Star Wars The Rise of Skywalker - anyone care?

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I enjoyed it as a fun action science fiction thing, but maybe the worst thing I can say about it is that, unlike virtually all the other Star Wars movies, I don't really feel anything about it after the fact. I was disappointed by its lack of depth in any particular direction. The whole thing feels very scattershot, like a Greatest Hits collection of Star Wars things to appeal to as many people as possible. I mean, the movie has Palpatine and Ewoks.

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#102  Edited By Shiftygism

Robert Meyer Burnett got his hands on a 2016 draft of Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX "Duel of the Fates", sounded like another flustercluck, but not as much as what we got. The Resistance stole a fully loaded Star Destroyer, the final battle took place on Coruscant, force ghost Luke played a big role, and Chewie piloted an X-wing.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=emb_title&v=5ShS32kJclU

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how did this get to 3 pages without anyone praising Babu Frik, the best character of all time?

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Here's a breakdown of the Trevorrow draft...

Star Wars: Episode IX - Duel of the Fates details:

CRAWL:

The iron grip of the FIRST ORDER has spread to the farthest reaches of the galaxy. Only a few scattered planets remain unoccupied. Traitorous acts are punishable by death.

Determined to suffocate a growing unrest, Supreme Leader KYLO REN has silenced all communication between neighboring systems.

Led by GENERAL LEIA ORGANA, the Resistance has planned a secret mission to prevent their annihilation and forge a path to freedom...

• Opens at the Kuat Shipyards (man on a mission-style)

• BB-8 and Rose Tico (allegedly a key character in script) are infiltrating Kuat Moon where First Order build their ships (workers are oppressed). There is an orbital ring and moon below it. Finn and Poe are there. No R2/3PO. Rey arrives.

• The plan: Send explosive into the power shaft that delivers raw ore into the ring.

• Plan goes wrong. (RBM loves dialogue at this moment.) First Order is able to contain blast. Admiral Vaughn says Resistance tactics are "pitful."

• Rey disguised as a Tusken Raider is revealed to have created her own weapon (a double-blade lightsaber hybrid of her staff and Luke's cracked saber).

• They battle and Poe, Finn, Rose, Rey, and BB-8 STEAL A STAR DESTROYER (Eclipse-class) and escape.

• The Knife 9 a ship containing the Knights of Ren arrives a Kuat. Ataska (?) Ren kills Admiral Vaughn for his failure.

• CUT TO: CORUSCANT. No longer a vibrant city. "The new structures are built atop the art deco structure of the old republic." Occupied by the First Order now (they have a citadel/palace there). Citizens are scavengers now. Hux is now CHANCELLOR HUX and is addressing Bisc Kova (traitor who helped Resist. steal Star Destroyer.) Kova is executed with a light blade guillotine.

• Hux and Commander Selleck have a meeting with several alien war lords (ode to ANH imperial council scene). First Order has allies. They are aware of Rey being the last Jedi. Council wants to know WHERE IS KYLO REN? He is missing. Hux only knows he has gone searching for something of great power.

• CUT TO: MUSTAFAR. Kylo Ren is alone, except for a Darth Maul-esque droid. He has stubble indicating search has been for a long time. Ren is being HAUNTED by Luke's force ghost.

• Luke: "This is where the dark path leads; an empty tomb." Kylo (retort): "Where did your path lead?"

• Luke is trying to convince him to go back to Leia. Kylo: "I'm going to be more powerful than any Jedi...even you."

• In Vader's Temple, Kylo finds a Sith Holocron which reveals a hologram of Palpatine. Recording is for Vader. Palpatine has a contingency for Vader if Luke kills him. Vader is to take Luke to the Remnicore (?) System to see TOR VALUM, Master of Sith/Palpatine's Teacher.

• After scanning Kylo, the Holocron explodes and releases red lighting which burns Kylo, who screams.

• CUT TO: RESISTANCE BASE on KOR-ALAF (?). Leia is introduced as she feels what's happening to Ben. Chewbacca and Lt. Connix tell Leia that the Kuat team is back. They're shocked to see a Star Destroyer (which is landed onto the planet). Funny moment w/ Rey using Mind Trick on First Order officers who were still on the ship.

• Rey confides in Finn that she doesn't feel like she has what it takes to be a Jedi and can't live up to everyone's expectations. Finn asks her if she still senses Kylo. Rey confesses she's been having nightmares. Finn asks if it's Kylo. Rey says she can't explain their connection.

• Finn: "You have to shut him out. He can't change. It's too late." Rey: "It's never to late to change. You taught me that Finn."

• Resistance realizes that the Star Destroyer stills has most of it's weapons (tanks, TIEs, etc). Only missing piece is an army to use it.

• Rey researching the Jedi texts from Anch-To discovers that under Coruscant Jedi Temple there is a communication system (called a FORCE BEACON) from the Old Republic that can send a signal to 50 planets. They plan on using it to get allies. First Order can't stop it, since it predates Imperial tech. Rey: "Hope is all we have left."

• Force Ghost Luke appears as Rey trains. Luke is pushing Rey to get stronger in the Force, while he is pushing Kylo to let Ben out.

• Kylo makes it back to Coruscant. Face is damaged. Mandalorian armor is smelted and is been applied to his face. Confronts Hux and belittles him, saying he doesn't need titles.

• Rey to Luke as they train: "Balance? The dark suffocates the light, light extinguishes the dark. Over and over and over again. How is that balance in the force?"

• Luke: "I know that anger. My father had it too.'

• Rey: "So says my master and his master before him. A thousand masters so eager to tell us how to live."

• Rest of exchange between Rey and Luke is basically Rey trying to back away from being a Jedi (she admits she is NO ONE) and Luke trying to convince her (he says the Force is speaking to her).

• Back to Kylo. He and Hux continue to snipe at each other. Kylo says he's leaving again, but not before telling Hux the power he discovered will make destroying planets insignificant. Kylo's last order to Hux: "Find the Resistance, wipe them out, leave the girl to me."

• TEAM A (Rose, Finn, R2, 3PO): Going to Coruscant to light the beacon.

• TEAM B (Rey, Poe, Chewbacca): Going to a planet to find someone to help Rey figure out what she needs to do. (side: Yes, his descrp. is that vague)

• Kylo is going to a Sith Planet/Remnicore. EDIT: Before he leaves Coruscant, he takes Vader's mask and says he understands Vader now. Kylo: "You allowed love to cloud your judgement" and he throws Vader's mask off of a balcony and it shatters.

• Leia stays at the base overseeing the Resistance.

• Before Rey leaves, she and Leia have an exchange were Rey says she believes there's still good in Kylo. Leia is skeptical, but Rey believes in her Jedi Training. Leia: "You're not like my father or my brother. You're new. Whatever happens, remember the force choose you Rey. You're story isn't written by anyone else."

• RMB starts summarizing now:

• First Order tracks down stolen Star Destroyer to Kor-Alaf. Resistance escapes.

• TEAM A successfully infiltrates the Jedi Temple and turn on the beacon. Cut to different places around the galaxy receiving the signal (Bossk cameo). It is then cut off by the First Order. TEAM A then flee into the underbelly of Coruscant.

• TEAM B are being pursued by the Knife 9 (Knights of Ren ship) and eventually reach the planet Bonadan.

• Kylo reaches Remincore and confronts Tor Valum (7000 yrs old, alien of unknown origin, spindly, intense sinewy muscle -- very Lovecraftian). Kylo begins training with Valum. Ode to ESB Cave scene: Kylo fights Vader. Fight is brutal and Kylo loses.

• Bonadan: Poe takes Rey to a Seer who can pull information out of memories. The Seer pulls a star chart out of Rey's mind from her visions w/ Kylo. Knights of Ren show up and fight Rey in a lightsaber battle. She defeats them and TEAM B escapes.

• Both Rey and Kylo eventually get to MORTIS.

• Leia asks Lando if he will organize the smugglers and fight the First Order.

• Rose is captured and tortured by the First Order, but is able to escape.

• Finn/R2/3PO start a citizens uprising on Coruscant around the First Order's Citadel/Palace.

• Leia brings her forces to Coruscant to battle the FO. Massive space battle, ground battle (ROTJ-style you know the works lol). Chewie flies an X-Wing.

• Rey and Kylo battle on Mortis, using force energy that can pull from each other. At some point is revealed Kylo killed Rey's parents at the behest of Snoke. Towards the end, Luke/Obi Wan/Yoda appear as Force Ghosts to save Ben, but are unsuccessful. Ben is "extinguished."

• RMB seems to be at the end, so just for house keeping sake - Resistance won, First Order loses.

• One final deet: Han Solo did appear in the script and does confront Kylo at some point.

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@shiftygism: if this is real then it sure sounds a heck of a lot better than what we got but at this point no one is going to benefit from would-have-could-have-beens. Sadly the trilogy is over and what could have been an amazing send off to a classic series ended up being a botched mess due to bad planning and poor choices all around.

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I'm amazed nobody had the passion or interest to create a NEW trilogy to StarWars with any sort of planned narrative. Different directors, different scripts, undoing decisions made by previous movies... like what a mess.

The prequels suck but they had a vision and a shared narrative. These movies cant even claim that.

They could have spent a 10th of the money, picked a few decent writers and just followed old Mark Hamill around the universe on low key adventures (ala Mandalorian) and it would have been infinitely more coherent.

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So the Kenobi series has reportedly been put on indefinite hold and its crew sent home because Kathleen fucking Kennedy didn't like the scripts. The same Kathleen Kennedy that didn't like Colin Trevorrow's Episode IX draft, a movie the more we hear about...including the leaked concept art which is pretty god damned amazing...seems way better than the clusterfuck we were given. The Kathleen Kennedy that has had nearly every film under her watch involve a director fired, retooled, or had massive reshoots. People seem to love Mandalorian, but guess what? She apparently had little to do with that. Yet now, we have a show that everyone has been eagerly awaiting, and were wanting more than Solo back when it was still set to be a film, and just as pre-production starts up, she pulls the plug all based on her being the bastion of good taste over at Lucasfilm? I would question how this lady still has a job, but Bob Iger's incompetence has been well documented in recent months. Shit's a god damned mess I tell ya. A mess.

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@shiftygism: In general, I think Kathleen Kennedy has to go. However, I can at least see that, after the adverse reactions people had to TLJ, she wanted to play it safe for TRS. Although, I would argue that she over-corrected .

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@junkerman: A bit late but

I think part of it is that Star Wars was "too big to fail" as it were.

JJ was as safe as it gets. He did A New Hope but with new characters that rebalance a lot of the old tropes and fix some of the more egregious mistakes. TFA was insanely safe, but I was interested in where it was going and I think just about everyone (who isn't a shitbag) at least liked the characters.

But the general takeaway was "Ugh, they just remade A New Hope. How fucking boring". And JJ Abrams has never been good at finishing a story. So they gave it to Rian Johnson. Not sure on timelines but I imagine at least one person reading an early script for Rogue One must have said "Dude, this is awesome. We can actually do cool stuff with Star Wars? What is an Expendaed Universe?"

So then we got TLJ and I absolutely loved it and it seems most of the planet hated it for being too different and "undermining character arcs" and the like. Right or wrong, Disney course corrected and went back to being safe as all hell and using the master of popcorn.

So then we got ROS.

Arguably, ROS is what happens if you follow TFA to its logical end. TFA was ANH and ROS is ROTJ almost beat for beat. So in some ways they did have a "planned narrative". They just took a detour to try something new and immediately swerved back on to the highway.