If you thought the Walmart thing was something, get a load of this:
"Wang (David) Chen, who owns the Lucky Moose Food Mart, was charged with kidnapping, forcible confinement, assault and carrying a concealed weapon after taking down a shoplifter whose picture is plastered on storefronts throughout the Chinatown community. On May 28, Chen - who says he's waited on police for hours after reporting thefts - took it upon himself to capture the criminal."
Source: The Canadian Press
Your thoughts on this?
Toronto Grocer Gets Arrested for Catching Thief
I don't understand why that crap happens. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you hit them with a bat, they can sue you. It's dumb. That man did nothing wrong.
" I don't understand why that crap happens. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you hit them with a bat, they can sue you. It's dumb. That man did nothing wrong. "You won't think it's so stupid when you get cracked over the back of the skull with a bat, all because you wanted a few new CD's.
Doesn't Canada have citizens arrest provisions? As long as you use appropriate force to detain a criminal, I can't see how that is illegal. Odd.
I see you have to catch them in the act. Seems an excessive use of technicality of law. Someone in the Justice Department is an arse.
" @gingertastic_10 said:If someone is in my house, I am not waiting for them to produce a gun or knife first before I would act. Granted my first action would be to escape the house and avoid a confrontation (nothing material is worth dying over), if I thought my family were at risk, I would do what it takes to defend them and not assume it is a simple theft scenario." I don't understand why that crap happens. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you hit them with a bat, they can sue you. It's dumb. That man did nothing wrong. "You won't think it's so stupid when you get cracked over the back of the skull with a bat, all because you wanted a few new CD's. "
" Doesn't Canada have citizens arrest provisions? As long as you use appropriate force to detain a criminal, I can't see how that is illegal. Odd. I see you have to catch them in the act. Seems an excessive use of technicality of law. Someone in the Justice Department is an arse. "Yeah that catch them in the act thing is a bitch.
There was a case not so long ago where a guy robbed a convenience store, and returned later to likely steal again. However before he was able to, the clerk recognized him and chased him out of the store to catch him. He got charged with assault because, at the time, the man wasn't doing anything wrong.
The thief plead guilty to two counts of theft was sentenced to 90 days in jail. That sentence was reduced to 30 days because he agreed to testify against the shop owner. With time already served, he got out in just 10 days.
See, everything I said in the last day and half about collecting and compiling evidence to submit to legal authorities for the purposes of prosecution means nothing if the criminal law means nothing. And in Toronto, that's a good way to describe our criminal justice system.
(Six friends and counting detained or dispossessed without charge by a specific division of the Toronto Police Service which will remain nameless for the time being.)
My knowledge of Canadian law enforcement starts at the Mounties and and ends at those parents who locked their kids in cages for years on end only getting 9 months in jail.
" The thief plead to two counts of theft was sentenced to 90 days in jail. That sentence was reduced to 30 days because he agreed to testify against the shop owner. With time already served, he got out in just 10 days. "Wow, way to fail Canadian Justice System. You can expect more stories like these, because of this. Did no one else in the justice department take a moment and say, "Wait, hold on, wtf are we doing?"
" @FrankCanada97: Wait a second, the fucker got a plea bargain against the pseudo-vigilante?! Woooooooooow, that's even worse. Toronto's a piece of shit. "Wouldn't go as far as calling Toronto shit, but that would perfectly describe our justice system.
" @FrankCanada97 said:Blame loopholes in the system, lawyers for exploiting it and politicians for doing nothing to fix it." The thief plead to two counts of theft was sentenced to 90 days in jail. That sentence was reduced to 30 days because he agreed to testify against the shop owner. With time already served, he got out in just 10 days. "Wow, way to fail Canadian Justice System. You can expect more stories like these, because of this. Did no one else in the justice department take a moment and say, "Wait, hold on, wtf are we doing?" "
" @DanielJW said:I agree with you on that. My grandfather always had his shotgun and bulletproof vest by his bed whenever he went to sleep, and my dad had kept a couple pistols in the house for safety measures. Can never be too safe when someone is trying to break into your house. My grandfather was a Chicago police officer in case your wondering." @gingertastic_10 said:If someone is in my house, I am not waiting for them to produce a gun or knife first before I would act. Granted my first action would be to escape the house and avoid a confrontation (nothing material is worth dying over), if I thought my family were at risk, I would do what it takes to defend them and not assume it is a simple theft scenario. "" I don't understand why that crap happens. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you hit them with a bat, they can sue you. It's dumb. That man did nothing wrong. "You won't think it's so stupid when you get cracked over the back of the skull with a bat, all because you wanted a few new CD's. "
" I can't try to comment on the situation, as I'm not too familiar with Canadian laws versus U.S. laws. However...that's bullshit. "As others have said, you have to actually catch the person in the act before engaging in a citizen's arrest. In this case, the thief stole plants from an hour earlier and was caught on tape.
" @FrankCanada97: Wait a second, the fucker got a plea bargain against the pseudo-vigilante?!"Yeah, if that's true that's amazing to me. It's one thing to "uphold the law" regardless of the perpetrator and victim, but giving a shoplifter a plea bargain to testify against the guy who was just trying to keep him off the streets? That's pretty messed up.
That's the strangest part. I don't agree with but I understand the fact that what Chen did was illegal. It boggles my mind that they're would give him a reduced sentence for testifying against Chen. Isn't that a judgment call or does anyone get a reduced sentence if they're willing to testify against someone else.
Let's why the crime and the justice, shall we pitchfork mob?
Crime-stealing plants
"Justice"- kidnapping, forcible confinement, assault and carrying a concealed weapon
More deaths in this world were done in the name of justice than for any other reason, and its in no small part thanks to the kind of mouthbreathers who read a story like this and go "give this man a medal".
I'm kidding, by the way. Pretty sure charges like kidnapping and forced confinement have a longer timer on them than 4 minutes. I've been stopped by solicitors longer than that, never thought to charge them with kidnapping.
" @oldschool said:Whilst I am not a fan of guns (more likely you will shoot a relative or be shot by it), I can understand why. I used to sleep with an axe when I was camping a lot in the hills of Victoria. After watching Wolf Creek, now I won't go camping at all ^_^" @DanielJW said:I agree with you on that. My grandfather always had his shotgun and bulletproof vest by his bed whenever he went to sleep, and my dad had kept a couple pistols in the house for safety measures. Can never be too safe when someone is trying to break into your house. My grandfather was a Chicago police officer in case your wondering. "" @gingertastic_10 said:If someone is in my house, I am not waiting for them to produce a gun or knife first before I would act. Granted my first action would be to escape the house and avoid a confrontation (nothing material is worth dying over), if I thought my family were at risk, I would do what it takes to defend them and not assume it is a simple theft scenario. "" I don't understand why that crap happens. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you hit them with a bat, they can sue you. It's dumb. That man did nothing wrong. "You won't think it's so stupid when you get cracked over the back of the skull with a bat, all because you wanted a few new CD's. "
" @jakob187: They're not all that different with respect to detention and arrest protocols. And no, Frank, it's not 22 Division. I don't want to say which Division because I don't want the stalkers of Giant Bomb to track me down and laugh at my lame-ass video game setup ;) "So you don't live in Etobicoke-Centre or Etobicoke-Lakeshore eh? Hmm, that leaves me with nine tenths of the city left to work with. :P
" @FrankCanada97: Just to clarify: I don't think that the people, the parks, the architecture, or the culture of Toronto are pieces of shit, just its political and legal institutions. "What about the traffic?
" you canadians thinkin your all strong livin in igloos. "I'll fucking club your ass.
" @indigo_man said:" you canadians thinkin your all strong livin in igloos. "I'll fucking club your ass. "
oops did i fuckin melt it?
Also traffic problems stem from the tragedy of the commons on our roadways, so I would incorporate those issues into my statement about the political and legal institutions being pieces of shit.
" @indigo_man said:Well, Labrador is up north. :P" you canadians thinkin your all strong livin in igloos. "I'll fucking club your ass. "
" @Bucketdeth said:" @indigo_man said:Well, Labrador is up north. :P "" you canadians thinkin your all strong livin in igloos. "I'll fucking club your ass. "
i thought labrador was still a part of britain.
" @FrankCanada97: I live within walking distance of five subway stations, and I've never bothered getting my driver's license. Also traffic problems stem from the tragedy of the commons on our roadways, so I would incorporate those issues into my statement about the political and legal institutions being pieces of shit. "You got that right, who leaves a main arterial road relatively unchanged for over 100 years!? Plus, you inadvertently gave me more clues to work with :P
" @FrankCanada97 said:I thought the whole of Canada was still a part of Britain. :P hehe" @Bucketdeth said:i thought labrador was still a part of britain. "" @indigo_man said:Well, Labrador is up north. :P "" you canadians thinkin your all strong livin in igloos. "I'll fucking club your ass. "
" @TinoXtreme: My grandfather plays the slots and coughs really loud. "My grandfather recently married a german woman and eats a lot of health food.
"Okay people, let's not derail this topic. "
you better change that flag in your display pitcure soon because pretty soon its gonna have shit all over it.
Anyways, yeah, back on topic. It is okay for a company to have a policy that deters employees from risking their lives (i.e., I have no reason to object to a no-chase policy or firing employees for not adhering to it), it is not okay for the public prosecutor to use the plea bargain of the perpetrator of the first crime to prosecute a person whose only "crime" was defending his property in lieu of a total lack of police assistance.
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