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June PPVs

● June 3 - NJPW Best of the Super Jr. 24 Finals @ 4am EDT / 9am BST

● June 4 - WWE Extreme Rules @ 8pm EDT / 1am BST

● June 11 - NJPW Dominion 6.11 in Osaka-jo Hall @ 3am EDT / 8am BST

● June 18 - WWE Money in the Bank @ 8pm EDT / 1am BST

● June 23 - ROH Best in the World '17 @ 9pm EDT / 2am BST

Current Wrestling Thread Match Ratings for 2017

RankingPromotionShowMonthWrestling Thread RatingWrestler 1Wrestler 2
1NXTTakeover: ChicagoMay5Pete DunneTyler Bate
1NJPWWrestle Kingdom 11January5Kazuchika OkadaKenny Omega
1NJPWDominionJune5Kazuchika OkadaKenny Omega
4NJPWGenesisApril4.85714286Kazuchika OkadaKatsuyori Shibata
5NJPWBOSJ Night 2May4.8RicochetWill Ospreay
6NJPWNew Beginning in OsakaFebruary4.75Tetsuya NaitoMichael Elgin
7NJPWBOSJ FinalsJune4.71428571Will OspreayKUSHIDA
8NJPWNew Japan Cup Night 2March4.666666667Tomohiro IshiiKenny Omega
8ROH15th AnniversaryMarch4.666666667The HardysThe Young Bucks, Roppongi Vice
8StardomYear End Climax 2016December4.666666667Io ShiraiMayu Iwatani
11NJPWNew Beginning in OsakaFebruary4.625Dragon LeeHiromu Takahashi
11WWEUK Championship Tournament Night 2January4.625Mark AndrewsPete Dunne
13PWGGood BoysMarch4.5Fenix / PentagonThe Young Bucks vs. Matt Sydal / Ricochet
13NJPWBOSJ Night 1May4.5Marty ScurllWill Ospreay
15NJPW45th AnniversaryMarch4.44444444Kazuchika OkadaKota Ibushi
16ROHWar of the WorldsMay4.42857143Jay WhiteWill Ospreay
16RPWHigh StakesJanuary4.42857143Matt RiddleKatsuyori Shibata
18NJPWNew Japan Cup Night 4March4.42857Katsuyori ShibataTomohiro Ishii
19NJPW45th AnniversaryMarch4.4Katsuyori ShibataZack Sabre Jr.
20WWEUK Championship Tournament Night 2January4.384615Pete DunneTyler Bate

Best of 2016 (The Brass Ring Awards)

Day 1

Wrestling Thread Moment of the Year™: Matt Hardy fucking up Jeff Hardy's yard

Best Weekly Show: Cruiserweight Classic (WWE)

Show of the Year: Battle of Los Angeles Night 2 (PWG)

Breakout / Rookie of the Year - Jeff Cobb / Matanza Cueto

Day 2

Most Improved: Matt Hardy

Best Tag Team: The Revival

Worst Match: Shelly Martinez vs. Rebel

Biggest News: Daniel Bryan's Retirement

Day 3

Wrestler of the Year (Male) - Kenny Omega

Wrestler of the Year (Female) - Asuka

Top 25 Matches of the Year (25-21) (20-11) (10-1)

25. Trent? vs. Chuck Taylor (PWG Thirteen)

24. Sexy Star vs. Mariposa - No Mas! (Lucha Underground)

23. Kyle O'Reilly vs. KUSHIDA (NJPW Battle of Super Juniors Day 1)

22. Team Liger vs. Team Ciampa (PWG BOLA Night 3)

21. Sami Zayn vs. Kevin Owens (WWE Battleground)

20. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Naomichi Marufuji (NJPW G1 Climax: Day 13 2:38:00)

19. American Alpha vs. The Revival (NXT Takeover: Dallas)

18. Johnny Gargano vs. Tommaso Ciampa (CWC)

17. AJ Styles vs. Shinsuke Nakamura (NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10)

16. Brian Kendrick vs. Kota Ibushi (CWC)

15. Hiroki Goto vs. Kenny Omega (NJPW G1 Climax Finals 3:45:00)

14. Kenny Omega vs. Michael Elgin (NJPW Dominion)

13. Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi (NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10)

12. Ladder War 6 (ROH All Star Extravaganza 8)

11. Tomohiro Ishii vs. Katsuyori Shibata (NJPW Wrestle Kingdom 10)

10. Dragon Gate Dead or Alive 2016 (n/a)

9. Sami Zayn vs. Shinsuke Nakamura (NXT Takeover: Dallas)

8. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tetsuya Naito (NJPW Dominion)

7. Cedric Alexander vs. Kota Ibushi (CWC)

6. Kazuchika Okada vs. Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW G1 Climax Night 13 2:13:00)

5. Mount Rushmore (The Young Bucks & Adam Cole) vs. Will Ospreay, Ricochet, & Matt Sydal (PWG BOLA Night 2)

4. Will Ospreay vs. Ricochet (NJPW Battle of the Super Juniors Day 6 2:09:00)

3. DIY vs. The Revival (NXT Takeover: Toronto)

2. Kazuchika Okada vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi (NJPW G1 Climax Night 17)

1. Kenny Omega vs. Tetsuya Naito (NJPW G1 Climax Night 18)

Best of 2015 (The Brass Ring Awards)

Day 1

The Wrestling Thread Moment of the Year™ - Shoot Dragon

Breakout Star - Chad Gable

Spot of the Year - AJ Styles reverses Kota Ibushi's Pheonix Splash into the Styles Clash

News of the Year - Hulk Hogan's racist rant

Best Promotion - Lucha Underground

Day 2

Best Entrance - Rusev rides a tank into WrestleMania

Best Twitter Follow - Kevin Owens

Worst Moment of the Year - Roman Reign's Tater Tots promo

Worst Match of the Year - WWE Royal Rumble 2015

Feud of the Year - Mil Muertes vs. Fenix

Day 3

Most Improved - Tetsuya Naito

Tag Team of the Year - The New Day

PPV/Show of the Year - Ultima Lucha

Best Female Wrestler - Sasha Banks

Best Male Wrestler - AJ Styles

Top Ten Matches of 2015

10. Brock Lesnar vs. John Cena vs. Seth Rollins (WWE - Royal Rumble)

9. Io Shirai & Mayu Iwatani Vs. DASH Chisako & Sendai Sachiko (Stardom - 5★Grand Prix 2015 Finals)

8. Shingo Takagi vs. Masaaki Mochizuki (Dragon Gate - Gate of Destiny)

7. KUSHIDA vs. Kyle O'Reilly (NJPW - Best of the Super Jr. Final)

6. Hiroshi Tanahashi vs. Kazuchika Okada (NJPW - Wrestle Kingdom 9)

5. Tomoaki Honma vs. Tomohiro Ishii (NJPW - Power Struggle)

4. Kairi Hojo (c) vs. Meiko Satomura (Stardom - Galaxy Stars)

3. Mil Muertes vs. Fenix (Lucha Underground - Grave Consequences)

2. Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Kota Ibushi (NJPW - Wrestle Kingdom 9)

1. Sasha Banks (c) vs. Bayley (NXT - Takeover: Brooklyn)

Best of 2014 (The Brass Ring Awards)

Day 1

Wrestling Thread Moment of the Year - The Hemme Hole

Best Tag Team of the Year - Miz & Mizdow

Best Dirt Sheet Newz of the Year - CM Punk Saga

Rookie of the Year - Alexa Bliss

Day 2

Best Entrance - OKADA X RAPTOR

Most Improved - Tyson Kidd

Worst Moment - You Should Have Died In The Womb

Stable of the Year - The Shield

Day 3

Promotion of the Year - NXT

Best Wrestling Game of the Year - The Vanishing of Ethan Carter

Best Feud - Daniel Bryan vs. The Authority

Worst Match of the Year - Cameron vs. Naomi

Day 4

Best Female Wrestler of the Year - Charlotte

Best Male Wrestler of the Year - Sami Zayn

Best Non-WWE Match of the Year - Kazuchika Okada vs. Shinsuke Nakamura (NJPW - G1 Climax Finals)

Best WWE Match of the Year - The Shield vs. The Wyatt Family (WWE - Elimination Chamber)

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#2 Posted by Oldirtybearon (5626 posts) -

What the hell happened to the other thread?

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#3 Posted by turboman (9185 posts) -

What the hell happened to the other thread?

  • Our messages wouldn't display for 10 minutes, coordinating chat rooms was becoming a pain.
  • Slow loading
  • Duplicate posts
  • "Last Page" was off
  • Couldn't ever update the name of the thread/first page

We basically pushed Giant Bomb to its limits.

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#4 Posted by Oldirtybearon (5626 posts) -

@turboman: I would say that went...

Over the Limit.

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#5 Posted by AlexanderSheen (5150 posts) -

@turboman said:

@oldirtybearon said:

What the hell happened to the other thread?

  • Our messages wouldn't display for 10 minutes, coordinating chat rooms was becoming a pain.
  • Slow loading
  • Duplicate posts
  • "Last Page" was off
  • Couldn't ever update the name of the thread/first page

We basically pushed Giant Bomb to its limits.

Most of these are happening with the anime thread too.

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#6 Posted by Rabid619 (1124 posts) -

@turboman Yeaaaaaaaaaaaah! Glad to see the old girl finally put down, though sad at the same time. As I said in the last message I just posted in the old thread, it had become our Ric Flair. Never wanted to give up, despite being far past it's prime. This thread, right here, will be our Daniel Bryan. Our new generation.

RIP my old friend, LOVE LIVE THE NEW THREAD!

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#7 Edited by hockeymask27 (3696 posts) -

So I caved a skim through total divas. Basically I stopped at every part that involved being actually back stage or superstars. I kind of want a male version now. Cena in normal clothes scares me. Also I couldn't help but laugh near the end when cena comes out instead of the bella's at WM the looks lol.

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#9 Edited by turboman (9185 posts) -

@laserbolts said:

This is an outright shame. So I haven't watched wrestling in like 3 months or something. Is it still bad?

No! It's actually quite good right now.

  • Summer of YES! is happening... right now! Daniel Bryan has been on a fucking role over the past month and has provided a 4 star match every single Raw (seriously, go find the Bryan vs. Cesaro match). Daniel Bryan vs. John Cena at Summerslam
  • CM Punk vs. Brock Lesnar feud is absolutely brutal
  • Damien Sandow won MITB and turned on Cody Rhodes
  • Dolph Ziggler is now owning it as a face
  • Bray Wyatt has debuted and is absolutely incredible
  • The Shield is still walking around like they own the place
  • The feud between AJ and Kaitlyn has been a pleasure to watch
  • Raddox is running Raw

There is very little to complain about right now

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#10 Posted by InternetDotCom (3527 posts) -

So is Total Divas a show that admits wrestling is characters and not real that is going to end up with in ring feuds in the part that they talk about being a performance on Total Divas?

My head hurts

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#11 Posted by MildMolasses (3200 posts) -

So is Total Divas a show that admits wrestling is characters and not real that is going to end up with in ring feuds in the part that they talk about being a performance on Total Divas?

My head hurts

Boobs

That's really all you should be getting out of that show

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#12 Posted by theveej (943 posts) -

I have this terrible feeling that WWE is gonna do a major swerve at SummerSlam and do a screwjob angle against either Cena or Bryan. That match needs to end cleanly with Bryan winning the title, I would even be okay with Bryan losing it right afterwards to Orton, but I really hope there isn't any shenanigans involved with the match itself.

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#14 Posted by joshthebear (2704 posts) -

So yeah, I'm all in on Total Divas.

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#15 Posted by Krullban (1471 posts) -
@theveej said:

I have this terrible feeling that WWE is gonna do a major swerve at SummerSlam and do a screwjob angle against either Cena or Bryan. That match needs to end cleanly with Bryan winning the title, I would even be okay with Bryan losing it right afterwards to Orton, but I really hope there isn't any shenanigans involved with the match itself.

Cena wins cleanly and nothing happens.

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#16 Posted by papercut (4112 posts) -

I love that new thread smell. Welcome fiends old and new. I look forward to 10,000 more post and to break this thread as well!

The Wrestling Thread marches on!

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#17 Posted by Hadoken101 (1961 posts) -

Hooray for the new thread! Kind of crazy to realize the first one had reached 13k posts. Here's hoping WWE keeps on this upswing that they're on.

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#18 Posted by GunslingerPanda (5182 posts) -

Wrasslin'!

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#19 Posted by icytower38 (549 posts) -

A new thread and more then a passing interest in RAW for the first time in a few years, maybe time to start posting.

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#20 Posted by WilliamHenry (1285 posts) -

Have all those matches actually been announced for SS, or are you just assuming they will? Also might want to put spoiler tags around a few of them as that matches to determine the SS matches haven't actually aired yet.

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#21 Posted by Demoskinos (17355 posts) -

So for the record I think you are all crazy the old thread loaded just fine for me. Anyways, with a new thread comes the opportunity to examine my wrestling fandom and where I stand with that. I think It may be finally time for an extended break again. Money in the bank was the first PPV Ive missed in like 3-4 years. And I find myself ever tired of the actual wrestling part of wrestling. Which can't be good right? I just feel distracted while watching it. That might be because of my ever growing recent interest in the FGC and SpeedRunning scenes. Anyways, Ill always be proud I was part of the NWO style takeover we pushed even way back in the days of wrestling ring. (R.I.P WRESTLING RING) its been fun participating but as Ive done before in the past I think its time for a break like... at least a year or so. Ive done this a few times now. Missed a lot of the early 00's stuff around the invasion angle then started watching again in 05'-08' then fell off again and started watching again around late 09'- now. Hopefully I can get back into it in the future but as for now I think I might get into speedrunning in a more serious capacity once I can get ahold of some streaming/capture gear. Its been fun gents and Ill be around the site so I hope to see you all around!

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#22 Posted by Hadoken101 (1961 posts) -

@demoskinos I feel that it's best to do this officially

"We wish Demoskinos the best in his future endeavours."

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#23 Posted by turboman (9185 posts) -
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#24 Posted by Rick_Fingers (525 posts) -

We're here

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#25 Edited by zombiesatemycereal (436 posts) -

Time to break in the new thread! *hits it with a chair*

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#26 Posted by TheMattMercer (9 posts) -

I have been totally obsessed with the whole Chikara story thing that I am totally disinterested in watching Raw every Monday but I will say that Daniel Bryan is the guy that keeps me following what's going on.

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#27 Edited by crusader8463 (14757 posts) -

Been so long since I kept up with wrestling. My Dad keeps sleeping through all the weekly shows and PPV's and I still catch the odd bit from time to time, but that's about it. Every time I sit down to watch it I always give up in boredom after a match or two. I just don't like any of the guys wrestling right now. That said, I still enjoy watching wrestling Documentaries. Specifically the behind the scenes shoots and what not.

I still loved getting wrestling games and making CAWS to fight online, but now that all the nextgen consoles have pay to play online I guess I won't get to do that anymore. Unless hell freezes over and they come to PC.

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#28 Posted by WilliamHenry (1285 posts) -

@krullban said:
@theveej said:

I have this terrible feeling that WWE is gonna do a major swerve at SummerSlam and do a screwjob angle against either Cena or Bryan. That match needs to end cleanly with Bryan winning the title, I would even be okay with Bryan losing it right afterwards to Orton, but I really hope there isn't any shenanigans involved with the match itself.

Cena wins cleanly and nothing happens.

If that happens, they will have thrown away a huge opportunity with Bryan. If he loses cleanly to Cena, all his momentum will be killed instantly. I don't think he will ever be as hot as he is now if he loses. I think having him win and Orton cash in would be a terrible idea as well. Bryan is too hot right now not to win the title and hold it for at least a little while. Somebody getting this over with this type of momentum happens so rarely. If they do anything to derail it, it might bring Bryan down for the rest of his career. Bryan going against Vince with Orton as his new corporate champion might work and allow Bryan to keep his momentum, but I wouldn't be surprised if it kills it as well.

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#29 Posted by Apparatus_Unearth (3703 posts) -

Maybe I missed it somewhere, but is there a link to the live chat?

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#30 Edited by turboman (9185 posts) -

@crusader8463: I'd recommend watching it with a live chat and seeing how that goes for ya

@apparatus_unearth: somebody will post one up before every Raw/smackdown/PPV/whatever We also have a weekly show we put on every Wednesday (hey @drx25, are we doing Wednesday Night Wrasslin tomorrow?)

I have been totally obsessed with the whole Chikara story thing that I am totally disinterested in watching Raw every Monday but I will say that Daniel Bryan is the guy that keeps me following what's going on.

We are too! King of Trios is supposed to be coming up soon... I'm sure they wouldn't skip out of their biggest payday of the year for an angle... right!?

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#31 Edited by Dynablade (182 posts) -

Gotta say I am loving this huge push for Daniel Bryan. Bout time he gets a WWE Title shot.

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#32 Posted by GunslingerPanda (5182 posts) -
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:(

Some wrestling fans are real pieces of shit.

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#33 Posted by cmblasko (2466 posts) -

Meet the new thread, same as the old thread. Good to see you guys.

@gunslingerpanda: How the heck did that guy make it that far into the ring? Guy must have mental problems to do something like that. Classy of Orton to not straight-up stomp the guy.

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#35 Posted by Apparatus_Unearth (3703 posts) -

:(

Some wrestling fans are real pieces of shit.

I'm questioning how legitimate this video is, seeing as how WWE themselves posted it. Could it be a work?

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#36 Edited by InternetDotCom (3527 posts) -

It is really weird, it does look like a planned run-in now, but they were banking on cell phone footage of it?

Or they took they video?

Maybe they want to blur the lines again?

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#37 Edited by turboman (9185 posts) -

The video was made by a kid in the audience, if you search for it on YouTube you'll find the original (horribly shot) video. Doubt it was worked since Big E looked like he wanted to kick the shit out of somebody.

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Somebody on Wreddit has compiled all of the things that have happened in the TNA Trainwreck.

  • Significant cut backs on flying in wrestlers for tapings.

  • Office staff, vendors, and wrestlers (reportedly even Hogan) began receiving their paychecks late. Even the OVW developmental guys were getting paid late.

  • Rumors of morale sinking, with many wrestlers sending out feelers through WWE friends to see if there was interest there.

  • Many staff members deals restructured and asked to take paycuts or to work on per-night appearances.

  • Senior VP of Programming and Talent Relations Bruce Prichard released after refusing to take a paycut.

  • TNA agent D-Lo Brown agrees to per-night deal, only to be laid off anyway.

  • Lindsey Bynum, manager of live events publicity left the company (unsure if quit or laid off)

  • Matt Morgan released (reportedly asked for it after seeing the writing on the wall)

  • DOC (who was seemingly in the midst of a storyline), Tara, Taelor Hendrix all released from their contracts. Taelor Hendrix goes on to confirm in interviews that talent are being paid late.

  • TNA house show in Missouri is changed because someone dropped the ball and Chris Sabin, Garett Bischoff, Jay Bradley, Wes Brisco, Gail Kim and Miss Tessmacher were all unable to get licensed to wrestle in the state.

  • Dixie Carter gives a speech to the locker room, to try and reassure everyone that things are going to be fine...which usually is a sign that they're not. Here's a video of the speech.

  • TNA releases Jesse Sorenson, a guy who literally broke his neck for the company. Although reasons have since come out that make it sound as though TNA was perhaps justified, it's still a PR nightmare.

  • Then #AskDixie happens, and well....yeah. It didn't go well, to say the least.

  • Word comes out that Taz tried to jump ship from TNA but was unable to get WWE to sign him.

  • The coup de gras: Dixie Carter releases a long statement online to the fans, attempting to once again reassure everyone that things are fine, which...once again, when things get so bad that you feel the need to address the rumors publicly, generally things are the total opposite of "fine." The President of the company being forced to address rumors about their stability is not something that makes employees, networks, or investors feel confident.

  • TNA recently cancelled 2 live events in the northwest due to low ticket sales

  • TNA OnDemand subscribers have started getting emails stating that the video on demand service will no longer be offered as of Friday, August 2. Refunds will be given to subscribers. But were reminded that they could still watch videos on TNA's YouTube channel.

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#38 Posted by Rabid619 (1124 posts) -
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#39 Posted by ImmortalSaiyan (4748 posts) -

I don't watch wrestling but find hearing about it interesting. I had no idea TNA was in such troubles.

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#40 Edited by iAmJohn (6245 posts) -

Argh, fitting that I totally botch my first post in the wrestling thread by forgetting how to make gifs. Anyway, Tyler Breeze is pretty cool huh guys?

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#41 Edited by DrX25 (1795 posts) -

@demoskinos: PLEASE DON'T GO! PLEASE DON'T GO!

ONE MORE MATCH! ONE MORE MATCH!

In other news, WNW will be tomorrow at 10 PM EDT.

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#42 Posted by TheHBK (5670 posts) -

@turboman: Dude, just seeing all together, now I feel bad that shit is going down like that. Chris Sabin or Bully Ray as champion? Rehashing the MEM. Man, not like WWE is gonna take a lot of em in.

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#43 Posted by joshthebear (2704 posts) -

@turboman: Jesus, TNA is sounding pretty fucking dire.

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#44 Posted by MHumphreys89 (788 posts) -

@@demoskinos Good luck on the streaming.

Good to have a new thread, the old was acting strange for me to; posts took awhile to appear after posting.

I realise this week's Raw was taped but did anybody notice how edited it was? the amount of audio-massaging was ridiculous.

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#45 Edited by Aronleon (1152 posts) -

After being buried alive the Wrestling Thread returns demanding some respect from all other threads.

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With that out of the way I have finally catch up with WWE and TNA again, Im very happy with the ways things are going on WWE, so many good feuds to watch and enjoy and most of them make sense. TNA on the other hand, I do feel bad for them, sure they are bad but at the same time they were the other "big" company for many guys and they did make some good matches and feuds here and there, but the future doesn't look all that bright now.

@demoskinos: YOU STILL GOT IT!! YOU STILL GOT IT!!

Will be here when you decide to come back duder.

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#46 Posted by k9 (653 posts) -

No need to worry about TNA anymore. The great Muta is coming and bringing in a TNA x Japan talent exchange program with him:

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Plus, just look at mysterious happenings currently going down at TNA:

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Taz: Is that who I think he is.

Tenay: Oh my God. What is My-ven doing here at the Impact Zone?

Taz: Let's hear what he has to say.

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#47 Posted by MjHealy (2004 posts) -

The wrestling thread, she returns. Brought to you by NXT's Emma.

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#48 Posted by GunslingerPanda (5182 posts) -

@k9 said:


Plus, just look at mysterious happenings currently going down at TNA:

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Taz: Is that who I think he is.

Tenay: Oh my God. What is My-ven doing here at the Impact Zone?

Taz: Let's hear what he has to say.

HAHAHA, All I can hear is "August 1, Spike TV," and him saying he's not an employee of Spike TV. whut

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#49 Edited by SamStrife (1330 posts) -

No mention of what happened to Randy Orton at a house show in South Africa yet?

Check this out if you haven't seen it already:

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That's a fan who was supposedly attacking Big E Langston during his and Randy Orton's match and then did that afterwords.

So stupid...

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#50 Edited by GunslingerPanda (5182 posts) -

No mention of what happened to Randy Orton at a house show in South Africa yet?

Scroll up! We all thought it was terrible and were saddened by it. :(