Shouldn't we be allowed to sue truth.com?

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#1  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

Shouldn't we be alllowed to sue truth.com for using cartoon characters to push their agenda?

  




It only makes sense since the tobacco industry was sued for using them, shouldn't we be allowed to sue truth for pushing their often unreliable proofs on children?
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#2  Edited By mike

The difference is that Truth isn't trying to sell you a product that they know causes cancer.  Just a little bit of a difference, but go ahead and sue if you think you can win.

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#3  Edited By WilliamRLBaker

Just a thought but they are trying to ingrain the minds of children a super intolerant attitude i still for the life of me cant remember a well known cartoon character appearing in a childs media pushing cigarettes. but im only 26 but i still dont remmber it happening in the 80's or 90s.

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#4  Edited By mike

Whats wrong with teaching kids that cigarettes cause cancer?  I mean, they do in fact, cause cancer.  It would be different if they were making false claims.

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#5  Edited By mike

Whats wrong with teaching kids that cigarettes cause cancer?  I mean, they do in fact, cause cancer.  It would be different if they were making false claims.

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#6  Edited By SpaceInsomniac

Anyone who starts smoking in this day and age is a fucking idiot.  How's that for a reliable proof?  That said, the truth.com ad you posted does make me want to wince.  That thing is just painful to watch, and not for any reason related to making me want to not smoke.  And while I don't remember it in the 80s or 90s, cartoons were definitely used to sell cigarettes before the dangers of smoking were known.

  
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#7  Edited By boxman

if you thnk you can win

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#8  Edited By Ultimate_pwr_rngr

i think those commercials are.....annoying for one and two, they're fucked up, if you know what i mean.

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#9  Edited By Jax

I'm a smoker, unfortunately, and it's a HORRIBLE habit. I'm trying to quit, but alas, I'm unsuccessful. However, I hate the stigma surrounding smoking, and I always have. Although it's quite bad for you, it's a free country, and those who wish to smoke should be allowed to. Not in public, because I don't enjoy seeing others around the smoke I create, but I'm a grown man and I understand the ramifications of my actions. I know all of the facts, yet I still enjoy lighting one up and going outside. I think TRUTH should be allowed to dispense the facts about smoking, however I think the way in which they are doing it is sometimes a bit overdone.

Smoking to me isn't necessarily about knowing or not knowing the "TRUTH". I was NEVER a smoker until last year, and I always vowed not to do it. I was serving in Iraq and was really really stressed out. My buddy gave me one, told me to relax during a heavy fire-fight and I did. Ever since then I've been a smoker. It's not about the cool camel, or the cowboy. It's not about the old "cool" trendy look to it. Many people simply smoke because its an addiction, like alcohol, caffeine and other drugs and vices (gambling, porn, etc). It's simply something I fell into, and am having a difficult time coming out of. I was never "lured" in by Big Tobacco. I don't care about the advertisements at the 7-11, or the color of the cartons. So to me, it's a choice. If someone chooses to smoke then hey, thats my right. Even though I find it hard to quit, and I know its the nicotine which is addicting, I also enjoy my "smoke breaks." I enjoy the feeling of smoking when I'm done working a hard days work. Just like with everything else, moderation, to me, is the key to sustaining and quitting. Sometimes I smoke a pack a day, other times I smoke 1 cig a day - it depends on what I'm doing and how I'm feeling. I just wish people would get over it and let other people do as they wish. Yes it's dirty, and it smell bad, but if you're not around it then keep your mouth shut and don't smoke. But don't tell me that what I choose to do is bad; I know it's bad for me, but oh well - I'm who I am and I choose, yes I ULTIMATELY CHOOSE to smoke. The day I feel like I'm done with them, then I will try harder to quit. I'll buy the patches, lozenges and gum, and set a goal to break the physical and mental dependence.

But in this day and age, we're all informed. We know the TRUTH and thanks for giving it to us. But I can choose to either ignore certain parts, or not. I never ask people to start smoking, and I never force anyone. I never smoke in bars, near children, or in restaurants. I can control when I want to smoke and where. So for all of you who think smokers  are "stupid", then please stop eating McDonald s, stop drinking sodas filled with High Fructose Corn syrup; wear sun screen when at the beach, get exercise, go and break any addiction to gaming that you feel you might have - save a tree, save a rain forest, get a hybrid car - stop littering, cut down on consumption - donate to charity and don't cheat on your girlfriends. If you can do all of that with ease, and you can go about your day as a perfect saint - then by all means preach to me. I'll invite you into my home, I'll sit you down and let you yell at me and tell me how dumb I am, how I'll get cancer, and I'm wasting my money - how I fell into the Big Tobacco's pockets, and we'll all have a grand old time.


/rant

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#10  Edited By Cube

Um, no?

Think a little bit more about it.

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#11  Edited By Mrnitropb

not so much, but feel free to waste your money on fees.

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Jax said:
"I'm a smoker, unfortunately, and it's a HORRIBLE habit. I'm trying to quit, but alas, I'm unsuccessful. However, I hate the stigma surrounding smoking, and I always have. Although it's quite bad for you, it's a free country, and those who wish to smoke should be allowed to. Not in public, because I don't enjoy seeing others around the smoke I create, but I'm a grown man and I understand the ramifications of my actions. I know all of the facts, yet I still enjoy lighting one up and going outside. I think TRUTH should be allowed to dispense the facts about smoking, however I think the way in which they are doing it is sometimes a bit overdone.

Smoking to me isn't necessarily about knowing or not knowing the "TRUTH". I was NEVER a smoke, and I always vowed not to do it. I was serving in Iraq and was really really stressed out. My buddy gave me one, told me to relax during a heavy fire-fight and I did. Ever since then I've been a smoker. It's not about the cool camel, or the cowboy. It's not about the old "cool" trendy look to it. Many people simply smoke because its an addiction, like alcohol, caffeine and other drugs and vices (gambling, porn, etc). It's simply something I fell into, and am having a difficult time coming out of. I was never "lured" in by Big Tobacco. I don't care about the advertisements at the 7-11, or the color of the cartons. So to me, it's a choice. If someone chooses to smoke then hey, thats my right. Even though I find it hard to quit, and I know its the nicotine which is addicting, I also enjoy my "smoke breaks." I enjoy the feeling of smoking when I'm done working a hard days work. Just like with everything else, moderation, to me, is the key to sustaining and quitting. Sometimes I smoke a pack a day, other times I smoke 1 cig a day - it depends on what I'm doing and how I'm feeling. I just wish people would get over it and let other people do as they wish. Yes it's dirty, and it smell bad, but if you're not around it then keep your mouth shut and don't smoke. But don't tell me that what I choose to do is bad; I know it's bad for me, but oh well - I'm who I am and I choose, yes I ULTIMATELY CHOOSE to smoke. The day I feel like I'm done with them, then I will try harder to quit. I'll buy the patches, lozenges and gum, and set a goal to break the physical and mental dependence.

But in this day and age, we're all informed. We know the TRUTH and thanks for giving it to us. But I can choose to either ignore certain parts, or not. I never ask people to start smoking, and I never force anyone. I never smoke in bars, near children, or in restaurants. I can control when I want to smoke and where. So for all of you who think smokers  are "stupid", then please stop eating McDonald s, stop drinking sodas filled with High Fructose Corn syrup; wear sun screen when at the beach, get exercise, go and break any addiction to gaming that you feel you might have - save a tree, save a rain forest, get a hybrid car - stop littering, cut down on consumption - donate to charity and don't cheat on your girlfriends. If you can do all of that with ease, and you can go about your day as a perfect saint - then by all means preach to me. I'll invite you into my home, I'll sit you down and let you yell at me and tell me how dumb I am, how I'll get cancer, and I'm wasting my money - how I fell into the Big Tobacco's pockets, and we'll all have a grand old time.


/rant"

good post
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#13  Edited By Player1

Wow jax, thanks for sharing. I understand what your going through, my moms been a smoker for 30 years. She just cant quit for the life of her. She tried it just that once, and is now addicted. 

But back on topic, I don't see why your pissed off about it. At least truth is trying to TEACH kids, and not kill them. I think its a good thing, considering most kids growing up these days know that smoking kills you, and find it disgusting. 
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#14  Edited By sponge3164
MB said:
"Whats wrong with teaching kids that cigarettes cause cancer?  I mean, they do in fact, cause cancer.  It would be different if they were making false claims."
Exactly, it's a terrible habit for someone to pick up.
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#15  Edited By unworthyBOZO

I smoke and I'll be damned if I let some company tell me what to do, this is a free country

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#17  Edited By Rowr
Jax said:
"I'm a smoker, unfortunately, and it's a HORRIBLE habit. I'm trying to quit, but alas, I'm unsuccessful. However, I hate the stigma surrounding smoking, and I always have. Although it's quite bad for you, it's a free country, and those who wish to smoke should be allowed to. Not in public, because I don't enjoy seeing others around the smoke I create, but I'm a grown man and I understand the ramifications of my actions. I know all of the facts, yet I still enjoy lighting one up and going outside. I think TRUTH should be allowed to dispense the facts about smoking, however I think the way in which they are doing it is sometimes a bit overdone.

Smoking to me isn't necessarily about knowing or not knowing the "TRUTH". I was NEVER a smoker until last year, and I always vowed not to do it. I was serving in Iraq and was really really stressed out. My buddy gave me one, told me to relax during a heavy fire-fight and I did. Ever since then I've been a smoker. It's not about the cool camel, or the cowboy. It's not about the old "cool" trendy look to it. Many people simply smoke because its an addiction, like alcohol, caffeine and other drugs and vices (gambling, porn, etc). It's simply something I fell into, and am having a difficult time coming out of. I was never "lured" in by Big Tobacco. I don't care about the advertisements at the 7-11, or the color of the cartons. So to me, it's a choice. If someone chooses to smoke then hey, thats my right. Even though I find it hard to quit, and I know its the nicotine which is addicting, I also enjoy my "smoke breaks." I enjoy the feeling of smoking when I'm done working a hard days work. Just like with everything else, moderation, to me, is the key to sustaining and quitting. Sometimes I smoke a pack a day, other times I smoke 1 cig a day - it depends on what I'm doing and how I'm feeling. I just wish people would get over it and let other people do as they wish. Yes it's dirty, and it smell bad, but if you're not around it then keep your mouth shut and don't smoke. But don't tell me that what I choose to do is bad; I know it's bad for me, but oh well - I'm who I am and I choose, yes I ULTIMATELY CHOOSE to smoke. The day I feel like I'm done with them, then I will try harder to quit. I'll buy the patches, lozenges and gum, and set a goal to break the physical and mental dependence.

But in this day and age, we're all informed. We know the TRUTH and thanks for giving it to us. But I can choose to either ignore certain parts, or not. I never ask people to start smoking, and I never force anyone. I never smoke in bars, near children, or in restaurants. I can control when I want to smoke and where. So for all of you who think smokers  are "stupid", then please stop eating McDonald s, stop drinking sodas filled with High Fructose Corn syrup; wear sun screen when at the beach, get exercise, go and break any addiction to gaming that you feel you might have - save a tree, save a rain forest, get a hybrid car - stop littering, cut down on consumption - donate to charity and don't cheat on your girlfriends. If you can do all of that with ease, and you can go about your day as a perfect saint - then by all means preach to me. I'll invite you into my home, I'll sit you down and let you yell at me and tell me how dumb I am, how I'll get cancer, and I'm wasting my money - how I fell into the Big Tobacco's pockets, and we'll all have a grand old time.


/rant"
Its hard.

I have quit and started again numerous times.

Currently im on the nicotine chewing gum at work. And a device i whole heartadly reccomend found here https://e-cig.com/index_flash.html, when im at home. (The pipe is the best one). It justifies its purchase with the amount i save not buying cigarretes alone.

I havent quit nicotine, but it sure has helped me get out of the pattern of smoking, which is all but impossible with the amount of smokers i am around on a daily basis. Quitting the routine of smoking is as hard as quitting the nicotine itself.
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#19  Edited By Rowr
Paul said:
"I'm tired of the anti smoking zealots; but not these guys. They seem rooted in fact and decency. 
Something that I think is kind of funny is the people saying "just quit". Like oh, yeah, thanks buddy. 
"
yeh perception from people who have never smoked is always great.
Basically any comment from anyone isnt really helpful, its something everyone has to overcome on there own.

My favourites are the ones that like to give you the full run down on how bad it is and what your doing to your body.
I like to act-out with a straight face like they are the first person to ever break the news to me, that usually shuts them up.
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#20  Edited By Termite

The commercial is explaining that cigarettes are bad for you.....

I don't see anything wrong with that

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#21  Edited By tekmojo

anti-pot ads are funnier

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#22  Edited By Vaxadrin
Termite said:
"The commercial is explaining that cigarettes are bad for you.....

I don't see anything wrong with that"
It's intolerant of smokers.  I'm calling the ACLU!
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#23  Edited By RetroIce4
tekmojo said:
"anti-pot ads are funnier"
They are a lot funnier because they don't say anything about how it is bad. I am like, "So I shouldn't smoke pot because I will wake up with 20 shirts on my body and unable to walk. Yeah I guess so!" Great commercials!
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#24  Edited By SSbabel

I love it, thats is quite an interesting take on slaying the tobacco company.

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#25  Edited By Giantkitty

Are you suing them or pressing charges against them? In order to sue them, you have to prove the commercial owes you some sort of "remedy," for instance, if they used your image without their permission, used  your copyrighted character (like the cherubs) without permission, or caused some sort of mental duress, etc.

>shouldn't we be allowed to sue truth for pushing their often unreliable proofs on children?

What they say seems to be well researched, I'm not an expert at if what they're saying actually true (at first I thought you were going to sue them because they used cartoon characters and they aren't "real") I'm sure the big tobacco lawyers would sue if they could

>Just a thought but they are trying to ingrain the minds of children a super intolerant attitude
I suppose in an indirect way (they aren't telling you to hate smokers, but I get your drift). I guess that's how advertising works. But in this case, they're not trying to sell you a product, but preventing you from buying one, so there is some intolerance. I guess I'll leave how much people should tolerate smoking for another topic.

>i still for the life of me cant remember a well known cartoon character appearing in a childs media pushing cigarettes. but im only 26 > but i still dont remmber it happening in the 80's or 90s.

There was the Joe Camel thing in the late 80's/ early 90's. Some people were making a big deal about that. Relatively, I didn't see the big deal, Joe seemed to be doing adult things and, to me, didn't appeal to kids.

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#26  Edited By Eisen
SpaceInsomniac said:
"Anyone who starts smoking in this day and age is a fucking idiot.  How's that for a reliable proof?  That said, the truth.com ad you posted does make me want to wince.  That thing is just painful to watch, and not for any reason related to making me want to not smoke.  And while I don't remember it in the 80s or 90s, cartoons were definitely used to sell cigarettes before the dangers of smoking were known."
The Flintstones was a TV show for adults, not children, which is why they used it to market cigarettes.  I do not think it really matters what is marketed. It is up to adults to set the example for children to prevent smoking.  Ads like those by Truth are not going to change any minds on this matter.
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#27  Edited By pyromaniac

I always thought that their cartoon characters were stupid as hell..I mean how can you take a commercial seriously if they put in childish shit like that

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#28  Edited By EndlessMike

Almost everything causes cancer. If they're gonna be anti-smoking they should also run anti-tanning ads. Most things today cause damage to the human body and kids aren't warned about any of those. Smoking is a pretty shit habit but if it was so terrible people wouldn't do it. It's easy for a non-smoker to condemn it in ignorance and it's hypocritical for an ex-smoker to do the same. I don't think advertising harmful products to children is a good thing but neither is inundating them with lies against it. I know when I was a kid if I knew an adult was lying to me about something ( and I could often tell) I would try it in defiance. Lying to kids on either side of the argument is the wrong thing to do and truth.com happens to be particularly obnoxious about it.

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#29  Edited By TheSecondSign
RetroIce4 said:
"tekmojo said:
"anti-pot ads are funnier"
They are a lot funnier because they don't say anything about how it is bad. I am like, "So I shouldn't smoke pot because I will wake up with 20 shirts on my body and unable to walk. Yeah I guess so!" Great commercials!"

Maybe so, but I will tell you this:

That commercial where the two kids are pulling the cow's tail is the funniest commericial in a long, long time.
It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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#30  Edited By Randolph

The difference here is that truth is trying to save lives, while the tobacco industries entire operation revolves around killing people. (slowly)

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#31  Edited By TheSecondSign

I fail to see why someone would sue Truth for spreading the word on what is inside cigarettes.


The commercial I just saw showed what a cigarette is made of. And then they danced.

Now, what part of showing a cigarette's contents is offensive to anybody? It is showing you what you ingest, and even though many smokers know what they are smoking and this may be hard to believe, but many do not know about everything they are smoking.

They know tobacco is in it, but the other contents? I highly doubt everyone who smokes knows the entire contents of their favorite cigarette brand, and it would be interesting to see their reactions.

If you smoke that is your business. It's legal and so long as you smoke in an environment where no children or sick people are and it's legal, I don't care. If I don't like it I'll move.

That simple.

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#32  Edited By brukaoru
MB said:
"Whats wrong with teaching kids that cigarettes cause cancer?  I mean, they do in fact, cause cancer.  It would be different if they were making false claims."
Exactly. What difference does it make if they are trying to teach kids not to do something harmful?