@SeriouslyNow said:
@odezma: I often have 16-30 tabs open. I have 8 GB of RAM. Firefox and its betas rarely crash on me.
I am finding it hard to continue this conversation, wanna know why? Because you're one of those people who seeks to denigrate the person's argument with irrelevancies and straw-men rather than facts or the issues themselves. Granular filtering is regularly used to describe technical processes. Every heard of a binary chop or bayesian filter Mr 20 Year Programmer? Those are two forms of granular filtering. What about granular sampling synthesisers in House Music? Yes, again a process which uses granular filtering. Granular filtering refers, quite commonly, to the ability for any given algorithm or system to deal with many smaller components of data and manage them all in carefully orchestrated process where one part of that data will never override another unless the rules of the system or algorithm explicitly say so.
Chrome will never offer such scripting capabilities to its developers or end users because Google doesn't want any conflict with its AdSense and AdWords business models and so those things always take preference (which is why Adblock of any sort of Chrome, even in things like Iron, still downloads the ad frame data and still can't avoid executing some of the contents). I've used Chrome and Chromium browsers extensively with ScriptNo and, sure, on the surface it offers much of the Firefox with Noscript experience, but then you'll come to a website which explicitly shouldn't load and lo and behold it does! Not only that but you get some popunder too. That's because Chrome's base doesn't offer proper granular filtering and never will. Why do you think that some people flock to Chromium based browsers over Chrome itself? Could it be that they don't want their data being constantly shared with Google?
Chrome just runs a separate process for each tab, that's it, that's all. The contents of that tab are irrelevant. You're making stuff up to sound clever. That's not a security feature and it's actually a very dangerous practise when it comes to things like localised DoS attacks in current OS design (excluding Linux of course) because both OS X and Windows will elevate processes in order to manage them before killing them. I've worked as an Internet Security specialist and used to give lectures on these matters. The quickest way to take down a Windows system is to have many processes with the same id and get them all to be making requests at the same time. You end up with what's known as Thread Clashing. Which in turn can lead to the OS's thread manager (often in the same space as its security manager if we're talking current OS practices) being unable to deal with the requests and so the process manager steps in to override the security settings, elevates the process and then tries to kill it. Now, it's not meant to elevate the process but as all non elevated/userspace threads (there are a certain number of threads always made available to certain specific system aspects and are thus elevated by design) are busy/tied up in a thread clash those in elevated space are the only ones available and thus you get a case of one or more of those browser tab exes being given system rights....I don't think I need to explain the rest do I? Suffice to say it's bad.
Html5 support? I think you mean codec support. Html5 is a lot more than just video and while Chrome seems to have the codec licensing down (sorta, it's actually still in debate as I'm sure you know) while Firefox's isn't quite settled (yes they want to use a totally open source solution and others don't) the idea that they're the best in terms of Html5 is patently silly because the benchmarks are all over the shop; sometimes Chrome is faster, sometimes IE is faster and sometimes, even Firefox is faster. It depends very much on the source materials, the way the video was encoded and the way the page elements have been scripted together. As a programmer/technician (lolololol) you should know that. Do you know that?
Per user base? Did you just try and tell me that Chrome has a better or a larger user base? Really. Really? Browsers are apps. Apps. They can and often do coexist. Lies, damned lies and statistics. See above.
I dunno, I read your post and all I really get is that you've been burnt by Firefox crashing youtube puppy videos (I don't know what the content was but I'm will to assume it's something cute and fluffy over whateveritis you could be into) and so you go off on some rant filled with poor assertions, arse pulled statistics and silly assumptions to basically complain that Firefox crashed on you. Everything crashes at some point. So what? We're talking about browser capabilities, specifically Noscript vs ScriptNo and in that war Noscript has the edge because Firefox opens more of itself to scripting than Chrome ever will. Simple and to the point. I'm sorry your porn vids crashed Firefox.
Well at least you admit it happens and can maybe see my frustration with it happening more in my environment.
Whoa calm down man you don't even know me neither do I about you for that matter. I'm one of those who consider granular used to describe filtering in firefox or anything in the IT world etc. abuse of the word which is common practice in the english language. Not everyone uses it as a definition for these types of filtering like me who opposes it, its abuse of the word. "binary chop or bayesian filter" common knowledge, what I call true definitions and not abuse of the words or their original purpose as a definitionm, they mean just that. You could say the word granular has evolved, I see it as stepping backwards instead of forwards and shitting on it. ex. poop, I call it shit. pooped to me means tired or a ship deck, I don't acknowledge the slang just as I consider granular slang type misuse of it's original definition even though it isn't slang. I use fucked up instead of screwed up. Hope that part made sense sorry I'm tired long weekend.
It's open source, you can change anything you want. And saying never offer is an understatement considering how long chrome/chromium has been around compared to mozilla; things evolve and look at all the different forms of browsers based off of mozilla and firefox completely modified. I use custom builds of my own and I remove a lot of the junk code chrome has especially which deals with the handling of their ad services, search, gmail etc. There is a lot of code under the hood which is executed when you use certain services with their browser yes that's a known fact they don't hide it. Remember google didn't bow down and suck the governments cock when they requested info on users of their services, yahoo sure bent over quick, on another quick note like cookies etc have a purpose but can be exploited and abused.
I used to do the same with mozilla and then firefox with custom apps I developed as the internal browser, but chrome/chromium swept me away and I've been more relaxed with their coding standards and what not let alone the difference in speed and stability of applications I integrate it into. I will say I prefer using modified embedded firefox than IE's/no modify WYSIWYG any day.
As well a separate process for each extension, not made up or even to sound clever, it's a fact. DoS etc. attacks is another of the many reasons why we have software/hardware firewalls or safeguards in the os itself which we know windows in general is full of vulnerabilities, not the apps fault. Linux handles it well you're right, but I prefer FreeBSD since it's more ahead in my opinion since it's an os which is security focused unlike linux distros which are eye candy or unneeded feature focused to compete in the os killing fields. And the true security threat to any os's security is the people on the inside. Ubuntu is the only distro I have respect for, prior to that I was a slackware ditro guy.
These are old issues I feel, DoS attacks are so yesterday, there are far worse things to be worried about. You're right on the money about how vulnerable windows/Mac systems are, Linux/BSD are a fort knox in comparison to not allow such bad practices/standards. Problem is that the development decisions of the browser/os or any app for that matter decide it's fate. Let alone how mature you or your developer base is. There are great apps out there with ugly code and all but if isn't broke then don't fix it mentality some say wins unfortunately. Suffice to say you're right, one of the many mistakes we make, not thinking ahead security wise just the money it makes or it gets to big for its breeches.
I'm not talking about codec/video support nor speed, but standards support and larger use of the html5 language base. True, performance results vary between different browsers, it can be scary at times when IE outperforms the top dogs. To think that IE is even in the list with other top browsers let alone recognized.
Lies....ok, weblogs/stats speak for themselves. Things do coexist yes, but all things get superseded/evolve over time.
If you read my post, I said debugging in firefox sucks, in turn debugging flash/php etc. comes into play. I haven't stopped using firefox it's just not my main browser anymore for obvious reasons I've pointed out.
I don't need porn, that's what my wife is for, you don't need to get personal man, that's uncalled for on your part. We are talking about more than just noscript/scriptno/firefox/flash and what not now not needed at all and makes it hard for me to continue a conversation/debate with you but hey it's cool I'm enjoying it.
I'm glad to be at least talking to someone who is intelligent and of different views minus the insults, and the fact that we see facts or what not differently is what makes us human, everything in this world is heads or tails. Your response at the end of your last post that I responded to before through me off, so I apologize if I came off as being harsh with the granular response but I kept my cool at least without personal attacks. In the end, yes you got a little personal with the attacks but we can get along no matter what are differences in opinions/facts since I'm a passive humanist.
I've been following GiantBomb since the beginning but just now got a premium and decided to take part in the community. I see you've got lots of posts so you are a part of this big community and I don't want us to be enemies cause of differences in opinion or what not. Debates are healthy as long as they don't get personal.
Peace
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