@theloyaltraitor:It honestly always baffles me when people defend Yosuke as "just poking fun at his friends" or "just like someone I grew up with". On the former, nah, the dude never apologizes when he clearly upsets others, and he also is very visibly uncomfortable with Kanji potentially being gay with zero sense of irony or humor. The latter's definitely a personal thing, but, uh, no, I wouldn't be okay with my friends saying the things he does, nor would I probably hang around him in the first place. It wouldn't be so bad if the game ever developed him out of this through dialogue, or let you chew him out. Also, as pointed about above, it's highly likely that Yosuke was originally gonna be a gay option, so if they fleshed that out instead, then he would've been a super interesting character! But nope, we got a lazy anime archetype instead.
Yeah, with Kanji my problem is definitely the lack of commitment; having him be openly gay or even bisexual would've made his character round out better, because I get that his arc is technically about gender issues and stereotypes, there's no denying that the dude definitely likes men to some extent. Of course going above and beyond would've been making him dateable, but...sigh.
My issue with Naoto is that what they have is good, but they bungled her immensely. Unfortunately some of this does stem from cultural differences and perceptions, but ultimately, her arc is of course also about fighting gender norms. Now look, if Atlus wants to make that the story, awesome, especially in a Japan setting where this stuff hits harder. But they mangled it by shoehorning in a crossdressing aspect that makes this look a whole lot more like a transgender story (which doesn't pan out and even has some pretty bad implications). Now if they wanted to commit to that, that'd also be great! But it's this awful mishmash that leads to no one winning.
Saying "Teddie's often worse" came off a little harsher than I intended, because I do like Teddie more than Yosuke. He has some legit great moments, I just got really sick of his hitting-on-girls shtick. It wasn't funny the first time, and it definitely wasn't funny the billionth, and it gets to a point where he brings up that stuff more than Yosuke does. I've also played like every P4 spin-offs, which more-or-less take away his good traits and emphasize his pervy moments.
Oops, that was a lot more than I intended to write. Sorry to folks just passing by, I just get really passionate about Persona 4's flaws because they take away from a game that does many other things so right.
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