So why do you think nice guys have trouble with girls?

" @HitmanAgent47 said:

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They don't act like a man, it's that simple. When your nice, your hiding yourself being a man because you are trying to chiverious, or chivery. Unlike jerks who acts like a man and shows confidence.

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Ah, yes, just now figured out that I'm not a man because I'm not a scumbag. Genius logic and best post in this topic. Didn't know you could be "nice" (if that is the term we want to throw around - a ridiculous one by the way) and have confidence.  Thanks for the insight, bro! "

Not all of them do. I mean, the really nice ones, the ones that dare not be mean, are usually weak or something. (no offense.) So it's more obvious that the man can't protect the girl, which is what a girl usually also looks for, maybe without even noticing it.
 
Now, I sometimes have trouble getting girls. But I don't know what I'd blame it on. I'm a nice guy, but not that nice. I'm willing to man up when needed. Maybe it's just the fact that I don't usually ask that many girls out; they ask me out. Which can be just as cool. :)

" because women are shallow (just an opinion i have gained from experince) "

Don't worry. Eventually the girls that are all into the badass guys will realize that they are all ass hats and start to look towards the guys that are actually nice and not treat them like shit.

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@lovecreep said:

" because women are shallow (just an opinion i have gained from experince) "

not any more shallow than men. just sayin'. "@raegunz_: Maybe my opinion is skewed one way but i don't think that is true.  no woman has given me an honest attempt in a romantic relationship... hell even in a friend ship due to the fact i am freakish ugly. woman arn't just after looks either they loooove money. all other things are unimportent... you could be the nicest person to them and they will still drop you for some one else the minute some one comes by better looking or with more money then you are. it's happend to me like 4 times already. "

Because a lot of girls are whores and whores are emotional and physical masochists that love getting treated like shit and having abortions.

I think you're getting nice mixed up with shy/reserved. I can explain why shy guys get less attention but it's kinda obvious.

Nice guys get single moms.....   used goods is better than none.

This thread makes me feel as if I absolutely screwed myself over any chances of getting myself a girl.
 
Blah. Bollocks to this!
 
 /wrists
 
Why are we discussing about the stereotypical type of "nice guy" anyways? Its pretty well defined I might think.

 I don't think this is always the case. I am marrying a "nice guy" soon. Part of it is also probably a maturity issue.

Just from personal experience most " girls" are just trying to find someone whos exciting. Problem is exciting usually translates to asshole but theyve already gotten somewhat emotionally invested into the relationship so they stick with the same douche till they do something so heinous that its unforgivable. Im a pretty good looking guy, not fucking gorgeous or anything but i do well enough with women and the saddest thing that ive found is ive met some really beautiful/smart girls who are completely emotionally cut off because of some dickbag that treated them like shit and theyre so scared of opening up that it ruins my relationship with them.
 
Dave Chappelle was dead on when he said " Chivalry is dead... and women killed it." At some point being respectfull, intelligent, and moderately physically attractive stopped doing the job, instead you also have to treat everyone around you like theyre below you and have an unentilted sense of self-worth.

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They don't act like a man, it's that simple. When your nice, your hiding yourself being a man because you are trying to chiverious, or chivery. Unlike jerks who acts like a man and shows confidence.

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" @bigsmoke77 said:

" Just like how men like Cleavage because it shows they would be able to support their offspring. "

Usually when I see a pair of breasts, the first thing that comes into my mind isn't "I should have babies with that girl because then my kids will get all the nutrition they need from her breast milk, obviously." "

More it's "I should have babies with that girl because then I will get all the nutrition I need from her breast milk'' "

Lol they don't

" Just from personal experience most " girls" are just trying to find someone whos exciting. Problem is exciting usually translates to asshole but theyve already gotten somewhat emotionally invested into the relationship so they stick with the same douche till they do something so heinous that its unforgivable. Im a pretty good looking guy, not fucking gorgeous or anything but i do well enough with women and the saddest thing that ive found is ive met some really beautiful/smart girls who are completely emotionally cut off because of some dickbag that treated them like shit and theyre so scared of opening up that it ruins my relationship with them.  Dave Chappelle was dead on when he said " Chivalry is dead... and women killed it." At some point being respectfull, intelligent, and moderately physically attractive stopped doing the job, instead you also have to treat everyone around you like theyre below you and have an unentilted sense of self-worth. "

Because you picked the wrong girl, get someone who isn't a goddamn idiot.

Because the chicks want you to be rude with them!

Actually I change my answer, It's because they nice guys are too scared to go for most girls and too dumb to go for the nice girls instead.

Whatcha gotta do, is be like Bigben and just stick your penis out and show it too them, they go wild for that.

Dumb "hot" chicks go after dumb "hot" guys. I'm just glad I'm left out of the mix.

I don't know,but fact is,I have a girl in my class wich just can't stand pricks,even outright rejecting a guy with "I'm not your one-night bitch". 
Nice.

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I don't know,but fact is,I have a girl in my class wich just can't stand pricks,even outright rejecting a guy with "I'm not your one-night bitch". 
Nice.

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i like to think im a nice guy but i dont really have too much trouble with them 
that being said my past 3 girlfriends have turned out to be complete head cases so that could be why haha

I love these 'how guys think' threads. So informative.
 
Personally, if a guy treated me like shit, I wouldn't be able to dump him fast enough. I would much rather be with someone who respects me, is interested in the same things as me, and is willing to talk to me as a person and not just a pair of boobs. Oh, and who knows how to cook. That's a big plus.

Not to be too cliche but kindness is often mistaken for weakness.

" @HitmanAgent47:   Yep. Pretty much. "

Too many people confuse timid/scared for "nice", and assertive for "jerk".

A female friend of mine put it best: "Girls don't want "nice guys." Girls want guys who are nice."
 
What she means by this is a "nice guy" by her (and most girl's) definition is a guy who is trying to hard to be nice. They don't want to be seen to have the usual trappings of most guys, so they go out of their way to show how nice and kind and chivalrous they are. They come off as being push-overs who don't like themselves so they're trying to hard to get someone else to like them and so they can be easily manipulated and controlled. Most women (a woman you actually want anyway) isn't attracted by this - quite the opposite, in fact. A woman isn't going to be attracted to someone who they don't respect.
 
What she means by  a "guy who's nice", she means a normal guy, who makes mistakes, is sometimes insensitive, is sometimes a jerk, sometimes does or says stupid things, but in general is a nice person. This shows you're genuine and comfortable with who you are, not trying to bend over backwards to please her and be something you're not. 
 
What this translates into in the real world, is not being desperate for her attention or to please her. Be confident - confidence is the #1 thing that attracts girls, above all else - even bordering on arrogance, as long as it's a playful arrogance. Play "hard to get". If you're trying to hard to get her attention, she'll be turned off. Don't be afraid of playful teasing and "back-handed" compliments, again as long it's done in a flirty, playful manner. I've met tons of girls who's first impression of me is that I'm kind of a jerk, but they end up being attracted to me. It's because I show confidence and I don't care what girls think of me or if I "get the girl" or not - plenty of fish in the sea.
 
This is why guys often say that once they have a girlfriend, all of a sudden, girls are more attracted to them, even if they don't know he's not single. It's because subconsciously, you're more confident in yourself and you don't care if some random girl is attracted to you or not, and to them, that's attractive.
 
Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Some of the tips and "tricks" may be kind of "douche-bag territory", but it gives great insight into what works, and why, and helps the typical "nice guy" have women after them for a change. A perfect example would be to act like you're unaffected by a beautiful woman's charms or appearance. Act like you don't give a shit. Most woman (even average looking ones) are used to guys fawning over them. When you act like you couldn't care less, they're intrigued.
 
TL/DR version: Don't be a push over. Be confident. Remember: you don't need a girl, so don't act like you do. If a girl sees you as kind of a bad idea, that's a good thing (believe it or not). Being the "safe bet" is boring and unattractive. Be yourself.

" @FirePrince said:

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I don't know,but fact is,I have a girl in my class wich just can't stand pricks,even outright rejecting a guy with "I'm not your one-night bitch". 
Nice.

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She probably has a thing against men in general.  Good luck. "

" Not to be too cliche but kindness is often mistaken for weakness. "

" Too many people confuse timid/scared for "nice", and assertive for "jerk". "

That made me LOL, just because I've known women like that who were out to make men's lives hell. 
 

Most guys who think they are nice guys are actually passive aggresive basement dwellers who foist all their personal failings on the girls who won't touch them and as for the actual nice guys women view them as doormats and they are stuck as friends forever.

Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Some of the tips and "tricks" may be kind of "douche-bag territory", but it gives great insight into what works, and why, and helps the typical "nice guy" have women after them for a change. A perfect example would be to act like you're unaffected by a beautiful woman's charms or appearance. Act like you don't give a shit. Most woman (even average looking ones) are used to guys fawning over them. When you act like you couldn't care less, they're intrigued.
 
TL/DR version: Don't be a push over. Be confident. Remember: you don't need a girl, so don't act like you do. If a girl sees you as kind of a bad idea, that's a good thing (believe it or not). Being the "safe bet" is boring and unattractive. Be yourself. "

Well I think I get it after reading through this entire thread.
 
Although some of the solutions are complicated and full of irony "You have to act like a jerk at the right time...but in all actuality be a nice guy!!"
 
It sounds convoluted on paper, but I understand the logic being used here.  

" being shy?  "

" because woman like being treated like crap "