Quit Praising Obama and Blaming Bush!

WSS, Clinton was a very good president. I'm saying this as a center-right person, Clinton did a great job. The impeachment wasn't due to policy, it was due to politics.

Bush is a fucking moron, he deserves no slack and every bit of blame he gets is rightfully so. However I don't think Obama is that much better either, it doesn't change how completely retarded Bush is.

 Why_So_Serious said:

"iAmJohn said:

"Stop blaming Bush for squandering the multibillion dollar surplus that the Clinton administration left him?  Uh... okay dude."

The Clinton administration didn't leave Bush shit. I don't know where your coming from. Clinton was almost impeached and he was one of the worst presidents we have had. If there was a surplus it sure as hell wasn't cause of that fucktard."

"Why_So_Serious said:

"Lies said:

"Right. Because the September 11th attacks were responsible for every single one of Bush's bad decisions.Every one.He has no responsibility for his own actions. It's all Bin Laden's fault.That makes sense."

No but because of 9/11 he was forced to make decisions that never would have been made otherwise. 

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9/11 didn't force him to invade Iraq. Invading Iraq was a huge mistake and is one of the reasons why I really thought he did an awful job as president. I don't blame him completely for our economic crisis. I blame the banks for giving bad loans out."

"Wolverine said:

"Why_So_Serious said:

"Lies said:

"Right. Because the September 11th attacks were responsible for every single one of Bush's bad decisions.Every one.He has no responsibility for his own actions. It's all Bin Laden's fault.That makes sense."

No but because of 9/11 he was forced to make decisions that never would have been made otherwise. 

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9/11 didn't force him to invade Iraq. Invading Iraq was a huge mistake and is one of the reasons why I really thought he did an awful job as president. I don't blame him completely for our economic crisis. I blame the banks for giving bad loans out."

Aside from a neat little debate, I can't believe that this thread has been going on for this long with statements that are this phenomenally insulting. This isn't up for debate anymore. Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Ladin or 9/11. End of story."

"vidiot said:

"Wolverine said:

"Why_So_Serious said:

"Lies said:

"Right. Because the September 11th attacks were responsible for every single one of Bush's bad decisions.Every one.He has no responsibility for his own actions. It's all Bin Laden's fault.That makes sense."

No but because of 9/11 he was forced to make decisions that never would have been made otherwise. 

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9/11 didn't force him to invade Iraq. Invading Iraq was a huge mistake and is one of the reasons why I really thought he did an awful job as president. I don't blame him completely for our economic crisis. I blame the banks for giving bad loans out."

Aside from a neat little debate, I can't believe that this thread has been going on for this long with statements that are this phenomenally insulting. This isn't up for debate anymore. Iraq had nothing to do with Bin Ladin or 9/11. End of story."

I know 9/11 had with Iraq. That was the point I was trying to make in my post. I just praised it wrong."

I think you are right about people thinking Obama is god when he isn't. But still, he is facing difficult times and there is still more to come. Obviously things will get worse before they get right; hence having a bigger deficit is not too strange in my opinion. Bush and every single politician in the world ignored the crisis; everyone knew it was going to happen but they ignored it as everyone was buying crazy without any economic reinforcement and the construction companies where building crazy without any future expectations what so ever. All of that was not real and now we are paying for it. Bush ignored it, now Obama is trying to fix it. But don’t get me wrong, I think Obama is as good as any other politician can get.

About the war, that was not the way to get into it. You can’t get in a war lying and using strategies that break every single treaty of humanity, that is not a democracy.

"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever. 

Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.

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i blame the broken capalist system. and george bush

i find it amusing how everyone critizes the president for doing a shitty job, but don't have the balls to admit they couldn't do any better.  America is hipacracy

"i find it amusing how everyone critizes the president for doing a shitty job, but don't have the balls to admit they couldn't do any better.  America is hipacracy"

It fucking sucks that what ever happens in the U.S. has to affect us here in Canada. I think Obama is a fresh face for the states and he could potentally be the one that brings bin laden down and helps to save the economy. Then again, I could be wrong.

"Ok so people are really really stupid you know. Everyone blames Bush for our defecit. Now I ask one thing from the trolls that can't listen for one second, listen to me before you post a random comment. I'm not saying Obama is wrong but Bush never had a chance. Is it his fault that we had one of the biggest tragedies during his office in US History? He never had a chance to do what he wanted. He was to busy trying to clean up the mess the terrorists caused us. The reason he spent that money was to rebuild from the loss. And YES we needed to be at war. We are a nation that can't be pushed aside. We were founded on good principles from some of the greatest men ever. 

Our founding fathers are rolling over in the graves because of judgemental people who blame others for things that AREN'T their fault. I would also like to point out in the 60 days Obama has been in office he has trippled(sp?) the amount of defecit we are in. Bush exited with $3.3 trillion of defecit and with all the bills Obama has passed in 60 days he has caused up to $9.9 trillion in defecit. How do you think the rest of his 4 years will be? So don't give me shit that this isn't true cause its been proved. NO I DON'T have a link. It was on the news not some internet article. So before you blame someone get your damn facts straight. Once again this is not a shot at Obama just I'm tired of people getting blamed for stuff they had no control over. In politics, school, real life, etc. It's not fair to them.

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he told me not to put a random comment so now i have to do it,

I love black people, all of you.

but on a serious note american politics is corrupt as is any to be honest, however The U.S do politics based on image and i don't understand that, to be frankly honest if the U.S was faced with the best politician in the world, and he was in running to become president because of his personal image and how he is percived by the public they wouldn't get voted in, 

"As history dictates democracy is a theory, one which will never be realised, until all power is removed from leadership, but then what would being a leader mean?" James Quinn   

eclipsesis: Prove to me that American politics is corrupt as you say. At the federal level, please.

"eclipsesis: Prove to me that American politics is corrupt as you say. At the federal level, please."

Thats the dude big Al gore, You seem to be missing the inherant problem with politics or at least what i beleive and meny others do. Political systems used Democracy,communisim and so on. carry with with them inherant corruption, this can be seen through all history, in the miss use in power, For example adolf hitler, richard nixon in a interview with david frost, richard nixon once said "When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal." he beleievd himself to be above the law this is a form of corruption maybe at the lowest of levels but its their, My point is that you can't make pure, something that is already corrupt.

"eclipsesis: Prove to me that American politics is corrupt as you say. At the federal level, please."

"BoG said:

"eclipsesis: Prove to me that American politics is corrupt as you say. At the federal level, please."

Blagojevich. Senate seat."

"eclipsesis: Prove to me that American politics is corrupt as you say. At the federal level, please."

Well, BoG, some historians seem to believe that the Roosevelt Administration did know what was to happen. American Cryptology had advanced to the point of knowing what Japanese negotiators were going to demand before they knew it themselves. Is it such a stretch to think they could have intercepted and decrypted war plans too?

And if it did happen in WW2, it wouldn't be the last time the U.S. went to war under false pretenses. Remember the Gulf of Tonkin incident?

Suicrat, I wasn't discussing WWII.

"angelkanarias said:

"BoG said:

"angelkanarias said:

"About the war, that was not the way to get into it. You can’t get in a war lying and using strategies that break every single treaty of humanity, that is not a democracy."

Alright, I'm going to start calling people out on what they say, you're first. Aside from going against the better wishes of the UN, what treaties were broken and how is it not democracy?"

Ok. Lying to your own people saying there are ''weapons of mass destruction'' isn't widely accpeted between the democratic countries. I can also tell you torture, kidnapping within other countries and spying your own people doesn't either fit within democratic countries nor in international treaties. Oh, and I also think killing your own people by letting terrorist attacks happen in your own soil is everything but democratic. But anyways, it has always happened. Pearl harbor and the spanish war are just two examples of lies and manipulation to enter a profitable war."

1. They didn't know. Some advisers disagreed, but Bush went in thinking there were weapons. Link.

2. That's why both McCain and Obama vowed to end torture in the campaign. The USA PATRIOT Act was a mistake that congress made in heat of 9/11. No one disagrees with you here.

3. I'm not even going to humor this ridiculous conspiracy theory.

1. If the CIA, the most important intelligence agency in the world, makes those mistakes, then the government should be thinking about closing it down.

3. Please read your history. This wouldn't be the first time the US government made up an excuse or ignored something to enter war. The US government has admitted the USS Maine was not destroyed by the Spanish, never the less; they accused the Spanish of doing it to enter war with them. And no one can say the alerts of an attack to Pearl Harbor where at least ignored. I can also add the government had an isolationism policy during WWII, but guess what, war is profitable, and that is undeniable.

Oh, and the torture and kidnapping was not democratic the las time I checked.

"JazzyJeff said:

"Where do people get the information that Clinton left office with a surplus? We haven't been out of debt in a loooooong time."

Exactly, whatever he left us wasn't his doing he just got lucky and was left with "technically" a surplus but most of it wasn't cause of him. He didn't contribute the much to our economic state. He didn't hurt us but he didn't help either. Not that that is a bad thing cause its not. But give credit were credit is due and he shouldn't be given credit."

How is digital money any different in value than paper? They back up the digital money with a printing press, being digital is irrelevant.

"JazzyJeff said:

"Where do people get the information that Clinton left office with a surplus? We haven't been out of debt in a loooooong time."

Exactly, whatever he left us wasn't his doing he just got lucky and was left with "technically" a surplus but most of it wasn't cause of him. He didn't contribute the much to our economic state. He didn't hurt us but he didn't help either. Not that that is a bad thing cause its not. But give credit were credit is due and he shouldn't be given credit."

I'll do ya one better here.

Thank you both for citing credible sources. We can see who truly wants to be enlightened here.

shuttup you stupid conservatives (jk)

"shuttup you stupid conservatives (jk)"

*Facepalms* You are all missing the point. I can best demonstrate with a visual aid:

"TooWalrus said:

"r0k1ll said:

"shuttup you stupid conservatives (jk)"

Can one of you mods find out which user account r0k1ll uses as his "main account," and ban it for continually bumping an old topic with nothing new to add?"

It certainly wouldnt be Why So Serious, because he didn't just comment on 2 of said users threads in a row... without commenting on any others..."

Why don't we just wait until Obama's term is over, then we can judge him, ok unoriginal screen name?

Are you missing the fact how everyone has realized Obama sucks? Honestly, just pay attention more, half the people are saying he sucks.
A billion dollars?  To that?  No, you can't be serious.

"Are you missing the fact how everyone has realized Obama sucks? Honestly, just pay attention more, half the people are saying he sucks. A billion dollars?  To that?  No, you can't be serious. "

I agree with whysoserious, but Bush didn't help us at all. I'm not blaming him for anything, but I'm dissappointed that he didn't do much to *start political anlyst voice* fix the economy.

"Why don't we just wait until Obama's term is over, then we can judge him, ok unoriginal screen name?"

So what if Clinton left office with a surplus, Bush did too....pretty much.