Why 2 planes DIDNT hit the World Trade Center on 9/11

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I was just searching around when i came across this rather interesting article. Ive heard of all the myths regarding 9/11, i mean ALL of them, but ive never heard someone claim that news channels used 'tv-fakery' to stage what appeared to be planes hitting the towers. Read below.  Sourced from: LINK

Due to bad experiences in the past regarding my threads i would like to say that the following in no way represents my ideas nor do i support, condone or have bias opinion on the following, have a read and tell me what you think:

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Why They Didn't Use Planes To Hit The WTC

(Updated: 08/21/08)

For those who ask:

"Why would the government fake crashing planes into the WTC towers and thereby also having to fake all the crash videos when it would be much easier for them to crash real planes into them?"


(Video: Hezarkhani)



Here is why they didn't use real planes to crash into the WTC and used TV fakery instead:



GUARANTEED PENETRATION


Why do most of Americans still think planes brought down the Twin Towers? Because to them, the official story of why the Towers collapsed was believable. Large aircraftloaded with lots of fuel crashed into the Towers at high speeds and penetrated inside before exploding thereby causing extensive internal damage. Then the resulting fire weakened the steel causing the top sections to collapse down thereby pulverizing the rest of the buildings. Then debris from the falling North Tower pelted the WTC 7 causing massive structural damage and causing it to catch fire and eventually collapse.


A Boeing 767 allegedly crashing and causing this massive explosion in the South Tower.

North Tower collapsing partially on the WTC 7.
Most people who believe 9/11 was an inside job probably believe that the WTC 1, 2, and 7 were pulled (i.e. brought down by some kind of controlled demolition method) and therefore should also agree that the collapse of all three of these buildings was arguably the most important goal of the perps that day.

All seven buildings of the WTC lie in ruins.

For 9/11 conspiracists who believe planes hit the towers, I would say that almost all of them believe these planes were flown by some kind of remote control or on-board computer guidance system and they either believe it was Flight 175 with all the passengers that was electronically hijacked similar to the Lone Gunmen 'Pilot' episode, or it was some kind of empty Boeing 767 drone painted in United Airlines colors.

So if crashing large aircraft loaded with fuel into the WTC was enough to make most people believe that planes crashing and fire caused the Twin Towers to collapse, what logic is there to argue no planes crashed there? It's quite simple actually.

Look at some of the WTC crash videos. Observe not just that we see a plane crashing into the Twin Towers, but how these planes crashed into the towers:

Flight 11 supposedly crashing and penetrating all the way into the North Tower before exploding.

Flight 175 supposedly crashing and penetrating all the way into the South Tower before exploding. (Top video: Naudet Brothers. Middle: Evan Fairbanks. Bottom: Jennifer Spell. See all WTC crash videos here.)


The videos show that these planes that hit the towers supposedly at 470mph (Flight 11/North Tower) and 590mph (Flight 175/South Tower) penetrated all the way into the buildings which gave the perception that these planes were able to cause enough internal damage to cause both towers to collapse because the videos showed the world that these planes had penetratedall the way into the buildings before their fuel tanks exploded.

With the following questions, you'll understand why the perps could not have used real planes to make the official collapse theory believable:

  • What if any of the planes missed hitting the towers? Do you think the perps would have pulled both towers? What if the plane aiming for the North Tower missed, you think the perps would still have pulled the WTC 7?
  • What if the planes hit, but they mostly blew up on the outside? Would most reasonable people believe that planes mostly blowing up on the outside would be able to cause the towers to collapse? Just think of how many people at first questioned how the towers could have collapsed even though they saw the planes in the videos crash and penetrate all the way into the buildings. Imagine if the planes didn't penetrate enough of the way through? As one person accurately puts it, it is this penetration that the official story rests on and the perps had to use a method that would guarantee penetration into the towers.

  • What if the perps used two drone 767's and any of them missed their targets or didn't completely penetrate all the way through the towers and pieces of it landed outside on the ground thereby exposing it as a drone? Game over for the perps.

  • How could the perps be absolutely certain that Boeing 767's would not miss their targets and that their relatively delicate fuel tanks in the wings would be able to fully penetrate the steel facades and concrete encased floor slabs before exploding? Do you think the perps would trust that 767's would be able to penetrate through two buildings without doing a real world test run to see if they would be able to penetrate? Or do you think the perps actually built replicas of portions of the Twin Towers' facade and crashed 767's into them to see if they would actual penetrate inside before blowing up?

Only using computer generated images (CGI) of planes instead of real planes would guarantee penetration into the Twin Towers and since this operation would be done on a computer, the perps could rehearse their plan over and over and over again and the CGI plane would always penetrate through the WTC because you can make pixels do anything.


CGI planes "melting" into the WTC.


However, imagine the cost, time, complexity, and secrecy the perps would had to undertake from simulating real planes flown via remote control crashing into some kind of "WTC replica" over and over again until they could guarantee the planes would penetrate (if they ever could).




Airing fake scenarios on TV is known as "TV fakery" (a term that has been used back since at least 1998). The concept of simulating a fake attack on computer and broadcasting it to the world is nothing new. The military had talked about using TV fakerywell before 9/11:

INFORMATION WARFARE
Prof George J. Stein, AWC
Airpower Journal - Spring 1995

Let us take just one example of how current technologies could be used for strategic-level information warfare. If, say, the capabilities of already well-known Hollywood technologies to simulate reality were added to our arsenal, a genuinely revolutionary new form of warfare would become possible. Today, the techniques of combining live actors with computer-generated video graphics can easily create a "virtual" news conference, summit meeting, or perhaps even a battle that would exist in "effect" though not in physical fact. Stored video images can be recombined or "morphed" endlessly to produce any effect chosen. This moves well beyond traditional military deception, and now, perhaps, "pictures" will be worth a thousand tanks.


Digitally altering live TV events
has been possible since at least 1998.



A winner of multiple Emmy Awards for technical achievement, the Virtual Yellow 1st and Ten Line makes use of Sportvision’s patented video overlay technology to create the illusion that a yellow first-down line is painted on the field, allowing players to cross over and stand on it. Invented by Sportvision and first introduced in 1998, 1st and Ten allows viewers to see the necessary distance for a first down as plays progress... - sportvision.com



The media has been informing us that the technical capabilities of using TV fakery in live broadcasts exist and have been warning the public about its use before 9/11:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing

By William M. Arkin
Special to washingtonpost.com
Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

A Box of Chocolates is Like War

Most Americans were introduced to the tricks of the digital age in the movie Forrest Gump [1994], when the character played by Tom Hanks appeared to shake hands with President Kennedy.

For Hollywood, it is special effects. For covert operators in the U.S. military and intelligence agencies, it is a weapon of the future.
When TV brings you the news as it didn't happen

Broadcasters are using virtual imaging technology to alter live broadcasts - and not even the news is safe from tampering

Monday, 24 January 2000
independent.co.uk

Viewers tuning into American broadcaster CBS's recent news coverage of the millennium celebrations in New York witnessed a televisual sleight of hand which enabled CBS to alter the reality of what they saw. Using "virtual imaging" technology, the broadcaster seamlessly adjusted live video images to include an apparently real promotion for itself in Times Square. The move has sparked debate about the ethics of using advances in broadcast technology to alter reality without telling viewers that what they are seeing isn't really there.

The technology to do this comes from the defence industry where, following the end of the Cold War, a number of companies have developed new ways of commercially exploiting their military navigation and tracking expertise.

None of the companies will publicly discuss how their's works. But the principle is common: each alters the live video image in the split second before it is broadcast.
Lying With Pixels

July/August 2000 (Updated)

Seeing is no longer believing. The image you see on the evening news could well be a fake—a fabrication of fast new video-manipulation technology.

By Ivan Amato
technologyreview.com

In the fraction of a second between video frames, any person or object moving in the foreground can be edited out, and objects that aren’t there can be edited in and made to look real.
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Compared to PVI’s job, the military’s technical task was more difficult—and the stakes were much higher... the TIGER team manipulated a live video feed from a Predator, an unmanned reconnaissance craft flying some 450 meters above Kosovo battlefields... the task was to overlay, in real time, “georegistered” images of Kosovo onto the corresponding scenes streaming in live from the Predator’s video camera. The terrain images had been previously captured with aerial photography and digitally stored.
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It is perfectly possible now to insert sets of pixels into satellite imagery data that interpreters would view as battalions of tanks, or war planes, or burial sites, or lines of refugees, or dead cows that activists claim are victims of a biotech accident.
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There’s a big difference now, says Haseltine: “What used to take an hour [per video frame], now can be done in a sixtieth of a second.” This dramatic speed-up means that manipulation can be done in real time, on the fly, as a camera records or broadcasts.
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The combination of real-time virtual insertion, cyber-puppeteering, video rewriting and other video manipulation technologies with a mass-media infrastructure that instantly delivers news video worldwide has some analysts worried.

“I’m amazed that we have not seen phony video,” he says, before backpedaling a bit: “Maybe we have. Who would know?”

It’s just the sort of scenario played out in the 1998 movie Wag the Dog, in which top presidential aides conspire with a Hollywood producer to televise a virtually crafted war between the United States and Albania to deflect attention from a budding Presidential scandal. Haseltine and others wonder when reality will imitate art imitating reality.
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Combine the potential erosion of faith in video authenticity with the so-called "CNN effect" and the stage is set for deception to move the world in new ways. Livingston describes the CNN effect as the ability of mass media to go beyond merely reporting what is happening to actually influencing decision-makers as they consider military, international assistance and other national and international issues. "The CNN effect is real," says James Currie, professor of political science at the National Defense University at Fort McNair in Washington. "Every office you go into at the Pentagon has CNN on." And that means, he says, that a government, terrorist or advocacy group could set geopolitical events in motion on the strength of a few hours' worth of credibility achieved bydistributing a snippet of well-doctored video.

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With experience as an army reservist, as a staffer with a top-secret clearance on the Senate’s Intelligence Committee, and as a legislative liaison for the Secretary of the Army, Currie has seen governmental decision-making and politicking up close. He is convinced that real-time video manipulation will be, or already is, in the hands of the military and intelligence communities.

Now we know that the military has talked about using TV fakery for psyop operations and that the technology to insert digital images into "live" TV broadcasts existed before 9/11. All the military had to do on 9/11 was control the TV airwaves and air a couple of videos showing an image of a plane looking like it crashed into the South Tower and if you need to control the media, what better way to do that than have your own people on the inside before 9/11:

Army 'psyops' at CNN
News giant employed military 'psychological operations' personnel

Posted: March 03, 2000

By Geoff Metcalf
worldnetdaily.com

CNN employed active duty U.S. Army psychological operations personnel last year, WorldNetDaily has confirmed through several sources at Fort Bragg and elsewhere.

Maj. Thomas Collins, U.S. Information Service has confirmed that "psyops" (psychological operations) personnel, soldiers and officers, have worked in the CNN headquarters in Atlanta. The lend/lease exercise was part of an Army program called "Training With Industry." According to Collins, the soldiers and officers, "... worked as regular employees of CNN. Conceivably, they would have worked on stories during the Kosovo war. They helped in the production of news."
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The CNN military personnel were members of the Airmobile Fourth Psychological Operations Group, stationed at Fort Bragg, North Carolina. One of the main tasks of this group of almost 1200 soldiers and officers is to spread 'selected information.' Critics say that means dissemination of propaganda.


On 9/11, the military took control of what would be shown on the major TV stations (ABC, BBC, CBS, CNN, FOX and MSNBC) and blacked out all the local NYC TV stations. Even though at least five national TV stations would be airing "live" footage, the military only aired footage showing a plane flying into the South Tower on three stations (ABC, CBS, and MSNBC) and only showed a total of four different clips showing a plane (the CBS footage showed two different clips of a plane).






CNN just used part of the ABC feed.


The BBC used all of the ABC feed.


For FOX, the military didn't air any "live" footage showing a plane.


This might have been because they were going to air this footage showing a plane crashing into the South Tower from the side, but they screwed up and the CGI plane went to far which showed the its "nose" exiting the other side of the building and the perps couldn't flip the switch fast enough to cut off the feed.



An analysis by Simon Shack shows that the object seen exiting the South Tower is the same shape as the nose of the "plane" about to hit the building:




If you notice on all of the four "live" clips (and even the fifth screw-up clip), none of these shots show the plane crashing into the side of the South Tower where the "crash" actually happened. They military simply aired views of the WTC which would show the plane disappearing behind the towers. The first videos showing a plane crashing into the "crash" side of the South Tower didn't air until much later.



For the conspiracists who believe 767's hit the WTC, some even seem to agree that 767's could not have penetrated the Twin Towers and were baffled from what they saw on the videos (emphasis mine):
Then last on the list for the odyssey of Flight 175 is its peculiar entrance, and exit out of the world trade center. How does a plane which is 16 feet, 9 inches in diameter, made out of thin aluminum, tear through not just one set of tubular steel spandrel beams, spaced 39 inches apart, but two of them? Yet there is more. The floors of the WTC, are less than 12.5 feet between floor and ceiling. Which means this plane ripped through a minimum of TWO FLOORS of 209 feet of concrete, 4 inches thick, (with a 22 guage steel pan) and the planes cockpit and fuselage remained intact all the way back to the wing root, and made it clear through the building? Remarkable to say the least. Physically impossible to say the most.

To resolve their bewilderment, they had to created some elaborate theories of how these 767's could have fully and freely penetrated the tower's facades such as suggesting that the perps used thermite/explosives placed at the exact entry points the planes would hit to weaken the facade enough to allow to allow the planes to freely penetrate, saying that the perps used special 767 drones that fired a missile from its “pod” underneath it a fraction of a second before it hit to help the planes enter the facades, and some even suggest that these drones were specially made to cut through steel by being fortified with special materials, such as being lined with Depleted Uranium, or even, get this, fitted with explosive charges to help open the walls of the Towers.

Anthony Lawson, the 10% truther, thinks that the planes that allegedly penetrated through the Twin Towers could have been specially lined with Depleted Uranium and fitted with explosive charges.


Also, if the perps chose to use real planes, then only using the real Flight's 11 and 175 with all the alleged passengers on board would prevent the perps from being caught if one or both of the planes missed their targets, or didn't fully penetrate all the way into the building. However, they would still run the risk of not being able to pull the Twin Towers and WTC 7 if any of the two planes didn't crash the exact way they needed them to crash (i.e. penetrate all the way through so they blow up in the insides of both buildings) and that is something the perps could not afford to chance since collapsing the WTC 1, 2, and 7 was arguably the cornerstones of their diabolical plan.

Lastly, for conspiracists who believe the WTC was brought down with traditional explosives (i.e. bombs/thermite), do you really think crashing large planes loaded with fuel into two of some of the tallest buildings in the world you've just rigged with explosives for a controlled demolition would be a good idea? How would you know that crashing large planes into them wouldn't prematurely explode any of the critically placed bombs that might jeopardize the way you wanted the towers to fall or worse, might even prevent the towers from collapsing at all? Do you really think the perps wanted the towers to fall over like trees into the neighboring non-WTC skyscrapers? What if crashing a real plane into the North Tower caused it to collapse away from the WTC 7? Still think the perps would have pulled the 7?

Using real planes to crash into the towers and make it look believable that the planes crashed in such a way to cause enough internal damage to collapse the mighty Twin Towers and then shower debris onto the WTC 7 to give them an excuse as to why that huge skyscraper collapsed would be way too risky (if not impossible) and that's why they didn't use real planes to hit the WTC. On the other hand, if the perps simply made people on the ground and who were watching TV think that planes hit and penetrated into the Twin Towers, then they eliminated the risk of having to crash real planes into them.


Pulling off 9/11 has given the NeoCons/PNAC (or who ever you want to call the "powers that be") their ticket to continue the build-up of the military and create their never ending war on terrorism so they could invade the Middle-East (Afghanistan and Iraq) to further their quest for global domination by controlling the population and earth's vast resources. Using real planes left too much to chance. A missed target, or failed penetration would ruin all that 9/11 has given the perps. They had to use the least-risky viable option that would not only guarantee hitting their targets, but would also guarantee penetration into the buildings and that was TV fakery.
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#2  Edited By BiffMcBlumpkin

A conspiracy?!? This post is REALLY out of character for you.

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#3  Edited By serbsta
BiffMcBlumpkin said:
"A conspiracy?!? This post is REALLY out of character for you."
Thanks, your opinions always mean a lot to me.
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#4  Edited By BiffMcBlumpkin

I could put the amount of time you took creating this thread into forming a long-winded, sensible post pointing out the obvious in many words (how ridiculous it is) but I'll save my time.

I will say this though. I know you like to think of yourself as a skeptic. You are by definition the polar opposite of a skeptic. A skeptic takes all information into account, even when it goes against the accepted, mainstream school of thought (as skepticism involves much of the time,) and uses it to arrive at a sensible conclusion. You automatically exclude any information that doesn't fit into your absurd conspiracy theories, even when such evidence greatly overwhelms and out-values your own  - and much of yours is baseless and fabricated. Simply going against the mainstream school of thought simply for the sake of going against the mainstream school of thought doesn't make you any wiser or more knowledgeable than the general population - it makes you more desperate to be "special." A skeptic isn't a skeptic without healthy doubt, that's a fool - you're just choosing to blindly believe the least popular scenario (even when it has the least amount of credible evidence to support it.) To believe you're privy to some brand of "inside" information the general population is too blind and stupid to recognize and understand. You are doing the exact same thing those that refuse to acknowledge the existence of any conspiracy at any time do... unfortunately for you when legitimate conspiracies do occur they are too unexciting and uneventful to recognize the vast majority of the time, so you invent "better" ones. Unlike a skeptic you are absolutely CERTAIN these absurd conspiracies happened.

This isn't an episode of the X-Files, not every notable event is masterminded by elderly diabolical men in the confines of a smoke-filled room. You "Want to believe." Well, I want to believe in Santa Clause. The difference here is I'm not going to believe in Santa Clause simply because I prefer the fantasy, the fact that presents are under the tree every Christmas is fine evidence of his existence..... if enormous amounts of contradictory evidence is ignored. 

It's just your fantasy, and you'll never acknowledge it.

With that, I'm going to bed.

On second thought you're right. The planes that hit the WTC Towers were CG masterpieces. Completely fucking reasonable.

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#5  Edited By TheGreatGuero

Yeah, after the first plane hit... all the civilians watching nearby just imagined that they saw a second plane crash into the other tower. The U.S. totally blew up the World Trade Center themselves, killing thousands of innocent Americans, all as an excuse for the war on terror so they can continue their pursuit of global domination and put a Starbucks and McDonald's on every street corner throughout the world... Seriously, who comes up with this crap?

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#6  Edited By Shawn

Good job dude o_O

No seriously, do you want a cookie or something?

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#7  Edited By serbsta

Wow, i suppose me even bolding and fucking highlighting the fact that i dont believe or support any of this doesnt really get through to some people. Instead of criticizing me on just simply asking what people think of this you automatically assume in an idiot for believeing in absurd things, i think you should just read what i wrote in the opening fucking paragraph. Jesus... i dont think there is any way of posting anything conspiracy related without everyone jumping on your throat...

Biff you say im trying to be special. I honestly dont get what youre talking about, i did not once say these are the facts and your blind for not believeing, did i now...

the following
in no way represents my ideas nor do i support, condone or have bias opinion on the following

For fucks sake, i just wanted to see what people thought of it.


Excuse the underline etc, editing problems.

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#8  Edited By BiffMcBlumpkin

Oh of COURSE you don't believe

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#9  Edited By guiseppe

Interesting theory.

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#10  Edited By Justaddwater

Ill read this properly later, but ive always thought it was more likely that some dudes hijacked a few planes and flew them into a building than the american government planning the whole thing.

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#11  Edited By serbsta
BiffMcBlumpkin said:
"Oh of COURSE you don't believe any of these wacky conspiracies, you're just constantly posing them.

Ah, the perpetual devil's advocate. What a tough gig. No bias at all, obviously.
Clearly."
You think if im posting them that i have to believe them? At no point in your time here have you considered that there are people in the world who are genuinely interested in something like conspiracy theories which you might not be into... get over yourself man, seriously and get off my back on every thread i post.
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#12  Edited By EndlessMike

Oh fuck, I cant believe you've done this.

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#13  Edited By serbsta
EndlessMike said:
"Oh fuck, I cant believe you've done this.

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Lol, me?
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#14  Edited By EndlessMike

Yeah this shit is ridiculous and old and you know it.

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#15  Edited By serbsta
EndlessMike said:
"Yeah this shit is ridiculous and old and you know it."
Ridiculous? Most likely. Old? I dont know how old this is...
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#16  Edited By TheGreatGuero

I have a feeling this thread is certainly on its way to being closed...
Like serbsta said, this conspiracy in no way reflects his ideas, he just wanted to expose this supposed conspiracy theory to others to see what they thought, so ease up on the guy.

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#17  Edited By Black_Raven

Some of you guys need to calm down, TCs just sharing the idea, not trying to pass it as fact, i very much doubt its real but I still think its interesting.  I remember the day it happened i thought to myself how amazing it was that both towers not only collapsed but fell straight down.

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#18  Edited By trulyalive

Why can't people just let this go. It was a fucking tragedy and more to the point, a well known terrorist organisation admitted it. We're no closer to finding Bin Laden the Bastard than we were 7 years ago and the dead have been honoured 7 years now.
I'm not saying forget 9/11, just leave the absurd conspiracy theories regarding it alone.
I recognise that you don't believe it, but spreading the word of these theories really just boosts the ego's of the insensitive jerks who write them.

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#19  Edited By Daeica

Good read. Looks like you invested alot of time and energy into this thread, and you shouldn't be discouraged by the overactions of some.

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#20  Edited By Emilio

I love this kind of stuff.

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#21  Edited By twenty0ne

Oh, so the thousands of bystanders who saw the planes hit the towers all started hallucinating at the same time?

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#22  Edited By Jayge_
twenty0ne said:
"Oh, so the thousands of bystanders who saw the planes hit the towers all started hallucinating at the same time?"
Thank you.
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#23  Edited By KindGalaxy
serbsta said:
"EndlessMike said:
"Yeah this shit is ridiculous and old and you know it."
Ridiculous? Most likely. Old? I dont know how old this is..."
David Icke came out with a book in 2002 dealing with pretty much all this information, 2002 was 6 years ago; old information is anything from yesterday and earlier, 6 years is in that category, therefore; this is old.
He wasn't the only conspiracy writer to come out with these, Alex Jones was releasing papers on it just days after it occured, Rense had hundreds of pages on how the planes never penetrated the towers, how it was internal explosions. For your next thread I suggest reading up on some theories that say the planes were remote controlled, no one was even on these planes.
Personally I'm not a believer in any of these theories,
  • Just like I don't believe in an alien race secretly holding power in the Presidency, the Royal Family in England, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (according to most these aliens are Prison Warders from the Draco constellation called Annunaki, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Harold Wilson are all Annunaki).
  • Freemasons secretly manipulating the rest of humanity for their own ends
  • The Protocols of Zion
  • December 21st 2012 being the end date of the Mayan calender and therefore the end of the world or at least a great transition for the Earth
  • Flouride being 99% alluminium and that's why toothpastes say 'Active Ingredient: 0.22% W/W Sodium Flouride'
  • Don't believe the Holocaust was a hoax
  • Don't believe that the Oklahoma City Bombing was financed and organised by a secret global elite.
  • That the pyramid and the all seeing eye on the US One Dollar Bill is proof of a secret global government, the New World Order, novus ordo seclorum as it appears on the Great Seal of the United States.
  • Ordo Templi Orientis secretly control the West.
  • The Bilderberg Group's annual meetings are actually organised to discuss the coming year's glass prison and global control plans for the world.

These are things I don't believe, but don't really mind if other people believe them, continue on your way brave adventurer.
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#26  Edited By gamingbloke

This is a gaming website and discussing about conspiracy theories in a video game  forum is incredibly pointless, if you are going to discuss about them do it at another forum.

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#27  Edited By coakroach

The towers exploded because chuck norris was wanking in the basement
There were no survivors

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#28  Edited By KindGalaxy
gamingbloke said:
"This is a gaming website and discussing about conspiracy theories in a video game  forum is incredibly pointless, if you are going to discuss about them do it at another forum."
Correction: This is a gaming message board on a gaming website, this gaming message board has an off topic section, this is an off topic discussion, whilst I don't agree with the original poster I do agree with this right to post it in said off topic section of said gaming website in said gaming message board.
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#29  Edited By crunchUK

um holy wtfomgwowbbq?

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#30  Edited By atejas
KindGalaxy said:
"gamingbloke said:
"This is a gaming website and discussing about conspiracy theories in a video game  forum is incredibly pointless, if you are going to discuss about them do it at another forum."
Correction: This is a gaming message board on a gaming website, this gaming message board has an off topic section, this is an off topic discussion, whilst I don't agree with the original poster I do agree with this right to post it in said off topic section of said gaming website in said gaming message board."
Voice of reason. I'm tired of people saying that offtopic isnt 'the place' for this sort of thing. It's OFFtopic.
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#32  Edited By BiffMcBlumpkin
serbsta said:
"get over yourself man, seriously and get off my back on every thread i post."

Hahah, what the fuck are you talking about? I think this is the first one of your cooky conspiracy threads I've posted in, I usually just look at them for 2 seconds, laugh, and back out.
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#34  Edited By citizenkane

People still believe in the 9/11 conspiracies?

What am I saying?  Of course there will always be stupid people in the world.

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#35  Edited By Pibo47
KindGalaxy said:
"serbsta said:
"EndlessMike said:
"Yeah this shit is ridiculous and old and you know it."
Ridiculous? Most likely. Old? I dont know how old this is..."
David Icke came out with a book in 2002 dealing with pretty much all this information, 2002 was 6 years ago; old information is anything from yesterday and earlier, 6 years is in that category, therefore; this is old.
He wasn't the only conspiracy writer to come out with these, Alex Jones was releasing papers on it just days after it occured, Rense had hundreds of pages on how the planes never penetrated the towers, how it was internal explosions. For your next thread I suggest reading up on some theories that say the planes were remote controlled, no one was even on these planes.
Personally I'm not a believer in any of these theories,
  • Just like I don't believe in an alien race secretly holding power in the Presidency, the Royal Family in England, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (according to most these aliens are Prison Warders from the Draco constellation called Annunaki, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Harold Wilson are all Annunaki).
  • Freemasons secretly manipulating the rest of humanity for their own ends
  • The Protocols of Zion
  • December 21st 2012 being the end date of the Mayan calender and therefore the end of the world or at least a great transition for the Earth
  • Flouride being 99% alluminium and that's why toothpastes say 'Active Ingredient: 0.22% W/W Sodium Flouride'
  • Don't believe the Holocaust was a hoax
  • Don't believe that the Oklahoma City Bombing was financed and organised by a secret global elite.
  • That the pyramid and the all seeing eye on the US One Dollar Bill is proof of a secret global government, the New World Order, novus ordo seclorum as it appears on the Great Seal of the United States.
  • Ordo Templi Orientis secretly control the West.
  • The Bilderberg Group's annual meetings are actually organised to discuss the coming year's glass prison and global control plans for the world.

These are things I don't believe, but don't really mind if other people believe them, continue on your way brave adventurer.
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Alex Jones is a confirmed lunitic, that man is insane. And many shrinks have said it.
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#36  Edited By SSbabel

Shit mang you put alot of work into this post, a little to much for me to red sorry.

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#37  Edited By tekmojo

*adds TC to list of dumb shits in this world*

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#38  Edited By KindGalaxy
Pibo47 said:
"KindGalaxy said:
"serbsta said:
"EndlessMike said:
"Yeah this shit is ridiculous and old and you know it."
Ridiculous? Most likely. Old? I dont know how old this is..."
David Icke came out with a book in 2002 dealing with pretty much all this information, 2002 was 6 years ago; old information is anything from yesterday and earlier, 6 years is in that category, therefore; this is old.
He wasn't the only conspiracy writer to come out with these, Alex Jones was releasing papers on it just days after it occured, Rense had hundreds of pages on how the planes never penetrated the towers, how it was internal explosions. For your next thread I suggest reading up on some theories that say the planes were remote controlled, no one was even on these planes.
Personally I'm not a believer in any of these theories,
  • Just like I don't believe in an alien race secretly holding power in the Presidency, the Royal Family in England, the Rockefellers and Rothschilds (according to most these aliens are Prison Warders from the Draco constellation called Annunaki, Hillary Clinton, Tony Blair, Harold Wilson are all Annunaki).
  • Freemasons secretly manipulating the rest of humanity for their own ends
  • The Protocols of Zion
  • December 21st 2012 being the end date of the Mayan calender and therefore the end of the world or at least a great transition for the Earth
  • Flouride being 99% alluminium and that's why toothpastes say 'Active Ingredient: 0.22% W/W Sodium Flouride'
  • Don't believe the Holocaust was a hoax
  • Don't believe that the Oklahoma City Bombing was financed and organised by a secret global elite.
  • That the pyramid and the all seeing eye on the US One Dollar Bill is proof of a secret global government, the New World Order, novus ordo seclorum as it appears on the Great Seal of the United States.
  • Ordo Templi Orientis secretly control the West.
  • The Bilderberg Group's annual meetings are actually organised to discuss the coming year's glass prison and global control plans for the world.

These are things I don't believe, but don't really mind if other people believe them, continue on your way brave adventurer.
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Alex Jones is a confirmed lunitic, that man is insane. And many shrinks have said it."
And David Icke came out and said he was the Son of God, Rense's owners have all states they've been abducted by aliens who are in an alliance with the US government, but people still follow them AND Alex Jones's rants.
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#39  Edited By lamiafusion

The fact that you spent time to write this thread just says worlds about you. You just unlocked: Useless Conspiracy Theory Achievement 

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#40  Edited By ZeroCast

Here is something i highly suggest you take a look at, Brotha.

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#41  Edited By John

I lol'd, a little.

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#42  Edited By PhilSebben

so what about all the eye witness accounts. out the door huh.

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#43  Edited By Psynapse

I don't think the OP actually wrote it, its copied off a website...

I dont' think we should harrass him for it, i think its fine to be posted for comment, as he said, he doesn't condone/believe etc... and even if he did beleive in it then who cares?!

You don't have to read his threads, good on you OP, although i think the whole thing is bs... It would be too hard to stage, and the eye witnesses play the biggest part in it... I think people would of gone 'ahmm, what plane', or heard a massive explosion which would of blown windows out... (i cant remember the videos' that much but it seemed more like the top part just collapsed...

Oh well, conspiracy or no conspiracy we can't do anything about it now... 7 years... It kind of reminds me of princess diana's death.. Although both were a great tradgedy, it gets abit much that people keep on bringing these things up and making it massive media events. 

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#44  Edited By Karmum

@insanejedi:

Is that a necessary comment to make?

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#45  Edited By RHCPfan24

Ok, I can't believe I just read that whole thing.  So, what you said is interesting, but what about the passengers that died aboard the two crashed planes?

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#46  Edited By Clean

I can't believe people still think this is a conspiracy. We got attacked. Our security fucked up big time.

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#48  Edited By DARKIDO07

These conspiracy "theories" are stupid.

1) Planes travel at 600 MPH, the hijackers probably ramped that up to around 700 or 750 MPH. (Just think how much damage a car does to a house at 60 MPH )
2) Explosive decompression.
3) Office buildings are full of paper and electrical equipment ready to start a fire.
4) Some of the hijackers had bombs.
5) Massive amounts of jet fuel.

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#49  Edited By SmugDarkLoser



Seriously dude.  There was no tv trickery.  There's tons of on sites accounts, multiple views, etc. to back this up.

I actually believe that you're citing a movie.
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#50  Edited By Claude
have a read and tell me what you think:

I think you have too much time on your hands, but I do like to read fiction.