When will this Reboot era finaly end? (New Star Trek Series Teaser)

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So this morning I noticed the new Star Trek Series Teaser was released.

I'm a huge Star Trek fan, mainly TNG and DS9. I've probably watched each series 4 times at least. I hated the Star Trek movie reboots for really missing the point of what Star Trek had become in the 90's. But I don't want this reboot either, although It seems I'm in the minority. People are constantly craving reboots after reboots, stating all their wishes about characters, timelines, cameo's. Why do we consistently insist on reliving our fond memories of these franchises? Can we stop latching on to the smallest of crumbs in order to relive out "favorite" memories?

Leave these franchises in their respective era's, let them be part of that era's culture. Come up with new ideas, make a new sci-fi series for this generation, stop your nostalgia fetishism.

The real turning point for me was with the Star Wars Reboot, and X-files Reboot in 2015. Watching those stories, really made me realize that those franchises were finished a long time ago. And anything that followed was nothing more than nostalgia porn, trying to tickle the numerous fan favorite g-spots. There really were no more worthwhile stories to tell. Pretending the good old days were the best, nothing could ever surpass this franchise or that franchise.

Although Film as a medium is the worst offender. Game's are probably second, while books I would say are dead last. People don't ask for someone to reboot books (well maybe excluding the rabid Harry Potter cultists, or post-series preludes), you just appreciate the story for what is was, and once in a while come back to enjoy it in the exact same state.

If you grew up with Star Trek or Star Wars, don't try to relive your childhood. Use those past experiences to appreciate or create the next sci-fi/fantasy series to come. I say this knowing full well that we face a new Star Wars movie every year, a third Star Trek movie, a Ghostbusters reboot and the end of the current Marvel Movie Universe followed by it's inevitable reboot.

In terms of the Star Trek Series Reboot, It will most likely miss the point just like the latest movies.

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What have you seen that indicates this is a reboot? It says "New crew" right in the trailer, doesn't it?

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#3  Edited By Sterling

I'll gladly watch more new Star Trek.

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@veektarius: A reboot can be a number of kinds of things. This new series absolutely qualifies as a reboot of Star Trek on television.

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@frostyryan: so would you class TNG a reboot of Classic TV Trek?

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Who cares about Star Trek?

The real travesty here is the MacGyver remake:

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I mean, that's not even a proper mullet.

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#7  Edited By Strangestories

@veektarius: News sites have been calling it a reboot but I'm not sure if they're using the word correctly.

Im actually excited for a new Star Trek but only if it captures the feeling of TNG and DS9. It can be different and totally still work, I just don't want another Enterprise (even though I enjoyed it for at least being more Star Trek...kinda)

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You act as if it's one or the other: You can only enjoy either new franchises or rebooted ones. Bugger that, I'll take both.

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I feel like doing reboots is, in theory, less risky for networks. And with people continually praising classics and "wanting more" of them I'm not sure if this is something that will end anytime soon.

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It won't end, sadly. Reselling people things from their childhood is always going to work.

We're getting a Jumanji remake. Who on earth wanted that. Seriously. I liked that film fine when I was 10 but haven't really thought about it since.

Still, the new Star Wars and Star Trek films did very well at the box office, so expect those to be milked ad infinitum at this point. I even liked the Force Awakens.

Say what you will about Lucas and the prequels, but at least he didn't make Star Wars non stop. Luckily, there are still interesting and original films being made, it just requires some minor searching. Like Ex Machina or Moon.

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Hopefully the New Crew, is the GB Crew. CBS cross over. Jeff is now a true Captain!

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@sterling said:

Hopefully the New Crew, is the GB Crew. CBS cross over. Jeff is now a true Captain!

I can see Drew Scanlon in Geordi's seat scanning things: "It's Anime sir!" That's my kind of reboot.

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Nostalgia is a component of being human. You will understand better when you get older.

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#14  Edited By davidh219

But...TNG was a "reboot." And Enterprise was incredibly decent. I'm okay with making sure we don't go 15 years without some kind of Star Trek show on TV, because I've yet to see evidence that Star Trek is "done." Of all the scifi shows I've seen, Star Trek is the most consistently culturally relevant one. And idk why you assume it'll be like the movies. Do you remember the old Star Trek movies? Weren't they also all way too action-ey, to the point where Picard was kind of out of character? That's just what happens with movies. TV has a smaller budget that they have to stretch over a longer running time, trust me it's not going to be an action romp explosion fest like the shitty Abrams movies. Your concerns are unfounded based on what we know so far, imo. TV Star Trek has yet to do wrong and I see nothing wrong with keeping the torch going as long as the quality is there.

Also Force Awakens was awesome. Legitimately the most fun I've had at a theater since 3D became a thing.

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#15  Edited By FrostyRyan

@willza92: No, but it could be considered a reboot of Star Trek as a brand on television.

Like I said, a reboot can be a number of different kinds of things. You can reboot a brand in general without describing it as a reboot of something specific within that brand.

Star Trek on TV is getting rebooted. That much is clear. But obviously, this is not a reboot of TNG or DS9 and TNG was not a reboot of classic star trek. You know, Force Awakens is considered by many to be both a sequel and reboot. Hell, it just is.

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1. This Star Trek stuff has been in the making for a while, before the massive surge of the "reboot trend." Moreover, it's Star Trek. It was only a matter of time before a new series was going to happen.

2. I'd rather have reboots and remakes than reality era TV and movies.

3. It'll end the moment that my generation and the one right after it stop complaining about how "lame" any original stuff in the millenial generation is. This same thing happened in the '90s, as well as the 2000s.

4. I'm more sick of the trend of "massive band replaces lead singer with someone else from massive band and does big tour." AC/DC, Aerosmith (rumored), RATM (rumored)... It's a bit ridiculous.

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I don't think a reboot is bad if they're doing completely new stuff. New crew, hero, etc. implies that it's a completely fresh start. That's the best thing they could've done in my opinion.

Now I hope they don't try to make it too blockbustery like the movies. I liked the movies, but the tv show is very different and shouldn't try to be like the movies.

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The X-Files wasnt rebooted it was a direct continuation of the original series. And it was terrible.

We get lots of new sci-fi series all the time the problem is a lot of them are shit. (I actually liked the Defiance tv show so my bar is pretty low) Yes things have gotten out of hand recently and I understand you dont want your good memories tainted by something that is completely different and unlike the show you love but it's not as if recycling old ideas stops new ones from happening.

I do wish the reboots had a different name though (Star Trek Infinity or something) just so when I refer to it people know what i'm talking about and when I say I love Total Recall or Robocop people dont think I meant those other movies. (At least Predators was something different)

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@frostyryan: That is not what reboot means, and even if you can semantically justify using it that way, that is going to confuse people. Rebooting a franchise is retelling pieces of the same story. So the last two Star Trek movies were reboots of the original series. TNG was not a reboot of Star Trek because it existed in the same timeline without alterations (well, the Klingons did get new foreheads), just like DS9 was definitely not a reboot of TNG. The only thing that differentiates TNG from DS9 is the length of time that elapsed between series.

I feel like if we're having an honest conversation about this subject, there's very little merit in an argument that putting another series in the Star Trek universe that has new characters and new stories is creatively bankrupt.

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I asked myself the same thing after I saw the trailer for the Lethal Weapon tv series. I'm fucking done.

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Reboots will stop being a thing when people stop remembering things fondly.

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Apparently they're doing a new ReBoot series (which may or may not be a reboot of ReBoot), so not until that ends at least.

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#23  Edited By ArtisanBreads

I know generally what you are getting at but Star Trek is actually a terrible example because it has been going for years and years in numerous forms just like this.

But I think a lot of it has to do with the plain fact that these mediums have matured some to have things to draw on. People like going back to something they know. I feel similarly to you but I think it's proving to be a formula.

Now maybe over time it will prove to be a fad. Right now I would say I might see that but I think this will be the way of things for a while.

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This is it, forever. Everything's always been recycled, but now nobody bothers to even rename things.

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I'll give this show the benefit of the doubt, if they bring Star Trek forward and make it an exciting show, i'll definitely welcome it.

There should always be a Star Trek on CBS.

#spaceiscoming

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So long as it's not based on the new movies/that timeline, I'd be hyped for anything.

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#28  Edited By MrPlatitude

Its a teaser they put together for the CBS upfronts presentation, nothing has been said about anything about the show, including whether or not it is a reboot. They haven't even said that 'Star Trek' is the title of the show and there is a good chance that it will have some other subtitle.

In fact, most of the rumors point to it not being a reboot. One rumor has said it will take place between STVI and TNG, and other rumors have said it takes place post Nemesis.

Either way, don't jump to conclusions based on just a brief teaser for a show that hasn't even filmed yet. Maybe you'll be surprised!

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Anyone else wonder about the part where it says, "New Crews"

Like is the series going to follow multiple crews? It would be cool to be able "reboot" the series with a new cast of characters every week.

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Recycle, reuse, repurpose. Why start from scratch when most of the work was already completed years ago? It's just kinda what we do.

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The force awakens wasn't a reboot. It had "Episode 7" right there at the very beginning. I did have a largely recycled plot, but that's a discussion for a different time. As for reboots in general, I feel your pain, it can be irritating.

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It's possible to have both, y'know. Reviving classic films, TV shows and games doesn't necessarily close the book on new, original ideas.

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i don't understand any anger around reboots. if you're not intetested in something then just don't engage with it. it's incredibly easy

though i don't classify this as a reboot at all, and it has been too long since Star Trek was on tv

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Yes please. As long as it's good.

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i don't understand any anger around reboots. if you're not intetested in something then just don't engage with it. it's incredibly easy

though i don't classify this as a reboot at all, and it has been too long since Star Trek was on tv

It was about 30 years between TOS and TNG so I guess this is the way of things.

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Reboots are not that big of a deal. If you don't like them, don't watch them, there are plenty original things that you could enjoy instead.

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Most people hate new things. They want stuff they've seen before and are comfortable with so they can chew popcorn and look at the pretty colors. When you tell them there's a new movie about those turtles they liked when they were kids, they start lining up and they bring their offspring with them so they can be subjected to the same shit they had when they were children.

The problem is that the film industry is scared of taking risks. New ideas are dangerous from a money making standpoint. You have to sell this brand new thing that nobody knows about to a bunch of people who have no interest in new things. That's hard to pull off. It's much easier to sell people something they're already aware of. They will show up simply to see the thing that they recognize and may have nostalgia for. In general I think it has more to do with recognizable names making for easier marketing than nostalgia, but that's just my take. A lot of people that aren't nostalgic for Star Trek went and saw those Star Trek movies because it's a name they recognize. That gets attention.

Were in a position where the film industry is just scouring for whatever existing IP they can scoop up in the hopes of making some easy money. It's worked many times before, so might as well keep doing it. It's way less risky in their eyes since they have the data and box office numbers to back up their decision. They're in the business of making money, not making art. There's a lot of new stuff out there too, just have to look a bit harder for it.

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All I can say is the 21 Jump Street movies were very funny.

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I know you're bummed about the TV show but man I'm stoked.

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@veektarius:Your avatar just gave me an idea for this new series. Have the intro narrated by Tim Curry.

SSSSHPAAAAYAACE! THE FINAL FRONTIER!

@lawgamer: Well that's my day ruined.

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I'm not quite sure you understand what the term reboot means.

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@damodar: Hahaha, well played. Exactly the line I screenshotted.

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Sequel. The word OP is looking for is sequel.