US08 Presidential Election Discussion

My point is I thought that was hilarious when I was studying it for history, BiggerBellend, so I'm not really bothered if you don't find it to be approaching humor.

No, I mean your comments in general. They're not funny.

This has to be, say, the fifth time where I have to point out that not everything I say is meant to be taken as a gag.

This has to be, say, the fifth time where I have to point out that nothing you say contributes to these forums.

Is the near 3,000 post count meant to make your opinion valid to me?

No, not in the least bit. Nevermind, this is stupid. No reason in even talking to you.

Always the way with you. You start shit then decide it's stupid.

BiggerBomd you got owned. Someone had to say it. HandsomeDead wins.

Is the near 3,000 post count meant to make your opinion valid to me?

Lol, check mate?

"BiggerBomd you got owned. Someone had to say it. HandsomeDead wins.

"Always the way with you. You start shit then decide it's stupid."

"BiggerBomd you got owned. Someone had to say it. HandsomeDead wins.

Is the near 3,000 post count meant to make your opinion valid to me?

Lol, check mate?"

"HandsomeDead said:

"Always the way with you. You start shit then decide it's stupid."

I start shit? You find every topic I post in and say some obnoxious comment about me unprovoked. I decided to stop bickering because I had a shitty day and don't want to deal with your crap. I'll take the higher ground and stop. You should do the same."

"BiggerBomb said:

"HandsomeDead said:

"Always the way with you. You start shit then decide it's stupid."

I start shit? You find every topic I post in and say some obnoxious comment about me unprovoked. I decided to stop bickering because I had a shitty day and don't want to deal with your crap. I'll take the higher ground and stop. You should do the same."

Because, for example, I mention to vote McCain because I put a bet on and you're all over it like a fly on shit, or, in this thread, I mention FDR and you're up in my grill. I'm sick of spelling it out for you but since you're feeling a little fragile right now, i'll go ahead and say that while not everything I say is meant to be funny, not everything I say is a fucking jibe at you."

Stayed up to watch this election, I knew Obama had it sewn up (been monitoring all the coverage for weeks), but it was nice to see it happen.

Hopefully he can deliver, he definitely has the ability, but I hope he sorts out healthcare for all you Americans, I genuinely feel sorry for you knowing that you can get denied treatment for preexisting conditions and we can just stroll into any hospital and get it no questions asked on the NHS (which has been getting increasingly privitised in the last few years, worryingly). Don't understand why a lot of Americans are so opposed to a nationalised system. Then again, perhaps the power of the health insurance lobby is too overbearing.

Glad he's willing to sit down with "enemies" and have a more responsible foreign policy, hopefully he can make Israel stop murdering Palestinian civilians on top of that.

I'd like to know something, though. Why is Socialism considered "bad" in the US? As a Socialist I get quite angry when it's bandied about as if it were a negative thing, same goes for Atheism (though I can't even imagine being in the position of a Muslim though, the religion was equated to terrorism in a not too subtle way, whether intentionally or not, by both candidates, not to mention Sarah Palin [God help us]).

"Stayed up to watch this election, I knew Obama had it sewn up (been monitoring all the coverage for weeks), but it was nice to see it happen.

Hopefully he can deliver, he definitely has the ability, but I hope he sorts out healthcare for all you Americans, I genuinely feel sorry for you knowing that you can get denied treatment for preexisting conditions and we can just stroll into any hospital and get it no questions asked on the NHS (which has been getting increasingly privitised in the last few years, worryingly). Don't understand why a lot of Americans are so opposed to a nationalised system. Then again, perhaps the power of the health insurance lobby is too overbearing.

Glad he's willing to sit down with "enemies" and have a more responsible foreign policy, hopefully he can make Israel stop murdering Palestinian civillians on top of that."

"AkumaX said:

"Stayed up to watch this election, I knew Obama had it sewn up (been monitoring all the coverage for weeks), but it was nice to see it happen.

Hopefully he can deliver, he definitely has the ability, but I hope he sorts out healthcare for all you Americans, I genuinely feel sorry for you knowing that you can get denied treatment for preexisting conditions and we can just stroll into any hospital and get it no questions asked on the NHS (which has been getting increasingly privitised in the last few years, worryingly). Don't understand why a lot of Americans are so opposed to a nationalised system. Then again, perhaps the power of the health insurance lobby is too overbearing.

Glad he's willing to sit down with "enemies" and have a more responsible foreign policy, hopefully he can make Israel stop murdering Palestinian civillians on top of that."

Exactly. The way you solve things is to sit down with your opponent, look him in the eyes, and talk. It's called diplomacy. Telling them to kiss our ass before we grace them with our presence will just cause more problems."

"BiggerBomb said:

"AkumaX said:

"Stayed up to watch this election, I knew Obama had it sewn up (been monitoring all the coverage for weeks), but it was nice to see it happen.

Hopefully he can deliver, he definitely has the ability, but I hope he sorts out healthcare for all you Americans, I genuinely feel sorry for you knowing that you can get denied treatment for preexisting conditions and we can just stroll into any hospital and get it no questions asked on the NHS (which has been getting increasingly privitised in the last few years, worryingly). Don't understand why a lot of Americans are so opposed to a nationalised system. Then again, perhaps the power of the health insurance lobby is too overbearing.

Glad he's willing to sit down with "enemies" and have a more responsible foreign policy, hopefully he can make Israel stop murdering Palestinian civillians on top of that."

Exactly. The way you solve things is to sit down with your opponent, look him in the eyes, and talk. It's called diplomacy. Telling them to kiss our ass before we grace them with our presence will just cause more problems."

What's worse is that the Bush family were best buddies with both Saddam and the Saudi Royal Family. The US sold them weapons for years, including biological weapon components. Thatcher and Reagan did it, Bush and Blair did it.

The fact the 9/11 attackers were trained in the US with US money makes the whole right-wing look like phenomenal idiots."

Don't be dicks.
First of all, FDR and the Japanese deal or Lincoln having slaves can be attributed to the times in which they lived. Now, we look back and say that school segregation was horrible and anyone who supported it was horrible, but respectable people truly believed in the "separate but equal" philosophy in its time. Today, people are split on abortion, and someday, people will look back and say either "They were all murderers!" or "They all hated women's rights!"
BiggerBomb, you're forgetting how influential Reagan was on both sides, and how, at times, both Bushes were immensely popular. Actually, at times, they had higher approval ratings then any president since Eisenhower. The approval quickly dropped, but still, you can't ignore those facts.
What it comes down to is what people remember and what historians write about the presidents. If everyone remembered FDR's racism against the Japanese, hiding his polio, his poor relationship with his wife, and attempts to seize greater power in many ways including expanding the supreme court, he wouldn't be so loved. If we all studied the great relations Nixon built with China, his bringing an end to Vietnam, the great impact he had on school de-segregation, ending the gold standard, establishing the EPA and OSHA, and aspirations for health care rather then Watergate, Nixon would be loved.

"Don't be dicks.
First of all, FDR and the Japanese deal or Lincoln having slaves can be attributed to the times in which they lived. Now, we look back and say that school segregation was horrible and anyone who supported it was horrible, but respectable people truly believed in the "separate but equal" philosophy in its time. Today, people are split on abortion, and someday, people will look back and say either "They were all murderers!" or "They all hated women's rights!"
BiggerBomb, you're forgetting how influential Reagan was on both sides, and how, at times, both Bushes were immensely popular. Actually, at times, they had higher approval ratings then any president since Eisenhower. The approval quickly dropped, but still, you can't ignore those facts.
What it comes down to is what people remember and what historians write about the presidents. If everyone remembered FDR's racism against the Japanese, hiding his polio, his poor relationship with his wife, and attempts to seize greater power in many ways including expanding the supreme court, he wouldn't be so loved. If we all studied the great relations Nixon built with China, his bringing an end to Vietnam, the great impact he had on school de-segregation, ending the gold standard, establishing the EPA and OSHA, and aspirations for health care rather then Watergate, Nixon would be loved."

I was telling both you and HandsomeDead not to be dicks. It was a comment about your behavior, not beliefs.

I wasn't saying that the Bushes were victimized, I was saying that once upon a time, everyone loved them. They changed that with poor decision making.

So, anyone who believed in the separate but equal philosophy cannot be regarded as respectable, but slave owners and bigots can, as long as they were good leaders?

"I was telling both you and HandsomeDead not to be dicks. It was a comment about your behavior, not beliefs.

I wasn't saying that the Bushes were victimized, I was saying that once upon a time, everyone loved them. They changed that with poor decision making.

So, anyone who believed in the separate but equal philosophy cannot be regarded as respectable, but slave owners and bigots can, as long as they were good leaders?"

Thanks for the (mostly) civil discussion.  I think we can safely unpin this now.

Don't know why nobody in the US really called out the Bush family before the last couple of years, they did it to further their own monetary interests, it's not rocket science.

Horrible, horrible greed at the top that costs lives.

"Don't know why nobody in the US really called out the Bush family before the last couple of years, they did it to further their own monetary interests, it's not rocket science.

Horrible, horrible greed at the top that costs lives."