@notnert427: I don't entirely agree, but I understand your point. I do agree that "gag humor" is lifeless and low-brow. Animaniacs (to cite an example in the thread) used the fourth wall as a shortcut to get information to the viewer to get around the time constraint of making a TV show for kids. That stuff doesn't hold up, it's too forced and obvious. I also don't think that fit into the trend of late 90s cartoons being kind of strange and surreal.
There are occasions though where I think it works if it's subtle and unexpected. It works well in American Beauty. It works well in Deadpool I think because that movie is so absurdist anyway. It works in The Wolf of Wall Street. It works in Amélie because it's critically important to her character. It also works in High Fidelity, which, similar to American Beauty, is really about one character and their relationships with other characters. It's a different context ("am I crazy" vs "hear me out") but I think it's effective.
It's a fine line. Even when Frank Underwood raps his ring on the desk of the oval office at the end of the first season of House of Cards, looking directly into the camera, are we really that surprised? Is he speaking to us as a viewer, or as the President, speaking to us as citizens? When the media asks something of us as viewers is when the fourth wall can be a tool instead of a crutch.
Game-wise I like how in the REmake if you shoot the screen it looks like there are bulletholes in it.
I don't know that I'd really count American Beauty. I guess the narration is fourth-wall-breaking, but that didn't really bother me. The way it's filmed features a bunch of head-on shots where it looks like the characters are talking to the audience, but I can't recall a moment in the film outside of Spacey's narration in which they actually are. If you want to call it a fourth-wall-breaking film, I won't fight you too hard, but I would then say that it's an example of how to do it well.
I didn't care for it much in Deadpool, honestly. I think Ryan Reynolds brought enough charm to that character without the fourth-wall stuff, and I think the movie was cheapened by including it. Still, I'll admit that Reynolds pulls off the cocky, irreverent stuff better than most, and Deadpool was fairly enjoyable in spite of actively breaking the fourth wall on multiple occasions. As an aside, Reynolds is kind of awesome and I'm not sure why he hasn't gotten more feature roles in quality movies.
I really dislike The Wolf of Wall Street as a movie, but not for any fourth-wall reason. From what I recall, it was mostly narration in that film anyway, and Scorcese has often framed his films as such. Goodfellas and Gangs of New York are two of his that I thought used it effectively, FWIW. I never saw Amelie, and it's been a long time since I've seen High Fidelity, but from what I remember of it, it was a Ferris Bueller-esque situation where it kind of fit the angsty tone and didn't particularly irk me.
I haven't watched House of Cards, but that kind of sounds like what American Beauty did, and I actually enjoy when something appears to be fourth-wall, but isn't. On a related note, one of my favorite examples of this is the narration at the end of S3E13 of Justified (terrific show, BTW; everyone go watch it). It throws you off because to my recollection, nowhere else in the entire series is narration used, and what initially sounds like Olyphant telling the audience how he felt transitions into a scene it which he's telling his ex about his day, which is a departure for his character in the show on top of that. That kind of subversion is masterful, and I love it.
Those are some interesting examples you brought up here, though, so thank you for that. They helped me clarify that I don't just hate all times the fourth wall is broken, and that I can even enjoy it, provided it's done with some nuance. Good discussion, duder!
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