Uploading or Downloading?

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Poll: Uploading or Downloading? (25 votes)

Upload Info 28%
Download Info 72%

A real dumb question I got in a argument about

IF. you have a USB stick and are transferring information from the stick onto a computer does the button you click to make that happen say upload or download?

I think it should say download since you are operating/interacting with the computer, you are viewing it from the perspective of the computer which mean you are downloading information from an external source

My friend thinks it should take the perspective of you as a person/or the usb stick and that you are uploading information you have onto something else

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#1  Edited By frytup

Unless data is being transferred over a network, neither applies in my mind.

If I'm sending data to someone over a network, I'm uploading. If I'm receiving data from someone over a network, I'm downloading. If I'm in the same physical location as the PC I'm interacting with, and I'm transferring data to that PC using some external device, I'm just copying.

TL;DR, this is only confusing because you're using the terminology wrong.

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#2  Edited By Shiftygism

"We need you to get in and upload a tracker to our target's laptop without detection."

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You're copying, or moving.

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#4  Edited By Rejizzle  Online

I guess technically you are adding a drive and then streaming information to and from you primary drive and the USB drive.

It may seem unintuitive, but a usb is not at all similar to a network you can download or upload things to. Instead, its essentially a CD that uses flash memory.

TLDR; there should be an option that says "Neither."

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#5  Edited By Shiftygism

@rejizzle: Yes, but no contests are lame. Hollywood uploading/downloading logic points to a victor, one with an asterisk, but a victor none the less.

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It is transferring. Unless its is a Sony Vita, in which case ist if transfarring.

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I'd consider it copying a file, since it's typically mounted directly on your computer rather than as a network share. Uploading/downloading applies to file transfers over a network.

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#8  Edited By Tophar01  Online

My god. I've opened up an even worse can of worms. =\

So I used a computer and usb drive in my example because I thought it would be easier to understand, but I can see that has caused more confusion with the ability to just easily drag and drop files.

It is not exactly a USB drive and computer, I work on airplanes but the concept is the same, we have data on a on an external device, we plug that into the plane and are presented with text on a screen to either upload or download. If I want to transfer information from the external device to the airplane, what button should I hit?

@frytup@rejizzle

Also people who are saying that those terms don't apply are just doubly wrong. The definition of downloading and upload is transferring data from one point to the other, it is not exclusive to the internet.

Within video games people who buy physical media go home, put the disc into the system and then the systems downloads all or part of the game to the hard drive (talking specifically from the disc, not the internet)

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#9  Edited By Onemanarmyy

If there are two choices, one that says upload and one that says download i would assume

uploading = sending data from the plane to the external device

downloading = sending data from the device to the plane.

Unless the text is presented & interacted with on the device itself. In that case you are uploading data from the device to the plane & downloading data from the plane towards the device.

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#10  Edited By Shiftygism

@tophar01: As I said before, think about it in terms of Hollywood logic. Spies upload viruses, tracking software, etc. from thumbdrives, and download secret information from a target's computer/laptop.

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#11 Tophar01  Online

@onemanarmyy: Thankyou!

Yes you are pushing button and interacting with a screen on the plane. Which is why I believe you should take the perspective of the plane

I also agree, if there were some sort of interface on the external device and that is what you were using, then it would be swapped.

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@tophar01 said:

@frytup@rejizzle

Also people who are saying that those terms don't apply are just doubly wrong. The definition of downloading and upload is transferring data from one point to the other, it is not exclusive to the internet.

Within video games people who buy physical media go home, put the disc into the system and then the systems downloads all or part of the game to the hard drive (talking specifically from the disc, not the internet)

Sorry, no. Anyone who uses "downloading" to refer to copying data from optical media to an internal drive is just straight up using the word wrong. That's just copying.

It does, in fact, mean transferring data over a network to a local device.

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So...the screen is on the plane and not the device? Then that would indeed be downloading. Not a great example as when I think of plane technicians, they have dianognostic devices with screens on them...is this a bet or just an argument because god damn...

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#14  Edited By fisk0  Moderator

I agree with the users who have already stated that neither option is accurate, but if we're forced to pick and answer I'll say you download from an external device, because the computer is the active part in the process - most external devices can not initiate the transfer on their own (even viruses spread on flash drives tend to use an exploit on the computer side rather than the flash storage side in order to spread). In USB terms we're talking a USB Host vs a USB Device. The host initiates processes, the device complies, thus the host downloads data from the device, the device does not upload data to the host. Most external storage devices can't even operate as hosts, unless they're specifically network drives and such, and then we're back to network terminology.

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You think this is bad, it’s even worse in languages that aren’t English. I’ve nearly had fights with software people over the right usage of загрузить and скачать in Russian. The first one *should* be upload because the verb’s prefix and root means “load onto” but they would use that word to mean both and it was enormously confusing for interface translation (while it was very rare for someone to use скачать which is *meant* to be the way to translate download).

The actual answer is to look at the words used in their exact context and not provide some vague examples to try and prove a point. Language is not a rigid thing and changes through usage and what and where they are applied

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@tophar01: Is the screen in the plane or on the external device?

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everyone is wrong. you're updogging

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The computer is definitely downloading the data from the device.

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everyone is wrong. you're updogging

What's updogg?

Quality comedy here.

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Schrödinger's USB

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I think it's about perspective and depends on the device you control. Uploading and downloading are quite simply sending and receiving., which one's doing which depends on your point of view.

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Its an airplane, right?

So there is a 2,000 page service manual. The service manual will say definitively what you are doing because it will explain in excruciating detail 'what' is doing what to what.