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Shindig

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#1  Edited By Shindig

I had a meat feast pizza the other day and was about to complain how it looked like they'd given me a Margarita until I took a bite and realised the meat was under a bed of cheese. It tasted amazing.

Do you guys approve of his hot pizza tech?

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No, toppings go on top of the cheese. Otherwise you end up with a mushy mess of toppings sitting in sauce.

Also, moved to Off Topic. General is for topics about games and the site. Thanks.

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First post modified to mess with your response. And thanks. Here's the thing, though. The sauce didn't really interfere with the toppings. And layering the cheese over it at least means you're not picking toppings back up after every bite. It stays put.

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Are they then called 'Middlings'?

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Technically, they still top the base.

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I will eat anything on a pizza. Anything. But toppings go on top, you absolute monster.

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Sounds fine to me, as long as the cheese/sauce/topping ratio is good. Seems to be the hardest part of a pizza to get right.

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#8  Edited By Shindig

I will say in my defence that this is not my go-to joint and they did, half-way through preparation ask me to confirm my order. Perhaps this was a welcome mistake. First time I've seen a place do such a practice. Heck, I'd take this to its logical conclusion. Toppings, cheese, toppings. Double-decker that. Someone must have.

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I'd be okay with it, assuming the pizza checks out otherwise. The problem here is that there is no easy immediate way to check the correctness of the pizza. I had a deep dish several weeks ago that stealthed, what tasted like, an anchovy. While I'm pretty open to my pizza toppings, I don't like being surprised when putting things in my mouth. The weird salty and fishy surprise was not welcome.

Toppings on top let me have an immediate gauge on the consistency, quality, and accuracy of the ordered pizza. This also allows pizza guests to pick off toppings if I decide to share with somebody who might not like the same toppings.

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#10  Edited By burgavo

Isn't cheese just another topping? Or is it supposed to melt into te sauce? It makes sense to me to stick the toppings on the sauce and end with cheese. In that way wouldn't the toppings adhere to the pie way better than if they were on top of the cheese?

Granted I'm from northern Europe and thus probably a pizza heathen

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I've had sauce > toppings > cheese before, and that shit is the worst. The entire damn top part of the pizza will sometimes just slip off.

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I like a nice mix of toppings under and on top of the cheese when I make my own. I specifically put the toppings that are likely to overcook and burn under the cheese, meats and the like go on top.

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I think being puritanical about pizza is crazy. There are thousands of really great ways to prepare pizza, and saying that putting some toppings under the cheese is unacceptable, to me, is silly. This isn't to say there isn't plenty of bad pizza out there, because there is (Pizza Hut is crazy bad), but it isn't because of construction.

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1: Toppings-under-cheese means they don't get cooked correctly in the pizza oven. Pepperoni should wilt and render slightly, vegetables should soften, etc.

2: Toppings-under-cheese means you can't check to make sure they made your pizza correctly, or didn't short you on topping quantity.

3: That's why they're called toppings.

4: This restaurant is a monster place.

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#15  Edited By yabbering_yeti

So, I used to work at pizza hut here in New Zealand (perhaps for way to long and perhaps as store manager).

During that time we changed our cheese standards 3 times. The first way was half the cheese on top, half on the bottom. Then all cheese on bottom, and then all cheese on top.

The worst was all cheese on top. It is the standard here in NZ and I think in Australia as well.

Half bottom and half top is the better pizza to make quality. Take it from me, I have made over 300,000 pizzas.... fuck my life.

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I think it's a neat idea to put toppings on the cheese, then put a little more cheese over the toppings - not enough to completely cover them, just to hold them there as though they were trapped in some kind of sticky, delicious web.

You know the best idea of all, though? Cut that cheese. All of it. Just thin layer of tomato + herbs on the base, then the toppings scattered over the top. Generally when I make pizza now that's the way I do it. I'm not opposed to having cheese on a pizza, but at this point I definitely wouldn't choose to have it when making one for myself.

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You know what? Maybe you should reconsider where you're ordering from if you can't trust that they're not hiding the wrong food from you under some cheese.

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Papa Johns does this all the time and it is the worst. They hide the pepperoni, and while this does have the advantage of trapping the grease where it cannot be seen, you end up with floppy, uncooked pepperoni. It is VITALLY IMPORTANT that pepperonis be crisped during baking.

With other toppings it isn't so vital. I don't mind hiding beef and sausage under the cheese, that helps it keep from rolling off if the chunks are too big.

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Toppings on top. That's a dangerous game they're playing. Anything could be in there. Anything. Cars. A volcano. A copy of Weird Science. How do you know? You don't.

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I'm all for it! What about cheese, toppings, sauce? I can vouch that this makes a good pizza.

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They all end up jumbled in the mouth and stomach anyway, so I don't care as long as the cooked product tastes right.

The problem is, as @reasonablemanpointed out, that in many cases having toppings cooked underneath the cheese doesn't allow them to cook properly. Papa John's is definitely a serial offender of this crime against good pizza.

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I'm down with veggies under the cheese but most meats (and pineapple - if you're into that [and I am]) go on top so they can get extra browning/crisping during cooking.

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#23  Edited By notnert427

Anyone like me who orders lots of meat toppings on their pizza knows that it becomes anarchy trying to keep the toppings from falling off your slice of pizza. Italian sausage does not stack on salami, nor does bacon. Therefore, the cheese-on-top method becomes a viable "container" of sorts to mitigate unwanted topping loss.

However, this creates other problems a few have mentioned like potentially undercooked toppings and the cheese sliding off the top. Undercooked italian sausage is terrible for a lot of reasons, and we're back to the same problem we had earlier minus cheese if you get any cheese-sliding. That said, it can be done. There was a local place here that consistently pulled it off, which is unfortunately now closed because I think people were weirded out by the atypical cheese-on-top configuration. I'm fine with any kind of artisanal pizza joint that isn't overly high-volume to do this and cook it lower and longer to solve all problems, but chain pizza trying this would be nightmarish.

I like the half-on-top, half-on-bottom idea. I'm not sure I've ever even had that, but it seems like the best of both worlds there.

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#24  Edited By Teddie

The best (garbage) pizza I ever ate was one that had 3 layers of alternating cheese and crust, no sauce, then the regular meat/cheese toppings. Essentially, the cheesy base acted as sauce and tasted way better than sauce, because it's cheese.

It was also about half as filling for some reason?

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Toppings under cheese equals toppings slipping off your 'za son

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A single dodo egg.

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i have an irrational hate for toppings being covered.

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#28  Edited By Dixavd

Multiple layers of cheese with toppings between and then some more sprinkled on top. The optimal order is as follows:

  • Bread Base
  • Red Tomato or Spicy Sauce
  • Cheese 1
  • Strong (Red) Meats - e.g. pepperoni, sausage, beef, bacon
  • Cheese 2
  • Earthy vegetables and lighter Meats - e.g. Peppers, Mushrooms, Chicken, Turkey
  • Cheese 3
  • Sweetest toppings - e.g. Sweetcorn, Pineapple
  • Signature ingredient to give the final kick (put on same layer as sweet toppings but put on last)

Edit - I should also mention that you shouldn't put raw meat on it to cook (they should be pre-cooked before being covered in cheese)

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In pizza related news, I ordered a slice of White recently and it had mushrooms on it. These people are monsters.

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I had pizza like this once could not keep the cheese on it. I am not a fan.

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Toppings under cheese = amazing

it's like a faceless pizza and the innerds are a greasy moist mess... it's amazing

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Both options working in perfect harmony of course. Some ingredients go below the cheese and some on top. Pepperoni goes beneath the cheese if it is the thick cut style, bacon goes on top, peppers go on top, onion goes below, etc.

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@ballsleon said:

I'm all for it! What about cheese, toppings, sauce? I can vouch that this makes a good pizza.

There are a few places around here (South Philadelphia) that do this. It is fine. I think people are missing the fact that a good pizza is made with good ingredients. The layering doesn't really matter.

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Dude I hate when pizzas are made that way! Almost a calling a pizza an open faced sandwich level reaction.

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I have never even thought of this before

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That's how my mom makes homemade pizza, so I'm all for toppings under the cheese, especially pepperoni.

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I'm all for it! What about cheese, toppings, sauce? I can vouch that this makes a good pizza.

This is the only way to make a good pizza.

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#38  Edited By Sdoots

Toppings under the cheese is fucking bullshit, and those who support it are weak, and their children are weak, and will have a weak bloodline.

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I am on the side of "Bad pizza is still good pizza, unless you ruin it with pineapple like a monster". But there are still *rules*, man. You can't just randomly throw pizza parts together and call it a pizza. Pizza is dough, sauce, cheese, toppings. Cooked in a pizzeria. Served in a cardboard box with a little plastic table in the middle. That's why frozen pizza isn't pizza. It's good eatin', but it's an entirely different food known as "pizza-adjacent". Homemade pizza? Pizza-adjacent. Toppings underneath the cheese? Pizza-far-adjacent, amongst foods such as the Pizza Bagel and the Pizza Roll.

This is why pizzamen study so long and hard to hone their craft, and why many have died trying to create the perfect pizza. It's not just a culinary art, but rather an advanced binding spell that turns the ingredients into something so much greater than the sum of its parts. Mess with the formula, and you risk unleashing a monstrosity nearly as terrifying as the Hawaiian Pizza. Respect the 'za. Be the 'za.

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#40 AlexW00d  Online

@ichthy said:

I've had sauce > toppings > cheese before, and that shit is the worst. The entire damn top part of the pizza will sometimes just slip off.

That's cause it was a shit pizza.

Realistically pizza should be even amounts of everything. Whenever I've made pizza there's never been a big thick layer of cheese like there is on american style pizzas though, everything's fairly balanced and the cheese is on top and below other things. Plus it depends on the cheese really, mascarpone can't really go under stuff else it would go weird.

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Some toppings belong on top, others under. Things you want crunchy. Other things, I think belong under the cheese. Things like mushrooms and black olives don't taste as good all dried out.

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#42  Edited By Humanity

@shindig: I prefer my toppings on top but honestly I'll eat a pizza however I don't care all that much. I love almost all types of pizza, apart from those gross seafood pizzas.

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This sounds intriguing but would ruin my (admittedly fucken weird) way of eating pizzas which is:

1. Eat all of the toppings

2. Use garlic bread to mop up the sauce (if garlic bread still available) - consume

3. Fold pizza base with remnants of sauce in half

4. Consume

It fucken rocks

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I think I had stealth pepperoni below the cheese one time when I ate pizza and it was alright. I'd still go with having toppings be, well, toppings on top of pizza. However, I'm not enitrely against the idea of toppings below cheese if its not too messy.

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I get pizza from this local place, my go-to is pepperoni rosa and anchovies (they're good dammit!). For a couple years they always put the toppings on top of the cheese, sprinkle some red pepper flakes on there, it was delicious. One fateful day I ordered the pizza, picked it up, and to my dismay the toppings were under the cheese. They fucked it up, plain and simple and they've been doing it ever since. I don't know what the deal is but it changes the flavor for me. I need to see how much pepperoni and salty-ass fish I'm about to bite into and I can't with the damn cheese on top. AHHHH!

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Just wanted to say, I hate pizza.

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Pizza is science! A good slice held in one or two hands holds together enough to take a bite. You can't have topping falling off, or sauce with a consistency that allows for cheese and toppings slide off. Which is not to say a pizza that doesn't hold together tastes bad....it just not pizza.. its lasagna or something.

But, to cheat by putting cheese on top because your topping come off is cheating. Why not just put carpet staples in it to keep it together in that case. Pizza is science so you need to make it right . A stack of crust, sauce, cheese and toppings that use the laws of Newtonian physics to stay together is the only pizza.

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Yes this is how I Enjoy my pizza and how usually Dominoes makes their pizza (Im from London, UK) but what do I know people look down on me when I want to put pineapple on every pizza

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I've had pizzas served this way. It's a nice little excursion from the norm but it is not my preference, I think primarily because I think this method requires too much cheese for my taste.