It's disgusting. I refuse to contribute to the death of the industries this country takes for granted. I won't even download any music that I do not pay for.
I would write more and dedicate more time to this topic, it is an issue I care about; unfortunatly, I am tired as fuck and if I tried to write anymore than I already have ti wil strat 2 luk lik tihs.
Discuss.
Your stance on pirated content? Here is mine...
I used to be big on pirating music, then I realized that half the stuff I downloaded was crap and that I was only downloading it because it was free and that I would rather pay for my music via iTunes and support the artists that I actually like.
"How do you feel about games that are out of print or incredibly old games that can't be found on shelves anymore? How would you go about getting a 10 year old game that you really enjoyed when you were younger.I admit that sometimes I find pirated versions of old, out of print games, but that's the extent. I buy all of my games, movies, and music.
I also buy all my games/music."
i dont really care if you do or dont. also i think musicians can still get rich if they sell out shows, swag, and the like. if im right, they dont really get much out of records. its the record industry who profits from record sales. i personally buy most of my music (especially rarer stuff) but if its just one song by one band that i dont really like, milewire is my provider.
"I uh...think its bad....
...who am I kidding. I download music all of the time, I only do it because I can't buy the albums.
As a whole, pirating in general (like games and movies), if you do it often, you really are hurting the industry."
I'm not making a personal attack on you, but a lot of people think "oh just one more song" or "how much damage could just one person do to this industry?" It adds up, it really does. It is pretty much responsible for the collapse of the music industry and the crappy quality music of today.
What people either don't realize or do not want to admit, is that this industry which they so depend on is being destroyed by their "theft" of an art form. Be it movies, music, or video games. People who pirate are stealing from an industry they love and inadvertantly ruining what they rely on so desperately that they resort to stealing. Irony is a bitch.
how does piracy make music suck?
"It is pretty much responsible for...the crappy quality music of today.
how does piracy make music suck?"
It ruined the record/CD industry. It became harder to convince rock artists to sign and soon crappy musicians were sellouts getting picked up by whatever idiot was desperate enough to hire them. That's how.
"I wish everyone would pirate garbage like Nickelback so Chad Kruger wouldn't make any money tbh."
Very true.
"How do you feel about games that are out of print or incredibly old games that can't be found on shelves anymore? How would you go about getting a 10 year old game that you really enjoyed when you were younger.This is an honest question... Do we call games that cannot be found in stores "Out of Print"? Sounds like books to me. I'm curious to know.
I also buy all my games/music."
"hungrynun said:"How do you feel about games that are out of print or incredibly old games that can't be found on shelves anymore? How would you go about getting a 10 year old game that you really enjoyed when you were younger.This is an honest question... Do we call games that cannot be found in stores "Out of Print"? Sounds like books to me. I'm curious to know."
I also buy all my games/music."
Discontinued?
"hungrynun said:Abandonware."How do you feel about games that are out of print or incredibly old games that can't be found on shelves anymore? How would you go about getting a 10 year old game that you really enjoyed when you were younger.This is an honest question... Do we call games that cannot be found in stores "Out of Print"? Sounds like books to me. I'm curious to know."
I also buy all my games/music."
I hate pirates/pirating for games, but for a different reason.
I can't stand having a game without knowing that I have a full, hard copy of it. I have a finicky collector's mind, so maybe that's why I can't stand pirating games.
"It's disgusting. I refuse to contribute to the death of the industries this country takes for granted. I won't even download any music that I do not pay for.100% like me
I would write more and dedicate more time to this topic, it is an issue I care about; unfortunatly, I am tired as fuck and if I tried to write anymore than I already have ti wil strat 2 luk lik tihs.
Discuss."
"hazelnutman said:DRM?"I hate pirates/pirating for games, but for a different reason.You probably hate DRM too."
I can't stand having a game without knowing that I have a full, hard copy of it. I have a finicky collector's mind, so maybe that's why I can't stand pirating games."
The only justifiable reason to pirate games IMO is if they're no longer otherwise available. If they are, the developers deserve a few bucks. I'd never pirate Braid, for example (if you could).
I actually still buy CDs. Number of reasons.
- Highest quality backup without needing to buy blank disks and burn them.
- Sometimes has bonus DVD (usually not that great, but...).
- Pictures, artwork, correct lyrics.
- Nostalgia.
- Can re-rip CDs in any format I want. So if/when MP3s go out of style...
- Can get them on the cheap (10 bucks or less) if you know where to look.
Relys said:
"All my money goes to the video game industry....
I could care less when I torrent something."

But this aside.
I support piracy because piracy should not be a crime. Well, piracy should be, but breach of intellectual property rights should not count as piracy, because intellectual property rights should not exist.
Say what you want about "the creator deserving to own the stuff he creates", in the words of Psycho, that's bollocks and you know it. REAL piracy is when you hijack a ship or boat. Fake piracy is when you breach copyright.
Lets clarify, shall we? Copyright. Copy Right. The Right to Copy. Essentially, Copyright is a legally enforceable situation wherein people have the knowledge and ability to replicate a pattern of information, but are prevented by law from doing so. Originally, this was not something that existed forever, and it is not a right recognized by the United Nations charter on Human Rights. That's because it's NOT a human right, and it was introduced to promote invention, and the sharing of work with the public, and by extension, the economy. The idea is that if people have a financial incentive to invent and create, they will.
A noble intention, the only problem is you are inventing a system designed to serve the public which finds massive opposition inside of the public. The rates of music piracy are phenomenal. The rates of movie piracy are huge. The rates of game piracy are moderate to large. A law that makes criminals out of more people than it protects is not a good law.
"It's disgusting. I refuse to contribute to the death of the industries this country takes for granted. I won't even download any music that I do not pay for.
I would write more and dedicate more time to this topic, it is an issue I care about; unfortunatly, I am tired as fuck and if I tried to write anymore than I already have ti wil strat 2 luk lik tihs.
Discuss."
I agree with you wholeheartedly, although I'm honestly of the opinion that the music industry, as it is today, deserves to die. I can say that I agree with your stance at the same time, however, because I don't pirate music...I just don't listen to/purchase it anymore. Podcasts like the one that Giant Bomb cranks out provide me with all of the audio entertainment I need, for the most part.
I think it's wrong. Unfortunately the only thing stopping me is my conscious. And sometimes he likes to take the day off.
It's weird how if you do something wrong enough, you start to think it's ok. That's probably why how I got hooked on porn.
"I think it's wrong. Unfortunately the only thing stopping me is my conscious. And sometimes he likes to take the day off.
It's weird how if you do something wrong enough, you start to think it's ok. That's probably why how I got hooked on porn."
Hey, there's nothing wrong with porn. Well, unless you live in a country with legalized prostitution...Then you should really consider the financial wellbeing of your local hookers. ;)
Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost.
What nobody thinks about is that just because someone pirated a game doesn't mean they would have purchased it.
"Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost.Indeed. It's fallacious when the recording industry makes claims like "WE LOST SIX HOJILLION DOLLARS DUE TO PIRACY", because they count every pirated version as a "lost sale". That's BS.
What nobody thinks about is that just because someone pirated a game doesn't mean they would have purchased it."
That'Demilich said:
"Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost.That's a cop out argument.
What nobody thinks about is that just because someone pirated a game doesn't mean they would have purchased it."
Sure, some do it that way. But that's what free demos are for.
The real reason people pirate stuff is "convenient items at a cheaper price."
"That'Demilich said:I didn't even talk about why people pirate. See adam grif's post."Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost.That's a cop out argument.
What nobody thinks about is that just because someone pirated a game doesn't mean they would have purchased it."
Sure, some do it that way. But that's what free demos are for.
The real reason people pirate stuff is "convenient items at a cheaper price."
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"That'Demilich said:Sure, just like the reason IP exists in the first place is to make people rich. Fuck the recording industry, the world would be a better place if people like Fiddy Cent and Britney Spears were poor."Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost.That's a cop out argument.
What nobody thinks about is that just because someone pirated a game doesn't mean they would have purchased it."
Sure, some do it that way. But that's what free demos are for.
The real reason people pirate stuff is "convenient items at a cheaper price."
"
Street Performer Protocol should replace IP. The game's industry might suffer a bit, but I don't give a shit. The rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few.
I have no problem pirating content i can no longer get or would cost me 100s to get, as well i have no problem pirating crap.
"I have no problem pirating content i can no longer get or would cost me 100s to get, as well i have no problem pirating crap."This in some cases. For the most part I don't feel guilt about pirating something like Pokemon or Call of Duty either. They're doing fine without me.
"Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost."
Problem being that you wouldn't purchase it because you've already played it. That's probably the lamest excuse for piracy, and it's the one everyone always spits out..."I do it to try out the game before I buy it!" Nevermind that you never buy it because you've already "tried" it from start to finish.
Sorry, I get really tired of hearing that line of bullshit. :P
As for nothing of value being lost, that really isn't the point. You've gained from someone else's efforts and have given them nothing in return. You may not have purchased the game otherwise, but you did steal from the developer and the publisher by using something that you didn't pay for. On top of that, you've stolen from other gamers by contributing to the progressive crippling of profits from perfectly good games that deserved your money.
"Demilich said:Funny how subtly you called me a liar."Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost."
Problem being that you wouldn't purchase it because you've already played it. That's probably the lamest excuse for piracy, and it's the one everyone always spits out..."I do it to try out the game before I buy it!" Nevermind that you never buy it because you've already "tried" it from start to finish.
Sorry, I get really tired of hearing that line of bullshit. :P
As for nothing of value being lost, that really isn't the point. You've gained from someone else's efforts and have given them nothing in return. You may not have purchased the game otherwise, but you did steal from the developer and the publisher by using something that you didn't pay for. On top of that, you've stolen from other gamers by contributing to the progressive crippling of profits from perfectly good games that deserved your money."
Also...

Honastly, I download music all the time. As a student I dont have a heep of money floating arround and I'm not going to pay $15 AU+ for a 12-15 song album. Anyway, most musicians make their money by doing concerts, not record sales. Also I dont see the point in making me pay for music I can listen to on sites like myspace.
Games on the other hand, I have a different veiw. I do not beleive in pirating games because it is ruining the industy (pc mainly) and alot of hard work goes into these games (good ones that is). I could say the same thing about music/video but I dont think piracy will make those industries dissapear.
for movies and music i say go for it. i mean you get what you pay for and personally I'd prefer to have the disc and case on a DVD or CD so I can show it off but for games I'd say just don't do it unless it's a really old game and there is no other way to get it (i.e. Day of the Tentacle, Full Throttle, System Shock)
"Demilich said:Except it shouldn't be considered theft, because the person doesn't loose anything, they just don't GAIN something."Look at it like this; let's say there's a game I would never purchase, like Mass Effect. Instead I download it, enjoy it thoroughly then decide I want to go out and buy it. And if I don't, nothing of value was lost."
Problem being that you wouldn't purchase it because you've already played it. That's probably the lamest excuse for piracy, and it's the one everyone always spits out..."I do it to try out the game before I buy it!" Nevermind that you never buy it because you've already "tried" it from start to finish.
Sorry, I get really tired of hearing that line of bullshit. :P
As for nothing of value being lost, that really isn't the point. You've gained from someone else's efforts and have given them nothing in return. You may not have purchased the game otherwise, but you did steal from the developer and the publisher by using something that you didn't pay for. On top of that, you've stolen from other gamers by contributing to the progressive crippling of profits from perfectly good games that deserved your money."
You say we gained something and we didn't pay for it. So what? Imagine if I overhear a great joke, then tell it to my friends. Should I be legally obliged to pay money to the person who invented the joke? No I shouldn't. The principle is the same here, even though making a joke didn't take money.
You're saying people should be allowed to OWN IDEAS and PATTERNS. The legal ramifications are obvious - people can and have patented Genomes. Fucking DNA sequences. The key to life. FUCK YOU AND YOUR IP.
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