999, but anyway

2) I agree that Clinton did some bad stuff, especially concerning the economy. But other then desert storm(Osama/saddam), what did Bush SR do that caused our current woes?"

"AgentJ said:

"jakob187 said:

"AgentJ said:

"m going to point out that there are other presidents that have had to deal with attacks on our soil. Most notably Roosevelt. And i would say that a world war is equal to a pair of hurricanes, not to mention the depression. Im not sure how the technological changes have made things tougher for George Bush than for Roosevelt. But I wasnt saying that those other presidents had to deal with things as bad as what Bush. Just that they would have handled it better. I'm not saying that Bush deserved all the blame he got, but that doesn't mean that i think he was a good president. I don't know whether or not Kerry would have done very well at all, but i do know that both McCain and Gore would have most definately done better."

I absolutely agree that, had McCain been on the ballot back in 2003, he would've been a vastly better President than Bush.  Unfortunately, he wasn't President during 9/11.  =  /  Also, I pointed out Pearl Harbor's attack and our Hiroshima response...but outside of that, it's Civil War and the Red Coats during the original Colonies and that's about it.

I'm not saying that Bush was a GREAT President, but I think that under the circumstances, he did the best that he could've.  The Congress at the time, be it that they were conservative, had their own agendas beyond what Bush wanted.  However, you also have to look at his father as well as Clinton for massive fuck-ups that led to a lot of the problems we have today.

Personally, the only saving grace this country seems to have in sight rests in Utah right now with Jon Huntsman Jr."

1) I was actually talking about having McCain winning the republican nomination in 1999, but anyway

2) I agree that Clinton did some bad stuff, especially concerning the economy. But other then desert storm(Osama/saddam), what did Bush SR do that caused our current woes?"

You mean how he nearly fucked up Reaganomics from working during Clinton's term and, yeah, Desert Storm?  How about DAN QUAYLE?!  That's not enough?  Hell, you talk about Reagan and then ignore the fact that George H.W. Bush is the one that PUSHES for deregulation while he was VP, leading to a lot of the problems we have with our free market system today?!

And, as all other Presidents, he couldn't keep his own promise...and raised taxes.

Nope, H.W. Bush was not a good President either...  Thanks for playing.

"

"ey, i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was honestly curious. After all, i wasnt even born when he was elected, and was 2 when he left office."

"AgentJ said:

"ey, i wasnt accusing you of anything, i was honestly curious. After all, i wasnt even born when he was elected, and was 2 when he left office."

Well played, Agent.  Well played.

Reagan was the last good President we had in office.

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"Jayge said:

"prinny_god said:

"oh well in a few months when obama starts putting people that disagree with him in slave camps you'll all wake up"

I ask again, how old are you?"

Just old enough to make sense of Fox news, Im guessing

Besides, thatd be so different from Bush right? The guy that held innocent people in Guantanamo bay?

"

"Suicrat said:

"Wars are supposed to be profitable exercises.World War II ended the Great Depression, some say. Problem is now the spoils of war have to be returned to the people from the country you bombed."

That's bullshit. War is never good for an economy. The people that think WWII ended the Depression are saying so because they learned it in high school history, not economics. "

"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever. 

Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.

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"I presonally just do not like Bush becuase he was a Republican. I support democrates, that is it."

"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever. 

Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.

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